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[–]BiologyIsReal 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Good thing they never learn their tactics tend to backfire.

[–]NecessaryScene1 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It certainly backfires somewhat, but they still manage to achieve the current desired effect of keeping it out of "left-wing" media coverage.

Apparently there's been a total left-wing blackout in terms of reviews, and they are happily extending that blackout to surrounding controversies like the Target thing.

Which in turn means that as it's only "right-wing" sources reporting it, if anyone brings it up it can be claimed that the book itself and all those promoting it are "right-wing".

Their aim is more to discredit the idea, than to merely hurt sales of the book. Book sales are pretty insignificant, compared to wider knowledge of the concepts.

Good stuff from Téa Smith on it:

https://twitter.com/tealou/status/1328166973696397313

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpRnj1Y1pfw

At some point their antics become counterproductive, and the whole thing explodes, but they can keep a lid on it for a while.

Téa has a new video up comparing it to Big Tobacco's antics, but not watched it yet. They kept a lid on things for quite a while.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, I wish I could complain of right-wing media being the only ones willing to publish these stories. Because that would mean there are, at least, more people talking about this. Where I live no mainstream media will go against the TWAW dogma, let alone denounce the transition of minors for the medical scandal that it is.

I don't think the fact Abigail's book is selling well is insignificant. After all, the more people who read it the more people who will spread the word about this issue. And maybe after reading it they will think more critically about other aspects of the trans narrative, too.

[–]divingrightintowork 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Remember when the NYTImes reviewed Sheila Jaffreys and Michael J. Bailey? Those were the days :(

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and I remember also when the NYT gave a prominent, pro-feminist rave review to Janice Raymond's "The Transsexual Empire" in the late 1970s.

[–]inneedofspace 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see why that would bother you but the thing is if more and more women continue to lean right what's going to happen is the left is going to have to address the issue sooner or later.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, they do. They know they need to keep things quiet and secret to get their laws passed. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

[–]materialrealityplz 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Wow, that is honestly amazing............. :O

Was it the Target controversy that really brought it to light?

[–]worried19 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Seems like it. The book was selling well before that, but Abigail Shrier was just interviewed on Fox News, so that takes it to a new level of visibility.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also, Shrier had a piece in the Wall Street Journal opinion pages about it within the last couple of days. I'd imagine that anyone who reads the WSJ opinion pages likely has both the interest and means to buy books.

[–]divingrightintowork 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Quilette too!

[–]purrvana 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Her episode on the Joe Rogan podcast is also the one that made the Spotify workers throw a fit. The book didn't take off then but I'm sure the drama around it helped.

[–]divingrightintowork 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I'm wondering how that is going - is Spotify literally murdering trans people after it pays for voice training, dick inversion, hair removal, brazilian butt lifts, breast implants, facial reconstruction, and japanese loli outfits because it won't or contractually can't delete that episode?

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How do Amazon links doxx you? Would like to know for safety.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If I linked to the page from my browser, the page would've shown the banner across the top that says "Hi My Name!" and other features of my Amazon account. Not sure if that happens to everyone or just Prime members.

[–]divingrightintowork 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's a good chance it wouldn't - you can open an incognito window and link it there to test it.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, thank you. It's just that in all my browsers and on all my devices, I get signed onto Amazon automatically. I did try to get around it and to test it by signing out and using a private window when I first started this thread... but whatever route I attempted, seems my name and details still showed up in the banner at the top. So I decided not to take the risk.

At the same time, I didn't try all that hard to go incognito coz it's convenient for me to be always automatically signed-in to Amazon.

Anyways, after a couple of tries I gave up and just decided to start the thread without providing a link. After all, anyone can go and see the Amazon best sellers themselves. It's not like this is info kept behind a paywall or is hard to find.

[–]rearden-steel 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I got the audiobook. It's a vitally important book that really isn't even anti-trans. She's very sympathetic to adult trans people, which you would never guess from the coverage.

[–]divingrightintowork 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Suhweeeet - that's out of like 33 million.