TRA orgs backpedaling on "born in the wrong body"

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It's funny to me because what do they have to fall back on now? If they're no longer saying that being trans isn't about being "born in the wrong body" or having some nebulous innate sense of gender identity then what is it based on? Orgs like Mermaids are now going back on their statements that say girls playing with "boy" toys and boys playing with "girl" toys are signs of transness. Now they say "oh no of course those things don't make someone trans!" when their barbie - g.i. joe scale was common knowledge.

TRAs are so used to gaslighting and saying "we didn't say that/no one is saying that/we never said that" they've now backed themselves into a corner because the receipts of their fuckery are all over the place. Where will they go from here if now all of a sudden they can't base transgenderism on innate gender identity and stereotypes?

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[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I certainly hope this is the beginning of the end. Perhaps not for trans nonsense full stop, but for the worst excesses of these organisations.

You're definitely right that the 'born in the wrong body' narrative is the sand on which the house of trans is built, and if they're backpedalling on this then it shows that the cracks are starting to appear.

[–][deleted] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope so too, that at least the craziest parts will fizzle out with time. It was really amusing to see honestly. Being in the trans cult so long and watching them constantly use this tactic. They'll say something then as soon as they're called out on their bullshit it's "no one is saying that." They did it with gaslighting lesbians into sleeping with trans women - "You're transphobic if you won't try dick (2 secs later) no one is saying you can't have a genital preference." They did it with the biological sex thing - "Cis women are transphobic bringing up their biological functions (2 secs later) no one is denying biological sex, we're just saying gender is different."

But gender identity is the backbone of all things trans. They even threw out the dysphoria requirement and said if you "feel" male or female and gravitate toward a certain set of stereotypes then you are, whether you're dysphoric or not. If they go back on this, which they've started to because people have realized almost no one "feels" male or female, then this house of cards is bound to fall.

[–]greenish 24 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

They're still saying there's an innate sense of gender identity, just that it's based on nebulous "feelings" that can't be named, and a sense of "knowing", and this is all super scientific and neurobiological.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Ugh. Don't they get whiplash from changing their story so much?

[–]buttbuttinator 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I know that British TRAs are doing this (thanks to the UK government officially repudiating the "born in the wrong body" line), but has it spread to the US yet? While their DARVO bullshit pisses me off, I can't help but feel like it spells the end for them when they are forced to claim that they actually don't believe their core tenet and actually that's what their enemies believe.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the USA, the ideology hasn't gotten as much pushback yet. But it seems some leading GITs (gender ideology tyrants) in the US have gotten wind that the tide might be turning and so are jumping on the backpedaling bandwagon and trying to distance themselves from the "born in the wrong body" spiel:

https://www.pflagatl.org/telling-trans-stories-beyond-born-in-the-wrong-body/

This TIM GIT in Canada was objecting to the "born in the wrong body" rhetoric in 2015:

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/07/not-born-in-the-wrong-body/

But meanwhile in the USA, kids are being sent to special summer camps for the express purpose of gettin fed "born into the wrong body" propaganda:

https://youtu.be/N90m5B2jm80

Gender Spectrum, a leader in teaching genderist woo to kids in the USA, recommends on its website that youngsters learn about "gender dysphoria" by reading an article from Vox and another from Vice. https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/youth-faqs

In both articles, deeply unhappy individuals show that they are unfortunately quite mentally ill, obsessed with their looks and preoccupied with how they think other people see them, and always on the lookout for perceived insults and injuries that can destroy their day. Sometimes, however, these perceived insults and injuries come from their own minds' awareness of material reality.

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/gender-dysphoria/

https://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/we-asked-people-to-illustrate-what-their-gender-dysphoria-fe

Jonny says: "Gender dysphoria is sadness. It's paranoia, depression, anxiety, envy, disgust, anger; it's all of the emotions no one likes to feel. Gender dysphoria is changing 10 times before leaving the house and still not feeling comfortable in your own skin. Gender dysphoria is not wanting to get out of bed. Gender dysphoria is feeling hopeless and lost.

"There is nothing beautiful about gender dysphoria, it is the ugliest and saddest I've ever felt and I would never wish these feelings upon even my most hated enemies."

Anonymous says: "Dysphoria for me is feeling like a tangled mess. Everything is tangled, and I feel disgusting in my skin. I hear the ringing in my ears, my head won’t stop buzzing, and my face burns with embarrassment because of how round my face is or because how short I am or because my hips are wider than a boy’s. I feel like crying, and I hate myself and the body I was born with. I keep reminding myself how feminine I sound or how no one will ever use my preferred pronouns because of my appearance. I wish I had been born into a different body. I wish I didn’t feel so tangled."

Car-oh says: "When seeing my dysphoria run through my body I try my hardest to detach myself from social conditioning. I'm not supposed to be wearing lipstick or eyeliner while having cute little hairs on my chin and lips. I must be quiet. I must be a magical femme who does all the emotional labor. My masculinity and I can only meet in privacy.

"My emotional labor ends up being split between femme labor and surviving a white-cis-hetero world while being a brown non-binary trans person. That's a lot. The binary is a lot. My masculinity is as feminine as it can get. I can't and won't dare separate my masculinity away from my femininity ... It's difficult to water myself when everything outside of myself, I can't control. Only thing I can control is my self-care.

"So what do I do!? I hold onto some lavender that I gently put on my palms. I whisper affirmations and inhale the lavender. I let my body experience the emotions it needs to feel better, to grow, nurture itself. I wear my emotions while simultaneously making myself as visible as possible externally. I won't dare be invisible when I continue to exist under these painful circumstances. I will celebrate my sadness by crying more, by loving myself more radically. I won't dare let anyone condition and normalize their phobias and gender roles onto me. I will dare exist as a magical Trans Non-Binary femmeboi. I will dare question the binary."

Wiley says: "I wake up in the morning and run my hands over my body. It never feels exactly the way it should. Looking in the mirror, on the days I'm brave enough to do it, can shatter my exquisitely constructed sense of myself.

"My clothes are never, ever right. Showering is the most jarring part of my day — when I soap my thighs and chest and do my damnedest to hold on to the mental picture I have of who I really am and not the baggy, chubby, soft version of myself I feel under the running water."

I think we in the USA have a long way to go before we begin to uproot this pernicious ideology that's been used to encourage deeply unhappy, unwell young people to adopt ideas and take steps that in the long run will most likely just make them more unhappy & unwell.

[–]adolf512 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The main camps are

Transmed: it's about treating gender dysphoria

tucute: it's about gender identity

This hasn't changed.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The main camps are

Transmed: it's about treating gender dysphoria

tucute: it's about gender identity

This hasn't changed.

Yes it has changed. Trans advocacy organizations like Mermaids are not just claiming that they never meant the "born in the wrong body" spiel to be taken seriously or literally, they're also now claiming that being trans (in kids) has nothing to do with preferences for certain kinds of toys, games, clothing, playmates, "gender roles" or sex stereotypes associated with the other sex, and rejection of the toys, games, clothing, playmates, roles, stereotypes associated with one's own sex.

Since the currently accepted diagnostic criteria for childhood gender dysphoria requires a child to have these preferences and aversions, once those are removed from the clinical criteria, there is no such thing as childhood gender dysphoria!

Same goes for adult and adolescent gender dysphoria, whose clinical criteria are just as dodgy - and just as much based on desires and preferences for the sex stereotyped trappings associated with the opposite sex as childhood GD. To get a clinical dx of adult or adolescent GD rests entirely on desires & preferences for sex stereotypes, and/or the inner "conviction" that one's "feelings" and "reactions" are "typical" of the opposite sex and that one's own "experienced/expressed gender" (whatever the hell that is) is incompatible with one's sex.

To have "gender dysphoria" both the individuals who supposedly have the condition and all the doctors/therapists doing the diagnoses and providing the treatment all have to believe in the wooly notion of "gender identity" and embrace all the regressive sex stereotypes and magical thinking and denial of reality it's based on.

The whole thing is a house of cards. And the wind is blowing...

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

“The right body, wrong words and some assembly/surgery required” I GUESS??? Is their new slogans?