“Is it unethical to have cis-women only spaces?” Question posted in r/asktransgender today. Link to post/removeddit post in description.

submitted by Ferngully from self.GenderCritical

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[–]Finnegan7921 23 insightful - 10 fun23 insightful - 9 fun24 insightful - 10 fun -  (2 children)

Of course it is, where else could the TiM's go and show off their makeup, new clothes, hairstyle, purses, shoes and all the other stuff that women talk about 99.9% of the time, right ?

[–]tea4two 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which is why the cheat code to female-only spaces in my experience is finding places populated by women that society deems unfuckable (hence non-women) and whose interests are assumed to be not sexy or linked to female fertility (hence non-women): older women.

Older women are the best. Funny, based, and with a wealth of stories and life experiences. And the groups I was in (pre-covid) were blessedly free of men and verbiage about gender identity.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Is it ethical to let hordes of these into women's spaces?

[–]Greykittymomma 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

She's a peach! A nasty rotten peach lmao.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like no shit lesbians are terrified, leftists. People who can't see this are purposefully delusional for the sake of feeling virtuous. There's nothing to be gained from this ersatz "inclusion"

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He has a BS in biology. Trans, BS biology - seems legit.

[–]assignedcopatbirth 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"It's like a whites only club!!!" No hun, it's more like a black-women-only club not letting Rachel Dolezal in.

It's so weird they whip out racial power structures as a comparison for trans 'oppression'. Black people are oppressed because of centuries of slavery and economic apartheid after that, much persisting to this day.

Firstly, when were women majority in charge of ANY power block like government, military or big business? I must have missed that.

And when these "cis" women were running the world, when exactly did we pass laws that made trans people actual literal SLAVES, denied them right to own property, marry outside their 'kind' and travel freely? When did we build cities that kept trans people away from their families, fresh food, and leisure? When did women fight wars to keep trans people from basic human liberation?

You'd think this stuff would be in woke history textbooks by now!

[–]Ferngully[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I go to these places online (saidit included) looking for answers and truth, but I feel close to giving up.... at least giving up Reddit, which is where I can find the most TRA discourse. I don’t understand Twitter, and don’t do Facebook or anything like that.

All actual discussion of this question even by trans people got downvotes. If the answer wasn’t a solid “yes” it got downvoted. And then when the person tried to defend their views it was more downvotes, and vitriol. I know as an avid redditor who has never had posts go “viral” down votes scare me. I barely have enough “karma” to matter, so it’s actually... valuable to me... idk that sounds stupid but whatever.

[–]DorothyGale 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

When I used Reddit upvotes and downvotes were irrelevant to me. I've used forums where that kind of validation was non existent unless it was in a responding post. I always think it is more of a futile attempt at power. I don't give a damn if people disagree with me - it is their right (and I obviously think they are wrong ;-) ). The bigger issue with Reddit is the deleting of posts so the conversation is ridiculously bias and nothing more than a validation chamber of agreement. There is no discussion.

This question is never posed about whether trans people, men or disabled people should have their own private spaces to talk about issues relevant to them, it is always women. Here's the answer; all those people should be able to have spaces where they can talk to people going through the same as them and so should females. Exclusion isn't always a bad thing, sometimes it is necessary e.g cancer support groups aren't going to help you recovering from losing a leg and they won't appreciate you soliciting help for that. I'm sick and tired of this narrative that inclusion at all costs is desirable or necessary. Now I'm off to force the Russian Olympic gymnastics team to include me despite the fact I am old, fat, not remotely bendy and have no training. I'll let you know how it goes.

[–]fediverseshill 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reddit has also added automatic hiding (that isnt deletion), so that highly upvoted posts will still get hidden (it used to only be for -5+ posts), and the mods will shadowban certain words, like TiM, and its very hard to tell if you've been used it on.

Check your profile on removvvedit (i think thats it), when i still used reddit there was tons of innocuous comments in the big subs that were removed without ANY notice in my account. Reddit is fully soft-fascism, now.

After getting 100m+ from CHINAA

[–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

*Added the full site to uncensor your profile on reddit.

https://www.removeddit.com/about/

[–]CastleHoward 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no compromise because they won't give an inch. There can be no exceptions. Not medical exams, not rape aftercare, not sports, not data collection not nothing ever. Women have to roll over and take it. We have to apologize for having feelings and expose our bodies to them. We have to accept being shunned by our friends and family. We have to wonder why everyone went crazy and somehow we were spared. It's a sad state of affairs and I just want to go back to 6 months ago when I didn't know this was happening.

[–]DorothyGale 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it unethical to have trans only spaces?

[–]marmorsymphata 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Even that is a bullshit thing. Because it's not agab it's putely sex and I argue my sex is a hell of a lot closer, biologically speaking, to a Cis women than it is a Cis man. So what exactly about me would trigger her? Schrodingers penis? The set of chromosomes that she can't see and I don't actually even know?

In which it is denied that ballsack skin sewn to the taint is a male construction

[–]levoyageur718293 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A funny bit of rhetorical jiu-jitsu just occurred to me. You could indeed have women only spaces under intersectional calculus, but you'd have to name it backwards - you'd start by making it a space for the female sex, regardless of gender identity, but then assert that since the class of men marginalizes the class of women, no men (trans men, aka tifs) are allowed in it. The result would be the same, but because of how you've sliced it, it should satisfy woke policing.

I mean, it wouldn't, of course, because tims want everything, but they would have no rhetorical grounds to oppose.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aren't they also just known as women only spaces?