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[–]Omina_Sentenziosa 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I 100% believe he lost on purpose so that it can be used as a proof that TIMs can lose against women.

I honestly think that destroying women' s rights is the only thing that would make men like him willing to throw away a trophy.

[–]WildApples 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have not been following the Olympics at all, but when I saw headlines that he lost all three events I immediately suspected him of throwing the competition for political reasons. Now he can be a history-making hero without and sympathetic female pulling focus from him, and now people will use this as supposed proof that there can be fair competitions between males and females.

[–]FlippyKing 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The son of a billionaire who has no need for any of the fame or the glory would just as easily throw a game as they would womanhood claim. (pardon my attempt at making a rhyme)

I don't know too much about what L. Man Hubbard did, but Hubbard did compete as a man, so there is no possibility of suddenly forgetting good form or any of that. I don't think the athlete sets the weight they lift or if they are allowed to change the weight on subsequent attempts, but if they do set their own weight on their initial lifts then it is possible to pick a weight too high for a first lift as there are a lot of factors-- all of which Hubby (ha, a shortened form of the word husband as in man) is well aware of and experienced enough to avoid. Comparing what the hubbster has lifted in the past and what will be lifted in any future competitions will also give a hint towards any chicanery going on.

I know one tiny thing, which may not apply to the olympics or to every weight or power lifting event. In listening to Mark Rippetoe talk about trans and about male and female athletes, he mentioned his own experience training a woman weight lifter or power lifter. Their are formulas (or a formula) for how mush weight to increase from lift to lift, and based on how a lifter's first lift goes, the coach and athlete figure what to attempt going forward. He had no experience coaching women before this. His recommendation for her lead to failure because she could not make the lifts she attempted after the first one. He since learned that women can lift for more reps a weight very close to the maximum amount they can lift for one rep than men. Or, put another way, a woman's max for one rep is much close in weight to what they can do for 2 reps or 3 than a man. He saw the woman he was working with lift a weight, she expressed how she felt she could have got a few more reps out of it or something, and he gave her a weight to attempt on the second lift based on his work with men. The increase was too much. He since has altered the way he trains women and has found better success.

I've mentioned his youtube videos/podcasts about the trans athletes issue a couple of times, but with the Olympics going on now, it's worth mentioning again-- though I don't have the links handy. Any search will come up with them easily, "Rippetoe Trans atheletes" or Rippetoe Male Female differnces" should get the two videos pretty easily.

[–]Vari4 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No. We need to stop saying this.

He didn't loose on purpose.

He was absolutely able to lift the weight. He just failed to do this with the correct technique and was therefore disqualified.

The narrative we need to push isn't that he lost on purpose.

The narative we need to push is that he (1) demonstrated very clearly that he has a strength advantage and, (2) demonstrated that he lacks the appropriate skill and talent to compete at this level.

What let him down wasn't his extra muscle and strength.

What let him down was that he was a lazy piece of shit that couldn't get the technique right.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No. We need to stop saying this.

The narrative we need to push isn't that he lost on purpose.

The narative we need to push is that he (1) demonstrated very clearly that he has a strength advantage and, (2) demonstrated that he lacks the appropriate skill and talent to compete at this level.

It's not up to you to dictate to other people what "we need to stop saying" and for you to decide "the narrative we need to push."

You do you. But you are not the boss of the rest of us.

[–]Vari4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's not up to you to dictate to me who I can dictate things too!

It's not for you to decide what narrative I push about which narratives others push!

You don't have the authority to tell me that I'm not the boss of you!

[–]kwallio 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you watch the video its pretty apparent that he threw the weights away on purpose. He threw the competition.

[–]copenseethe 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It certainly looked like he dropped it on purpose.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't seen anything in the media about it, yet.

I was thinking Hubbard's options were to throw the competition or win handily.

Funnily, while searching, I found the CBC's most based article yet on 'inclusion' in the Olympics:

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, most certainly. This was the plan all along.