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[–]Baileyscheesecakes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hear you. I had heard positive things about the Sisterhood of Avalon, yet discovered that they, too, include men who identify as women. Ironically, they acknowledge the difference between male and female.

The only women's group you can safely start is a private one where you can selectively invite women you know. That doesn't help the women out there wanting a female-only circle who don't have connections. So much for the days when you could join a women's group and talk about Mary Daly or Zusanna Budapest or Starhawk, although Starhawk later drank the gender Koolaid.

I can say that at least one Pagan organization has not made official statements regarding gender ideology and doesn't mention it in its teaching materials. More trans and non-binary people have joined in the last few years, but so far, the organization has chosen not to take sides. I'm both relieved and apprehensive, wondering if it is just a matter of time before they say "TWAW."

[–]SkepticalHPS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ve been involved in initiatory Wicca for a few years (so, not women only) but trans politics have poisoned the well so badly. It’s now transphobic to say that fertility only occurs between men and women because it’s not ~inclusive~ anymore. But the people who screech the loudest about being ~inclusive~ are the biggest bullies. That and some other issues have made me so sick of 99% of the community and IMO the “general” Pagan community is worse and will jump down your throat if you dare have the most minor disagreements on practice or personal politics.

I don’t think I even want to start a coven at this point because I’d have to pretend that “non-binary” isn’t a bunch of sexist bullshit and get cut off from the community for not being able to take it anymore.