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[–]verypeaktrans 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Reading the thread you will find the op is a minor and pronouns are "he/they, nya/nyan, xe/xem, it/its." (Is this a joke? I can't tell anymore. Send help.) Seeing that really changed how I looked at this post. I was ready to be cutthroat about the lack of logic and hysteria but again, this is a minor we're talking about. The kind of minor who is exactly who Kiera Bell is trying to protect.

What concerns me the most is that this post has about 100k likes in total. This is a young person whose angsty rant with no argumentative merit is getting unbelievable amounts of attention for repeating TRA rhetoric. For me this is the kind of thing you put in your diary and cringe at when you get older, glad that nobody saw it. Could anything else they do this give them that kind of approval? It must be intoxicating - to anyone, but especially a minor, and solidify that trans-identification as it does create that community and those positive experiences.

Imagine this is you as a young awkward teen and you try to go from this to posting normal people things, like sharing your cooking or your favorite music. How could it compare to being part of a cause, and treated as really really important? I would bet that other young people are seeing this and is it any wonder that they might interpret their mental illness/trauma, GNC tendencies, feeling of not fitting in or anything else as being trans?

One thing I will say though:

we are suffering. the uk is so extremely transphobic, 83% of trans young people have experienced name-calling or verbal abuse

Wow. Name calling. The horror. But anyways, I find it incredibly concerning that the most tolerant nations in the world are being thought of as "extremely transphobic." Of course I've experienced shit being a woman, we have plenty of work to do. But the lack of perspective bothers me. I understand that this may seem like whataboutism or a deflection or whatever, but looking at the state of women and GNC people in the world, Westernized nations are leading in our rights and freedoms. I'm not at all saying "shut up and stop complaining" but that this seems to be intentional fear-mongering to make young vulnerable people, often GNC, terrified of people who might otherwise just be disagreeing (like us "terfs" or the often liberal parents of trans-identified children) or even just confused people can't keep up with TRA rhetoric. It seems so intentional that I have to think it's grooming.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As to the claim that

83% of trans young people have experienced name-calling or verbal abuse

I'd wager that 100% of female people have experienced name-calling and verbal abuse simply for being discernibly female. It's happened to most women I've known pretty much all our lives.

Moreover, amongst families, peer groups, schoolmates, work colleagues, neighbors etc, everyone gets called names, made fun of and "picked on" at some point or at many points in their lives, particularly in childhood and adolescence.

Name-calling, verbal abuse and other kinds of abuse even happens to the "cool kids" whom many other kids assume just breeze through life without any problems. Coz the fact is, ridicule and harassment aren't just done by the people on top to people they see as below them. A lot of kids who see themselves as outcasts and losers are actually extremely abusive of others they think have it easier. And many boys who feel they don't fit in and will never be able to get a girlfriend or boyfriend are major bullies and sexual harassers.

I also wonder how many of those 83% of trans young people freely slur other people as bigots, TERFs, cis, transphobes, Boomers, Karens, etc; how many often say other things that are homophobic, racist, classist and misogynistic; and how many tell people who have differing views from their own that they are "trash," are of "low quality" or "worthless" and deserve to die in grease fires or be choked to death on girl dick.

[–]Bootsinmyshoes30[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

and pronouns are "he/they, nya/nyan, xe/xem, it/its." (Is this a joke? I can't tell anymore. Send help.)

You made me crack. I always want to cry when I see how ridiculous the "trans" people and their ideology are, but with the way you said "send help", I started laughing so hard and this stomach-hurting, tear-inducing laugh feels so good 🤣 You're so funny

Unfortunately, it's not a joke though :((. I think "nya/nyan" are the pronouns used by those that "identify" as "catgender", or "nyangender", and "catgender" is in the category of "xenogenders": https://xenogenders.carrd.co/#genders

https://xenogenders.carrd.co/#catgender

a xenogender that is also an umbrella term for other cat related genders! such as meowgender, nyagender, kitten/kittygender, etc!

The trans right activists created "xenogenders" for "neurodivergent" people, but say anyone can use them. You see these people "identifying" as cats, bees, even certain foods like pizza, burger, etc because they think they are those things, and not human.

The person that started that thread, @ghostsoot_, who was bashing the uk law, is not joking. She's "trans" too on top of "nyangender".

Yesterday right after I found her thread that was getting massive amount of attention, I sent her a dm asking "may I know if you are a trans man or a trans woman, and is the guy in the profile picture you or a youtuber/gamer?", because she has already revealed she is "trans" in a post, and I was curious what kind of "trans": https://twitter.com/ghostsoot_/status/1343550371692748801

She revealed she is a "trans man", and that the guy in her previous profile picture that she changed just some hours ago was not her, but a youtuber: https://imgur.com/gjpPov9

https://imgur.com/QxJRk8N

She changed that profile picture though: https://imgur.com/BSXnPKF

https://imgur.com/zbE184H

And as you can see, she blocked me for asking simple questions like that. I don't know if I have to laugh or cry 😀

Imagine this is you as a young awkward teen and you try to go from this to posting normal people things, like sharing your cooking or your favorite music. How could it compare to being part of a cause, and treated as really really important? I would bet that other young people are seeing this and is it any wonder that they might interpret their mental illness/trauma, GNC tendencies, feeling of not fitting in or anything else as being trans?

I get some (most?) of them think they are "trans" because they can get a ton of attention for it that they can't get from doing other things, but I guess I don't get why they want that attention because in my experience, no matter how much attention I received the loneliness never went away. I don't have any friends in reality, apart from my two sisters. Never had any friends in my teenage years either, I had "classmates" that I talked to when absolutely necessary (e.g. group projects, asking for homework if I were absent in class, etc)

And I get extremely lonely, to the point all I want to is scream in frustration and anger. But whenever I talk to other people, and am surrounded by them, the attention does not do anything, it doesn't alleviate the pain.

I don't think any of these people that call themselves "trans" for attention feel better after getting the attention, the attention may help them cope temporarily, but I think loneliness is something that can't go away, so after a while the attention they received will stop being effective and they will have to do something else to deal with loneliness ...

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And I get extremely lonely, to the point all I want to is scream in frustration and anger. But whenever I talk to other people, and am surrounded by them, the attention does not do anything, it doesn't alleviate the pain.

Your comment reminded me of these lines from Roxy Music's 1979 hit "Dance Away" by Bryan Ferry:

Loneliness is a crowded room

Full of open hearts turned to stone

All together all alone

[–]Bootsinmyshoes30[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Goodness. Those lyrics are so brilliant, they hit me so close to home and I relate so much to them 😭 I searched for dance away and am listening to it right now, those lines from years ago have so much truth in them and though I'm so late to the fantastic song I'm so glad you recommended it to me. Couldn't ask for a better gift this year my friend 😘 💓

Still listening to it, it's been a couple times now~: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nT1-eE2E0M

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So glad you like the song! The video you linked to isn't available in my country (the US), so I'm posting a couple more of "Dance Away" from 1979: https://youtu.be/J04oJbu2EkA https://youtu.be/NavzcV_gRiE

BTW, when not writing about feminism, I write Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry song parodies and humor pieces under the pen name Proxy Music. My parody of "Dance Away," written to commemorate the COVID-19 lockdowns and restrictions, is called "Stand Away."

Prior to COVID, a main activity of my retirement years was traveling whenever I could both in North America and overseas to see Ferry in concert. At 75, his voice has faded, but he's got a great band and still puts on an amazing show. Check out his sax player Jorja Chalmers at the end of this: https://youtu.be/2VyHedf6BlY

[–]Silverhatband 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for this comment! I appreciated reading it.

Loneliness, I won't call it a phase, per se, yet, I've come to believe it is a common, devastating, human condition/feeling we all encounter, and the (fortunate?) among us eventually come to terms with, if not accept, then recognize and acknowledge it. I remember, in my own youth,

And I get extremely lonely, to the point all I want to is scream in frustration and anger. But whenever I talk to other people, and am surrounded by them, the attention does not do anything, it doesn't alleviate the pain.

It's like how puberty sucks and cannot be avoided IRL, and to try otherwise causes innumerable complications. You'll notice people who never dealt with their loneliness, they can be uncomfortable to be around.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Loneliness, I won't call it a phase, per se, yet, I've come to believe it is a common, devastating, human condition/feeling we all encounter, and the (fortunate?) among us eventually come to terms with, if not accept, then recognize and acknowledge it.

In the 1930s, Thomas Wolfe wrote an insightful essay about loneliness, "God's Lonely Man," which can be found in this digitized version of "The Thomas Wolfe Reader": http://www.survivorlibrary.com/library/thomas_wolfe_reader_1962.pdf

[–]refusetolie 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The process of puberty is essential to the maturation of the brain. The rationale for stopping puberty is to postpone the decision to make permanent changes until the child is older without developing secondary sex characteristics. The implicit fact here is that older children, teenagers are better equipped to assess risks than are young children. The reason for this is due to brain development and additional years of experience.

While I do not agree that a normal 16-year-old is equipped to make major permanent decisions affecting health and fertility, even if that were the case, a 16-year-old who has had their puberty halted is in no way equivalent to a 16-year-old who is undergoing normal development. The delayed child is psychologically more like a prepubescent child, as the treatment introduces a developmental asynchrony. Thus it is not rational to presume that their increased age confers the expected expansion in the ability to realistically judge risks and make permanent decisions.

Similarly, it is common for autistic children to be delayed in social development and emotional maturity even if they are cognitively normal or even far superior to the norm. Given the degree of overlap between autistic minors and cross-gender identification, the effect of delaying the brain maturation of a child who is already delayed in these respects likely compounds the socially damaging effects of developmental asynchrony.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The process of puberty is essential to the maturation of the brain.

Yes, and - more to the point - the maturation of the brain that begins in puberty & ends circa age 25 is precisely what enables the vast majority of people to grow out of "gender dysphoria" and so many of the underlying issues that "gender dysphoria" is based on - such as an an embrace of & fixation with of rigid sex stereotypes; an obsession with their physical appearance; the belief that everyone is always looking at them & negatively judging them; as well as magical thinking, childlike fantasies, simplistic world views and the utterly wrongheaded conviction that the way for a person to resolve emotional and mental distress is to change how they look, how they "identify" & what labels/pronouns they apply to themselves and publicly announce with the daft idea that the whole world must play along. As the brain matures, most people also figure out that a core tenet of trans ideology - trying to control how everyone else in the world perceives you and what words they use when they speak of you - is pointless and tyrannical too.

Of course, brain maturation does not automatically resolve underlying issues like anxiety, depression, autism, body image issues, EDs, and so on. In fact, there are some mental illnesses - such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder - that tend to emerge/become evident only as the brain becomes more mature. But in general, brain maturation does give people the capacity to begin to see that there are other, better ways of dealing with their mental health and social adjustment issues than going "trans."

Moreover, as you point out, whether kids are autistic or "cognitively normal or even far superior to the norm," delaying puberty will put them behind their peers - both psychologically and socially. As they watch their peers move on in life and develop and grow, their sense of not fitting in and being out of the loop will only increase. As will their profound sense of loneliness and their inner conviction that "there's something really wrong with me."

PBs essentially lock kids into their "gender dysphoria" and other mental health problems and prevent them from finding a way out. Jazz Jennings, who started blockers at age 10-11 and estrogen at 12, tragically illustrates this all too well.

[–]Bootsinmyshoes30[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very well written as always <3

By the way I wasn't around on the 1st of January to tell you this so I wanted to say now happy new year. And thank you for doing all you can to educate the "trans" and tras every step of the way in 2020, both on the reddit gc sub that got banned and here. You inspired me to be more active as well, couldn't do it without you 🥺

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind words. You cheered me up on a day when I really needed it. So glad you are here! We're all doing what we can.

Best wishes to you, and happy new year. Let's hope it's better than the last one. Again, thanks for the kind words. Keep up the good work.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good. This will force these assholes to argue more and more publicly in favour of harming children. Best of luck, fuckers.

[–]Shesstealthy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's not the problem. The problem is the very bad side effects of the drugs in question and the questionably of whether taking them will actually help a trans teen pass or have an easy medical transition if that is what their goal is.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One of the reasons the idea that PBs will help a trans teen pass better and have an "easy medical transition" is questionable is coz it's based entirely on suppositions regarding the male population of trans youth - suppositions that were invented and pushed by grown adult TIMs to conform with their pie-in-the-sky and wholly self-centered fantasies about what they think they would've preferred to have happened to themselves when they were kids.

But the suppositions of these grown men have been pretty thoroughly debunked by what happened to Jazz Jennings, who underwent numerous experimental genital surgeries, including one that spectacularly failed, because PBs leave boys with such small penises and scrotums that there's not enough genital tissue for surgeons to do conventional fauxgina and fauxlva surgeries, so skin grafts from other parts of the body must be used. Moreover, boys who take PBs early in puberty as Jazz did end up with no libido, no sexual function, no capacity to experience sexual pleasure or orgasm. Since most TIMs who went through natural puberty are entirely driven by their male libidos and their quest to experience their own male sexual pleasure, I highly doubt any of them would be happy to end up like Jazz.

As far as female youth go, the information published so far is that girls who take PBs for "gender dysphoria" also end up sexually dysfunctional and most likely sterile - plus, they end up shorter as adults than they otherwise would have been. Stunting the height of these girls will definitely make it far less likely that they'll "pass" as males in adulthood. In still photographs or videos when they are not seen next to males, many "transmen" seem to pass at first glance coz of the beards and receding hairlines. But when seen in IRL, or in media where they're shown alongside males (including TIMs), the small stature of most TIFs even if they never took PBs almost always gives them away. As do their often tiny hands, which they can't always keep in their pockets so they remain hidden from view.

Case in point is TIF Chase Strangio with TIM Laverne Cox: https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/laverne-cox-and-chase-strangio-attend-the-71st-emmy-awards-news-photo/1176562309

Chase Strangio with other people: https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/lee-gelernt-josh-kriegman-brigitte-amiri-chase-strangio-and-news-photo/1202126760

TIF Mack Beggs in red shirt with TIM Terry Miller to Beggs' right, and TIM Andraya Yearwood in long dress: https://www.zimbio.com/photos/Terry+Miller/Andraya+Yearwood/Changing+Game+2019+Tribeca+Film+Festival/5QE9BpFi7AN

Can you imagine of either Strangio or Beggs had taken PBs how much smaller they'd be?