"When you pretend the only danger is men "pretending to be trans," you get backed into corners. Males who identify as women DON'T have a lower rate of physically violent criminality than other males, and UK inmate data shows they are more likely than other men to be sex offenders."

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[–]BEB[S] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

In the US, transgenders (according to various studies) have a 19-65% lifetime incarceration rate, compared to a 3% lifetime incarceration rate for the general population with most of those being males.

So transgenders go to jail at a much higher rate than even average American men.

[–]GConly 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

And 20% of them incarcerated (in the Californian penal system) are registered sex offenders.

Bog standard rate for males in prison.

3% lifetime incarceration rate for the general population with most of those being males

It's about 28% for black males. For some reason there are a lot more black TIMs per capita.

The 65% is also from a rather unreliable source. It usually comes in between 16-20%.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For some reason there are a lot more black TIMs per capita.

A main reason there are so many more black TIMs per capita is rampant, deep-seated homophobia amongst black communities/people in North America as well as in the Caribbean, South America and Africa.

[–]BEB[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

20% of TiMs in the California penal system are registered sex offenders?

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. I have a pdf from their own data. It gets posted here now and then.

http://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2013/06/Transgender-Inmates-in-CAs-Prisons-An-Empirical-Study-of-a-Vulnerable-Population.pdfK

In the UK it's 40% of them... However:

The total number of TIM prisoners is lower than it should be, because they didn't look at remand cases who make up a big chunk of the incarcerated. So the percentage overall is about the same.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, transgenders (according to various studies) have a 19-65% lifetime incarceration rate,

I think the "transgender" incarceration rates you are citing refer mainly/solely to males who ID as "trans," not to all "transgenders."

The rate of incarceration for black transgender women is almost twenty times that of the general population, with one in ten black transgender women having spent time behind bars over the past year.

https://www.vera.org/projects/advancing-transgender-justice/learn-more

Trans Equality says that that in the US, 47% of black "transgender women" and 30% of American Indian "transgender women" surveyed have been to prison/jail "for any reason." I've seen other pro-trans groups claiming that 65% of black TIMs have served time behind bars. Combing all races and ethnicities, Trans Equality says

Twenty-one percent (21%) of male-to-female transgender respondents reported having been sent to jail for any reason, in contrast with 10% of female-to-male respondents.

These statistics exceed those of the general population for prisons,in some cases by many times.

A 2003 report of the Department of Justice shows that 2.7% of the general American population is imprisoned at some point in life. However, the Department of Justice report does not include jails, so the general population rate for being held in jail or prison should be higher than the simple prison rate.

Despite this difference, the Department of Justice data provides a useful benchmark. Their data reported an overall rate for males of 4.9%, and for females, 0.5%. They provide only limited racial/ethnic data.

https://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=169

[–]Terfenclaw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In the US, transgenders (according to various studies) have a 19-65% lifetime incarceration rate, compared to a 3% lifetime incarceration rate for the general population with most of those being males.

Can you link a source for this?

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In addition to the sources BEB has provided, see the ones in my post on this thread. And the other ones you can find in my post history on saidit.

Pro-trans researchers and campaign organizations routinely trumpet and highlight the sky-high incarceration rates of TIMs as evidence of rampant transphobia. My sense is, discriminatory attitudes towards gay men, male transvestites and prostitutes of both sexes probably does come into play in a number of cases that cause TIMs to end up behind bars. But at the same time, some of us suspect that the sky-high rates of incarceration amongst TIMs are also reflective of higher rates of criminality amongst them.

Interestingly, what evidence there is so far shows that compared to the rest of the female population, TIFs have higher rates of criminality and incarceration as well.

[–]ColoredTwice 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Narcissism means that they empathise with people less and that others are just substitutes to them and not real persons.

Because of this - I see nothing strange in increased crime rate.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

PRISON HEALTH June 2018 Creating, Reinforcing, and Resisting the Gender Binary: A Qualitative Study of Transgender Women’s Healthcare Experiences in Sex-Segregated Jails and Prisons Reisner

Lifetime estimates of incarceration range from 19% to 65% among transgender women (Reisner et al., 2014, Garofalo et al., 2006, Clements et al., 1999, Grant et al., 2011), compared to less than 3% of the U.S. general population (Glaze and Kaeble, 2014).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5992494/

(Another study) US Transgender prison incarceration rates crime

Overall, 19.3% of transgender women respondents reported having ever been in jail/prison in their lifetime. In a multivariable model with sociodemographics (Table 1, Model 1), respondents with a history of incarceration were somewhat more likely to be binary gender-identified and significantly more likely to be people of color, have low income, have lower educational attainment, be publicly insured or uninsured compared to privately insured, and to have been sampled in-person compared to online. No significant differences in geographic region or medical gender affirmation between transgender women with and without history of incarceration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5441521/

Study done in California http://ucicorrections.seweb.uci.edu/files/2013/06/A-Demographic-Assessment-of-Transgender-Inmates-in-Mens-Prisons.pdf

[–]adungitit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like even IF castrated men were safer than regular men, I still wouldn't want them in female spaces for the same reason I wouldn't want any man in female spaces by virtue of him saying so.