What are your thoughts on and arguments against these articles that say there is no such a thing as a male or female body?

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I'm referring to these articles that say there is no such a thing as a male or female body, essentially "no such thing as male or female": https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/07/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-male-body.html

https://www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1288258-Amnesty-International-say-no-such-thing-as-a-biologically-female-male-body

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/testosterone-biological-sex-sports-bodies

There's also this article that says biological sex is a social construct: https://growinguptransgender.com/2018/11/01/biological-sex-is-a-social-construct/

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[–]censorshipment 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

Not reading any articles tonight (1:40am here). I'll say what I said in a GCdebatesQT post... sex is not a social construct, but the vocabulary we use (to communicate) is.

If someone, who has never heard/read the words male and female, physically touched 10 naked human bodies, 5 males 5 females, and was asked to sorted them by physical likeness... that person would feel differences and sort them by sex. No medically mutilated humans would be there, btw.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sex is not a social construct, but the vocabulary we use (to communicate) is.

Yes, and even people who can't create or understand "social constructs" coz they are incapable of social interaction, language, observation, categorization and abstract thought - such as people in comas, persistent vegetative states or who were born with, or have suffered injuries, leading to intellectual disabilities so severe as to render them cut off from others - still have a sex, and are affected and shaped by their sex. Same goes for all of us when we are asleep.

Being unconscious - whether temporarily or permanently - doesn't prevent a girl or woman from being able to get or remain pregnant, doesn't stop menses from flowing, doesn't put a halt to menopause or the ovulation cycle, doesn't cause every cell in a girl or woman's body to be without sex chromosomes and all their myriad effects.

A few years ago, a long-term unconscious woman in a nursing home in Arizona gave birth coz her being in a "vegetative state" or coma didn't prevent a male nurse from raping and impregnating her. Since the invention of modern anesthesia, many girls and women whilst "put under" by medical practitioners have been sexually violated by the men who administered the knock-out drugs - or by other men who were given access to the girls'/women's bodies, as in all the medical students in US hospitals instructed to do vaginal exams on unconscious female patients without the patients' consent.

Similarly, as the common phenomenon of wet dreams show, being unconscious doesn't stop a boy or man from making sperm and ejaculating it, either. Males are still as male when asleep as they are when awake. Just like females are.

There have always been people who've lived cut off from human contact coz they're hermits, and today there are many people who've gone the past year without any face-to-face RL interactions with anyone else due to COVID, not even any Zoom calls or face time. Yet all such people still have a sex, and are affected by their sex.

Plants and many animals do not have the same capacity for language and cognition that humans do, and thus they presumably do not invent or get "social constructs." But they all still have a sex.

[–]lefterfield 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This to me is kind of the main point. They always want to get into edge cases cause when it comes to 99.999% of all humans, they have no argument.

[–]ColoredTwice 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And even edge cases are proving nothing, even in their interpretation.

Lets say they can prove that I am third sex - how does this will prove that male can become female? Where is third gamete?

Lets say they showing results of medical malpractice - wrongly assigned sex at birth, because doctor was not bothered enough for more tests, and so doctor performed IGM. And then later in life because of hormonal issues doctors were forced to do tests and observe that they made a mistake. So now what it has to do with males who want to be females? They aren't intersex, they had no ambigious genitals or chromosome issues, they today don't have hormonal and biological issues which will show they aren't male. Duch cases prove nothing to trans ideology.

And yet, they are using our condition as meat shield, making people to be misinformed or to hate us.

[–]bolla_top 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Here's a quote from the Slate article:

"There is plainly no one type of body that we could accurately label a “male body.”

At birth, we classify infants as male or female based solely on the appearance of their external genitalia. Notably, this classification serves population control and surveillance and not medical purposes. "

It just strikes me as kind of funny that we mock QAnon believers while intellectuals on the left go around saying things like this. Noting whether a newborn is a boy or a girl serves no purpose other than population control and "surveillance", whatever that means. This is just as loony as FEMA camps and child brothels disguised as pizza places.

[–]ColoredTwice 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those are political organisations, they can say whatever suits their agenda.

Dump of links is not how conversation starts. You should give short recap or your thoughts - forcing us to spend a lot of time reading ourselves, while not bothering yourself, - is extremely rude.

And this is not a debate sub.

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just pick up some biology textbooks, seriously. And I mean actual textbooks, not some random internet articles written by armchair biologists. You were given several explanations about the nature of sex on your threads in the debate sub already. However, you keep ignoring them and finding new ways to ask the same question.

[–]SillyMoneyGoose 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Do you think there’s no difference between a bull and a cow? Or does this kind of argument only apply to human beings? If so why?

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

If the liquid that comes from "milking" a bull were to end up in this guy's coffee or on his cereal, I bet he'd notice the difference immediately!

[–]Finnegan7921 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"I'll have a venti frappucino, half soy milk, half jizz, the name is Braedan".... they'd fucking love it.

[–]teacherterf 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Pre-verbal toddlers can distinguish between male and female people the vast majority of the time. Grown adults such as yourself are even better at this. When presented with a picture of a naked human, you will be able to identify that person's sex with well over 99% accuracy. You routinely make judgements with less than 99% confidence that you are correct, and you don't qualify each of those judgements with a song and dance about your uncertainty. I'm not quite sure why you've adopted a framework for human rights that requires you to pretend not to know basic shit, but that's between you and your god."

[–]Fusrodamus 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In the first philosophy class I took in college, we got into a discussion about the nature of reality. Do we or any of the people we perceive actually exist? One woman summed it up pretty well: "Regardless of what any of us argue here and now about whether we really exist, when class is over we're all going to go about our business assuming that we do."

We've always been able to tell male from female. People have always known which type of body they must pair with in order to have children. Governments and churches have always known how to identify homosexuals for persecution and death. Masters have always known which slaves they could rape to make more slaves. We've always known which type of body we should keep from voting, holding political office, or owning property.

The confusion depicted in these articles has never in the history of humanity manifested in everyday life. Therefore I declare it to be bullshit.

[–]akkordeonplayer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s psychological warfare.

[–]JasonNecks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's no less real than guitar vs piano, or pamphlet vs book. Or glove vs shoe.

[–]spmlink 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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