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[–]RiverSong 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

I can't even put into words how gross that guy is to me!

I wonder how many other Sam Smiths are out there, that this ghoul convinced they are genderspecials, who would have otherwse just been GNC.

[–]VioletRemi[S] 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Looks like it even worse:

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/22574/_/6cad9665-1ea2-4a98-ac7f-7fec5f79b192#comment-6cad9665-1ea2-4a98-ac7f-7fec5f79b192

A memo reportedly circulating Twitter states that the term “pedophile(s)” is considered hate speech and saying that “Minor-Attracted Person (MAP)” is a gender and a protected class.

“The term ‘pedophile’ should not be used when referring to child abusers because not all minor attracted people abuse kids,” a spokesperson for CNN was reportedly heard saying.

[–]GConly 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

What's with pedos latching onto LGB stuff?

PIE did that back in the seventies in the UK with gay rights.

[–]BEB 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And in the US, NAMBLA (North American Man/boy Love Association) used to be affiliated with the gay rights movement until the lesbians protested.

[–]jet199 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Dr Em has a paedo manifesto which outlines their tactics.

https://twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258039511670784?s=19

https://archive.is/HQxWA

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus Christ.

So it's okay as long as the parents pimp them out?

I now feel quite ill.

[–]emptiedriver 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

wow, this is incredible. I feel like this has not got enough exposure - how did this not scare the bejeezus out of everyone, peak anyone still asleep and bring together LGB movements to ensure they had safeguards and clear defenses laid out? But I guess the big LGBT orgs are already infiltrated by money, happy enough to take up that cause if it's what's next, and people who actually find this sickening have no power.

Still. This could not be acceptable to most people. It's only that it is allowed to be planned in Silicon Valley and people are allowed to be more unwell online or something...

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

She tweeted it out before she got into writing articles (which are a lot easier to share) so it did kind of get lost.

[–]WildApples 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I fully support gay rights and I thought conservatives were being hysterical when they said it would be a slippery slope, but they were not wrong. It sucks that gay rights is being tainted with all of this craziness.

[–]Finnegan7921 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Everything the right said about the left 10 years ago has come true.

[–]linguine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

what else has come true?

[–]Finnegan7921 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The right portrayed the left as anti-religion(which they are), gun grabbers(they're already trying) socialist/communists(which they are turning into), soft on crime(look at any D run big city in the US), think that the gov't can handle everything better than the private sector(which they clearly think), want the gov't to tell parents how to raise their kids(which they advocate), would start banning books(already doing it), would seek to curtail free speech(bingo), would open the southern border(they sure did).....

[–]eddyelric 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most pedos think being gay is a fetish like them.

[–]RiverSong 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! I hate it!

In my country a party is on the rise that once had members who wanted to decriminalize pedophilia. - Right now they are "just" pushing for self-ID. Maybe they'll get back to pedophilia, once they declared that men can officially be women.

[–]WildApples 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was shocked by this part of the story, but it appears to be false. I cannot find any other sources that confirm this. Also, why would a spokesperson for CNN be speaking on behalf of Twitter? When I do a search for that supposed quote, results come up about the Australian Broadcasting Company circulating a memo with the same contents that were ascribed to Twitter.

[–]jet199 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It wouldn't surprise me if celebrities are purposely targeted, just like scientology targets them.

I still think Ellen Page timed her coming out to bury the Keira Bell decision. I doubt she planned that completely alone.

[–]RiverSong 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. Those two probably were easy targets. Self-hating homosexual people who wanted to belong to some sort of community, I guess.

Now their community is using them to further their cause, and they'll spit them out as soon as they are not useful anymore.

[–]GConly 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like everybody else, I’ve been a cute little girl,”

Putting on an oversized princess dress so you can wank in it, is not being a cute little girl.

He's gross.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I swear Big Tech is obsessed with committing corporate suicide. How can the board of directors defend this? Surely they're aware.

Fetishes aren't sexualities.

[–]our_team_is_winning 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Fetishes aren't sexualities.

That should be its own sub! (Imagine how fast reddit would take that down!)

I swear the general public has yet to grasp that concept. All these AGP claiming they're "being their true selves, finally embracing who I've always been" etc. They're straight men with a fetish. And a grouping of LGBF for fetish should never be a thing.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Like I'm still at a loss as to how we ended up with men in dog suits at Pride parades, let alone men in womanface.

[–]pancakewaffle 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I only recently found out about AGP. There's only so much I can read in one day before going "Where the fuck are we in life?"

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

AGP awareness needs so much more press. They've already started their "it's pseudo-science" to dismiss it, but people need to know about it. That's why I'm furious Rand Paul didn't begin his questioning of Dr. Levine with "What is autogynephilia?"

[–]Matroskin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Any good sources to debunk the pseudo-science claim? They claim Blanchard has been debunked, but never show how and where, as far as I've seen. Is there any recent research on this, or is Blanchard the latest?

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish I knew about any updates to Blanchard. Instead all you find are TRA with their questionable studies.

I hesitate to link to this vile man "Julia" (eyeroll) Serano, but he has a list that he claims goes against Blanchard, including one that says women (you know, "cis women") are also sexually attracted to themselves. Here is one of the studies on his blog: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260718404_Evidence_Against_a_Typology_A_Taxometric_Analysis_of_the_Sexuality_of_Male-to-Female_Transsexuals

Here is the disturbed man's actual blog that lists more: https://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-real-autogynephilia-deniers.html Oddly he has a PhD in a STEM field.

[–]WildApples 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish it was corporate suicide, but it's not. I have waited in vain for a scandal to break Facebook, but they always shake it off because people will not stop using their products. Tech companies put in concerted effort to be intertwined in all aspects of our lives and to make us dependent on them. They rule our lives, and they know it. They have the power and money to sway governments, and they have the power to control information to shape narratives and to stop people from organizing. If something like this somehow managed to cause a major scandal that they cannot suppress with their tech powers, they will simply blame the current CEO and go back to business as usual.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I read credible speculation that the master plan is to start calling being attracted to minors a "sexual orientation" and then to compare it to being gay. It's already started. For instance, "pedophile" has now been renamed "Minor Attracted Person" (MAP). Sounds not as sinister as pedophile, right?

[–]MarkTwainiac 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the position of James Cantor and some other sexologists. Their reasoning is that therapy & support will reduce pedophiles' chances of acting on their urges/attractions/fantasies, but pedophiles will never seek help for the condition if they are too ashamed to admit they have it & have grounds to fear they will be considered/called sick, vile, disgusting and so on. I'm not saying that's my view. It's the view I've heard from Cantor and others.

Where this view falls apart is that there seem to be a whole lot of men in the world who have sexual attractions, fantasies and proclivities that are harmful or potentially harmful, deadly even, and feel no shame about them at all. Coz there's something very wrong with them, and they are missing parts of the psyche and a sense of personal responsibility that most human beings have. Reminds me of the end scene in the TV movie about the Green River Killer where the cop who's been seeking and investigating the killer for decades finally gets to ask him, "What's the difference between a guy like you and a guy like me?" And the killer answers, "Caring."

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And then they'll move to "well, what is a minor?" and talk about countries with a low age of consent. Already we have Democrats trying to lower the voting age to 16. I learned in school that the human brain isn't fully developed until 25. If anything, we should raise ages for things. Alcohol got raised back to 21.

But guaranteed the push for a lower age of consent is coming. Didn't one European country, maybe Sweden, say it was okay for migrants to bring in child brides even though Swedish girls couldn't marry so young, they would recognize migrant child brides? I should find that article. I can imagine they will use migrant cultures to get their foot in the door because then if you say it's wrong, they can call you "racist."

[–]BEB 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope that people don't fall as easily as they did to gender ideology to propaganda about lowering the age of consent, but if the same master propagandists are at work, I do fear mass acceptance.

I mean, five or so years ago it was "I just wanna pee" and now the president of the United States is signing executive orders that are obliterating many of the things women have fought for for millennia.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yep, I've been following this for some time as well (a sensitive topic given for how decades LGB were branded as pedophiles themselves). This whole "children can consent to gender transition" is a big wind-up to the pedophilia legalization arguments that will inevitably be made.

I can assure you, there will be a time quite soon when the government takes it upon itself to start taking children from parents (for "protection of trans youth"), and government agents' heads are going to start getting blown off.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not disagreeing with you here, just trying to amplify on one point: I don't think it's really accurate to say that in previous eras "LGB were branded as pedophiles themselves." I think that charge/stigma was mostly or even exclusively aimed at the G, meaning gay men and boys.

Female sexuality was traditionally perceived and portrayed as quite passive, weak and anodyne compared to male sexuality, so even people who linked homosexuality to pedophilia didn't generally or necessarily see lesbians as a threat to children the way they might have seen gay boys and men. Also, females regardless of sexuality have never had a criminal or sexual offending pattern on par with males, so female people are generally not portrayed or feared as potential sex predators the way males are.

Growing up, most kids learn to be wary of the stock figure of the "dirty old man" and the kind of guy who hangs around parks and school nabes to wave his dick at kids or try to spirit them away to molest them. But we're generally not told - by adults or other kids - that there's a female equivalent of these guys. And for kid reason, coz there really isn't. Yes, some women are pedophiles. But most pedophiles and sex offenders are male.

For example, in Lillian Hellman's classic The Children's Hour (play version first published in 1934, William Wyler's movie version with Audrey Hepburn & Shirey MacLaine made in 1961), two women who ran a girls' boarding school were accused by a disgruntled student of having a lesbian relationship because she knows this will get the women into hot water - but neither the student or anyone else suggests that this could mean the teachers might have put a finger on any of the girls. The entire premise is that women perceived to be lesbians would be seen as inappropriate role models for teachers/heads of a girls' school - no indication is made, not even in hush-hush tones, that women who might be lesbians would go so far as to sexually prey upon their students.

As for bisexuals, I don't recall bisexuals across the board being demonized as potential child molesters the way gay males once were. I don't think bisexuals as a distinct group registered enough in the popular consciousness to get mischaracterized in this particular way.

At the same time, though, once greater awareness of the prevalence of child sex abuse began to dawn in the 1970s, there was widespread recognition amongst wide swathes of people of varying views - feminists, lesbians, gay males, homophobes, the religious right, therapists - that pedophiles are a) primarily males and b) commonly attracted to and will prey on children of both sexes. So some people might have linked bisexuality with pedophilia as a result.

[–]ColoredTwice 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By the society bisexual men are seen as homosexual and bisexual women are seen as heterosexual. So most likely bisexual men were just piled together with homosexual men.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this is all true, and I probably should've done a quick then-vs-now cross-check before blithely declaring it a "LGB" vs "G".

people who linked homosexuality to pedophilia didn't generally or necessarily see lesbians as a threat to children

IIRC, lesbianism is widely ignored in many countries where homosexuality is still illegal, ostensibly for the gist of this reason/an assumption that perversion only equals penetration equals male (not entirely unfounded, as you go on to point out from the empirical evidence).

It's probably worth noting that throughout much of history, public spectacles of gay men likely evoked the same type of revulsion in the public consciousness that the foulest of TRAs do today. But aside from the few stereotyped, sensationalized cases of female teachers seducing their teen charges, the perps harming children are indeed by-and-large male.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Similar to how the phrase "incel to transcel pipeline" describes just that, we need a name for this phenomenon where trans people reveal their own pedophilia or support other people's. Oftentimes it is someone already involved with supporting unethical practices such as children transitioning. Autopedophilia seems involved in some way. Other than that, I'm not sure what else to add or how else to phrase it. Might make a separate post for more visibility.

[–]eddyelric 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please do.

[–]VioletRemi[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Archived version: https://archive.is/v02pH

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This guy's already a known pedo. Mags exposed him.

[–]hfxB0oyA 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At what point does Twitter / its employees face real-life consequences for their degeneracy?

[–]EvaWumben 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This dude needs to go