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[–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sex refers to a method of reproduction that occurs naturally in many species, including our own. Any explanation about what sex an individual might be must be seen in that context or it is missing the point. In species that reproduce sexually there are two and only two sexes that participate in that reproduction and that reproduction is a process where the small mobile gametes from a male of the species and the large immobile gamete of a female of the species join together to begin the process of creating a child of the species. In our species the word "men" refers to males and the word "women" refers to females.

If technology does any of the things you mention, then the technology is doing it and not the person. To conflate technology with sex only muddies the waters. Sex does not refer to the act of intercourse, though the straight "bias" in society would equate intercourse with the act of sexual reproduction. (In that way, "sex toys" are a misnomer, they should be called intercourse toys or orgasmic toys.)

If you cut a man's genitals off, you removed part of him. You may find words to label that status of being a man with genitals removed, and you may argue he is not a man or you may argue he is a man but I will not argue either side and simply call him a victim of mutilation. If you surgically create something on such a person that can be penetrated by a penis in imitation of a vagina, that creation is not a vagina and the person does not become a woman (see the first paragraph, above). I guess you could call it a surgically created bodily appendage designed for men to penetrate, but that doesn't have a nice ring to it. In any event it is something that is as foreign to the person as an earring, it is not of or even by the person. At best a surgeon could be said to have placed a fuck-toy onto a person, but that is the surgeon's doing and no more a reflection of the person it is on than anything thing else placed on someone by someone else, like a "kick me" sign.

Same with taking drugs. Taking estrogen does not make a man a woman any more than taking LSD makes a anyone into a cosmic being extending across the breadth and depth of the universe. It just makes the person on drugs.

[–]HangingWithMyNothing[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You may find words to label that status of being a man with genitals removed, and you may argue he is not a man or you may argue he is a man but I will not argue either side and simply call him a victim of mutilation.

Are you claiming someone becomes sexless and stops being a man or woman if they remove their sex organs?

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For two reasons you can not infer that from what I typed. By what you quoted from me I am OBVIOUSLY NOT saying that, and instead I point to the fact that they are mutilated which I think is a much more important attribute of the hypothetical person in question. But also I think in my first sentence taking the idea of a person's sex as being separate from the way reproduction is built into a person's body misses the point.

[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stating the obvious can get you banned from many platforms these days.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Steel Beaches by John Varley has characters who can actually change sex. Basically the desired body is cloned and you're transferred into it. That's what I think it'd take, which isn't to say impossible, but way out of reach of what we can do now. The gender transition surgeries of today are barbaric.