They are not even hiding that they are MRA anymore: "Remove women-centric language when speaking about abortions and reproductive rights"

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[–]VioletRemi[S] 48 insightful - 2 fun48 insightful - 1 fun49 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I am never planning to be pregnant and pregnancy will kill me with my health condition.

And I have nothing against women speaking about pregnancy.

Many women after menopause have no problem about other women speaking about menstruation or childbirth.

No women ever had a problem with this.

Only men in dresses seems to have problem with this. And they are not even hiding it anymore. They just want for women to stop speaking.

They want to make talking about women bodies - taboo again. We still haven't won menstruation/periods-shaming war, and now this strike back on us.

[–]LasagnaRossa 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Real women are never threatened by other women who talk about their biological functions, because they know they are women even though their cycle is irregular, they don't want children or they aren't in their fertile age anymore. Every variation is a different way to be a woman.

Only men in dresses get offended by it, because they know that they lack the only condition to be called woman: being born one.

[–]MarkTwainiac 29 insightful - 7 fun29 insightful - 6 fun30 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

So according to Planned Parenthood MA

acknowledging that the use of woman-centric language in reproductive & abortion advocacy is erasure of trans health care.

By this logic, using teeth- and mouth-centric language in advocacy for better dental care and oral health is erasure of health care for people with medical needs involving other parts of the body.

Using oncology-centric language in cancer advocacy is erasure of diabetes health care.

Heart disease charities are erasing health care for people with arthritis.

Gay Men's Health Crisis by its very name and founding aims erased health care for straight and bi men, boys, all girls and women, and everyone without HIV or AIDS.

In the late 1950s and 60s, my parents helped found a charity for children with cystic fibrosis in the US. By so doing, their real aim must've been to erase health care for all the kids back then who had polio, measles, rubella, mumps, chicken pox, whooping cough, cerebral palsy and Downs syndrome.

[–]VioletRemi[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And their given examples to replace "women's healthcare" are explaining nothing. Their calling of pregnant women as "people who menstruate" - is ignorant too.

Like here one of comments:

"reproductive health care"

Such vague words describe nothing.

This can mean male reproductive health care. Maybe sperm donoring, maybe impotence.

This can mean reproductive health care of my dog or my cat.

It is just confusing and means nothing.

[–]Greykittymomma 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This pisses me off. I don't donate to PP but I sure in hell won't now. If you are stupid enough / not too dysphoric to become pregnant as a transman that's your problem. You can deal with recieving women's sevices if you can deal with childbirth or an abortion.

Transwomen could use planned parenthood too I suppose for condoms or STDs testing I'm sure but we all know that WOMEN are under served and rely on planned parenthood. Real women are the ones getting pregnant.

Fuck these trans cry babies. I'm tired of catering to opportunistic self -centered assholes. I am on the verge of being anti trans if I didn't actually know a few totally reasonable trans folks I really would go that far.

[–]MarkTwainiac 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

A main business of many PP offices nowadays is "trans health care," which means prescribing estrogen and T-blockers to males who ID as the opposite sex, testosterone to females who identify as the opposite sex or want to become masculinized coz they are non-binary, and providing referrals for "gender confirmation surgeries." Many PP affiliates also provide advice and assistance for such matters as changing names on official documents and figuring out whether you are trans.

Not all PP affiliates provide access to hormones, but many do:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/transgender/what-do-i-need-know-about-trans-health-care

[–]QueenBread 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's one thing I don't understand, and I'd like to discuss this with you guys here.

Ok, so, listen up....... apparently there's a pattern: "pro-women"organizations that try to erase women by dehumanizing them in language.

So. What IS the deal with this? Is this a government agenda telling pro-women organizations to erase women, in order to teach the masses to erase women's existence?

It's horrible that I'm seeing women's rights being erased to "Extremist Islam" levels.

[–]Finnegan7921 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The sad reality is that the only reason this bullshit is allowed to continue is b/c too many women are "woke" b/c it is trendy to be so. Until you have a mass pushback by women against this stuff, it will continue.

For PP to provide services to the T community, fine, whatever. For them to tell women that the word "women" is now offensive.....I mean...really ? Is that where we are as a society ? This is turning into 1984..the people writing it cannot possibly believe it, but they'll do it anyway b/c that's what the party tells them to do.

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have been disappointed by a lot of women's response to this whole mess. We talk a lot about toxic masculinity, but I feel that we do not talk enough about how women are socialized to view "kindness" as such an important quality to have, that they are willing to throw themselves (and, implicitly, other women) under the bus just to be praised for performing it properly.

It's also sad how feminism has fallen prey to this whole "boomers are stupid" mentality, which guarantees that the loudest voices we hear right now are naive and inexperienced teenage girls and young women, from relatively stable socioeconomic backgrounds, who don't yet have the foresight to realize the consequences of what they are supporting (and who are more vulnerable to fall prey to this performance based reward system, especially in online spaces). I'm not trying to be an asshole to younger people (I am still in my 20s myself), but I feel that we have a lot to lose by disregarding older women as "obsolete second wavers".

I do still hold hope that they will grow out of this phase.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

For PP to provide services to the T community, fine, whatever.

I think it's fine for PP to provide services related to reproduction and sexual health to the T community. Coz helping with contraception, abortion access, sexually transmitted infections, etc is PP's remit.

But I don't think it's fine for many PP affiliates to have expanded their offerings so that they are now providing on demand to anyone willing to sign an "informed consent" form and claim they are gender speshul such things as cross-sex hormones, androgen blockers, referrals to surgeons who'll do double mastectomies on confused young women on demand, assistance in changing legal ID documents, or advice that encourages young people to reject their parents/families of origin and embrace the gender cult. Yet that's what PP is doing.

A number of PP affiliates also give clients/patients the gross guide to trans safe sex that the Scrotum Rights Campaign put out. It contains the following definitions, which I don't think should be used by anyone in health care:

DICK: We use this word to describe external genitals. Dicks come in all shapes and sizes and can belong to people of all genders.

FRONT HOLE: We use this word to talk about internal genitals, sometimes referred to as a vagina. A front hole may self-lubricate, depending on age and hormones.

STRAPLESS: We use this word to describe the genitals of trans women who have not had genital reconstruction (or “bottom surgery”), sometimes referred to as a penis.

VAGINA: We use this word to talk about the genitals of trans women who have had bottom surgery.

https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/Trans_Safer_Sex_Guide_FINAL.pdf

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

DICK: We use this word to describe external genitals. Dicks come in all shapes and sizes and can belong to people of all genders. FRONT HOLE: We use this word to talk about internal genitals, sometimes referred to as a vagina. A front hole may self-lubricate, depending on age and hormones. STRAPLESS: We use this word to describe the genitals of trans women who have not had genital reconstruction (or “bottom surgery”), sometimes referred to as a penis. VAGINA: We use this word to talk about the genitals of trans women who have had bottom surgery.

Will I ever stop being amazed by how stupid we humans can be?

Also, I will not stand for this slander towards the urethra! IT should be the front hole. The other one (the one that shall not be properly named unless a man claims to have one) is merely the middle one!

Although, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if PP thinks we pee out of our vagina.

[–]ColoredTwice 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women are called "front hole" or just "hole" here by many sexist men when speaking in general about women, or sometimes by "not sexist men" who are speaking about sex workers. And they want to use this dehumanizing language in legal documents and enforce by law?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If any student or trainee of mine tries using this language, I'll be hard pressed to not terf myself.

[–]Shesstealthy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's only offensive whrn applied to female humans.

Sigh.

[–]arcticbasket 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was so pleased to see many of the responses to that tweet showed common sense.

[–]inneedofspace 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Pregnant people sounds so vague and so randomly assigned, all the work women have done for women's health to be replaced by "people". Seriously what's so wrong with "women and birthing people" or women and trans men? After all the vast majority about 99% of pregnant people are in fact women *who still call themselves women. Who's really pushing this pregnant people talk? I mean how exactly does it help your dysphoria to be referred to as your reproductive organs? I feel like this language allows society to ignore the elephant in the room but only time will tell if vague terms like "pregnant people" will lead to a new second class, my guess is yes it will, history has taught us that when women are just "people", men become default and women yes all "afabs" become their body, that is the history of the gender neutral word "men" and the second class human, incubator/maid/"wife". I wish everyone understood the importance of gender specific language for the female body, when all bodies are treated the same the female body in comparison always seems to deserve less and the only way to overcome this is to acknowledge not erase sex (and therefore the purposes of the female body in it's own right), it's upsetting that language is being taken away even sadder that women have no rights to name ourselves and our own oppression.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

99% of pregnant people are in fact women.

100% are girls or women. Just because a small number would prefer to be male or to have no sex does not change this fact.

[–]inneedofspace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree, even though I don't agree with trans activist I sometimes make the distinction because I feel like in the long run it helps me get my point across without dealing with the identity politics and semantics but I agree all pregnant people are women/female even "afab" if I really have to, whatever makes people with gender dysphoria feel a little less horrible about their bodies so we can address the female erasure happening within the transgender community and feminism and why it'll never help any girl/woman, trans or not.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasn't trying to be nitpicky, just factual. In my experience and opinion, conceding a little bit of ground to the genderists in hopes this will mollify and placate them doesn't work, as they tend to be recalcitrant absolutist authoritarians and colonists who the epitomize the adage, "give an inch and they'll take a mile."

whatever makes people with gender dysphoria feel a little less horrible about their bodies so we can address the female erasure

Sorry, but this sounds like transpaining, meaning the POV that says what trans-identified people suffer is many times worse than what anyone else on earth suffers or have ever suffered.

Why are people with "gender dysphoria" always centered and given more sympathy than anyone else gets? Why do trans people's feelings of discomfort and their need to get their way matter more than than anyone's else's feelings, needs and desires?

Fact is, most female people in and after puberty have a lot of discomfort and dislike of our bodies. Many girls and women feel absolutely horrible about their/our bodies. Lots of boys and men dislike their bodies too.

What's more, pregnancy, childbirth and post-birth are times when lots of women have all sorts of issues with our bodies, and many of us are deeply unhappy with how our bodies look, feel and function.

Pregnant women are subjected to vile forms of sexual harassment walking down the street and in public settings. In the course of carrying a pregnancy to full term most/many women will develop stretch marks, hemorrhoids, excess body fat and cellulite that's hard to get rid of, back aches, insomnia, indigestion, pregnancy mask on the face, allergies, sweating, edema, hairs growing out of the nipples, etc. And pregnant women are routinely called fat cows and whores who couldn't keep our legs shut by strangers, and treated as though we/they are nothing but waddling incubators by wide swathes of society.

A large number of women who've given birth to children will end up later in life with urinary incontinence, and many will have fecal incontinence too. Some will have painful conditions like pudendal neuralgia that end up disabling them decades after giving birth.

Why does the "dysphoria" (a fancy world meaning unhappiness, distress and unease) and "lived experience" of such women never get considered? Where's the sympathy for them/us?

Why are people with this new, made-up malady that's all about regressive sex stereotypes called "gender dysphoria" seen as the most put-upon and suffering people ever?

[–]ColoredTwice 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, but this sounds like transpaining, meaning the POV that says what trans-identified people suffer is many times worse than what anyone else on earth suffers or have ever suffered.

And yet, they are the safest demographics on Earth. Especially in countries like UK or Norway, where less than 1 transgender is killed per year, less than 2 transgenders are attacked per year, and transwomen have more rights than women - women, who are killed at 3 per week during lockdown and 2 attacked daily. More transwomen attacked women, than men attacked transwomen. And no woman killed transwoman so far, while the opposits is happened few times.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People formerly known as women.

Still known as, but formerly too.

[–]peaked2020 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No one seems to be clamoring that the MRAs need to include trans men.

[–]VioletRemi[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And we all know why.