Are penis and clitoris the same things? Are penises large clitorises, and clitorises small penises?

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I happened to find this tweet that claims "a vagina is an inverted penis, and a penis is an outwards vagina": https://twitter.com/thenursemattie/status/1430847255699918850

https://twitter.com/thotscholar/status/1431256083700535297

they literally already teach us this in biology: that fetuses begin as "female" and if they have the right DNA their genitals "fall out" and become a penis. the foreskin is analogous to the clitoral hood (part of why circumcision is bad). the clit is a compact dick.

https://twitter.com/SymbioticWrld/status/1431515268337975309

Clitoris is a small penis, and penis is a big clitoris: https://www.ohjoysextoy.com/genitals/

Another tweet corrected it in some places, but claims it's the clitoris that becomes a penis during embryonic development, making clitoris and penis the same things apparently?: https://twitter.com/Unicorn_999/status/1431106925165436930

https://twitter.com/sextoyspolitics/status/1431373520257228808

The shaft skin of a penis is homologous to the vagina; the glans penis = the glans clitoris, and the internal structures of the penile shaft = the subsurface clitoral "legs" that extend down along the sides of the vulva

Just because male and female sex organs are homologous, they are the same things?

Yet another tweet claiming that men start with vaginas and grow penises from the vaginas: https://twitter.com/BearProletarian/status/1431269791562670088

We begin with vaginas and grow penises

This article claims female and male sex organs are the same things, penis is vagina, vagina is penis, and they aren't different: https://medium.com/@transphilosophr/what-is-girldick-9363515e0bfd

There is another wrinkle we need to address before wrapping up our analysis of girldick: some trans femmes do not think of their genitals as “dicks”. They prefer to think of them as large clits.

From the perspective of developmental biology this is actually medically accurate.

[inserts image of sex organs and their development]

It’s medically accurate for medical experts to say Gender Confirmation Surgery for trans women truly creates a vagina through the inversion of the penis. It’s merely reversing biological mistake that happened during fetal development.

Thus, for the trans women that have strong genital dysphoria, they do not have “girldicks” — they just have extra large clits that need to be inverted and restored (confirmed) to their correct anatomical configuration.

Are penises and clitorises the same things? Did penis develop from clitoris, making them the same things?

Are penises large clitorises, and clitorises small penises?

Since male and female sex organs come from the same place during development, does it mean an inverted penis is a clitoris, and a clitoris is an "outwards penis" or whatever the opposite of inverted is?

If you answer no to all of these, please share your explanation. Why wouldn't an inverted penis be a clitoris, and an outwards clitoris a penis, when they are homologous and come from the same place?

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[–]jet199 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

No, women don't piss out of their clits.

[–]filbs111 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

neither do guys, FWIW.

[–]Spotted_Lady 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, since men lack a clitoris.

But not only is the penis analogous to a clitoris, but the urethra grows onto the bottom side of the penis.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Attempting to claim that dick = clit is as retarded as the "If man descended from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?" argument against evolution.

Physical sexual expression is a result of differentiation that takes place during development of the embryo. You can think of it as that dicks and clits have common ancestors, but that's as far as it goes. It's like asking if male and female orgasms are the same. Sure there are similarities but no, they are clearly not the same.

[–]Spotted_Lady 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They are the same up until, I think, the 5th week of gestation. At that point, about 3 genes on the Y chromosome become active. That causes a rush of DHT, thus stunting the "Mullerian tubes" and causing the "Wolfian Tubes" to develop. Thus what would have been the clitoris and the urethra start to grow, along with all the other differences. What would have been the labia closes up, etc.

[–]Michael_frf 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Homology isn't everything. A lemon is quite obviously "just" a distorted orange. Yet due to superficial differences in the acid and sugar content of the juice, eating a lemon as if it were an orange or grapefruit is something you'd only do on a dare.

[–]xandit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

are Testicles Ovaries? why ignore that?

[–]filbs111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm no expert. I have watched some internet videos about female bodybuilders. I understand they are sort of morphs of eachother, similar to how a bird is like a dinosaur, or how a human fingernail is like a horse's hoof. Whether they are "the same thing" is semantics.