Influx of trans butch women?

submitted by Fuckyoucensorship from self.Lesbians

tldr: why are there so many butch transwomen and why are they hailed as the ideal version of butch women?

Tumblr of course is a mess, I won't deny that in taking it with a grain of salt but I saw it on reddit as well before I left, of transwomen claiming to be butch.

It strikes me as really odd, and a little unnerving. I've struggled with my gender/sex for many years so I can understand the odd dynamic but that's because I'm pretty masculine.

That being said as a butch woman myself it's almost a little disheartening as I would like other butch friends to get along with and have some sense of camaraderie in shared experiences. I know I'm not the only butch woman kicking around but it's weird to see transwomen pushing into a space that they technically had prior to transitioning having been born male and masculine by nature. Why go through all the trouble to just appear masculine anyway when you already were? Better yet I saw some guy just claiming to be a butch lesbian, him/he pronouns and a full ass beard. Shit was odd.

It's also weird to see femme lesbians put trans butch women on a pedastal of what "butch womanhood" is. I know my own issues come into play but it's just odd to me. How can you put a man on the pedastal of what a butch woman is when you're attracted to women, or at least claim to be? (Don't get me wrong bi women exist and are great I've only ever dated bi women and they're amazing) but why do I need to go 3 layers deep to achieve this "ideal" version when this space is supposed to exist for masculine women who are attracted to women. Shouldn't the ideal butch be a woman?

I know I'm still brand new to the lesbian community, and I don't really have that much of a dog in this fight but fuck does it piss me off. I had become aware of the community being some what of a mess I didn't know it was that bad...

What about women like Tracy Chapman? Seeing actual butch/stud women struck a chord with me and helped to break the negative idea I had of my gender and sexuality and to see men potentially ruining that for other young women is heart breaking. If I saw only that as and idea of what being butch was I'd still be thinking I was a transman.

I'm just floored. What happened? 8 years ago this wasn't the case. You'd have to really dig to find a lesbian transwoman, now they're everywhere.

I just had to rant and get this off my chest in a community I knew wouldn't shout me down.

Much love to you ladies.

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[–]Gearbeta 61 insightful - 3 fun61 insightful - 2 fun62 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Butch transwomen are straight men. They're identifying that way because then they literally have to do nothing to get sweet TRA virtue points. And they get a free pass to harass lesbians. There's more of them now because LGBT groups have thrown us under the bus. And the lesbians putting them on a pedestal are not lesbians. Or they are stupid or also virtue signaling.

[–][deleted] 34 insightful - 3 fun34 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

It's beyond gross. On dating apps I see men use "butch dyke" on their profile and think because they've smeared lipstick on it's okay. Obviously half of them are into BDSM. No connection there I'm sure.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 9 fun27 insightful - 8 fun28 insightful - 9 fun -  (4 children)

Butches don’t even wear lipstick. Lol. Clearly they don’t have the guidebook

[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 7 fun23 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

Well duh, clearly the lipstick is what makes them a woman and being a man makes them butch! That's just science.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Loooool. Robert smith is a butch woman, who knew

[–]oofreesouloo 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was going to say the exact same thing 🤣

[–][deleted] 31 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It’s definitely one of the more creepy trends I’ve seen. It’s like AGP and violent misogyny combined. Most seem sadistic. Call themselves “tops” but with a real incel flair. If anything is worriesome to see young lesbians falling for, it’s the idea of trans butch.

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    [–]Fuckyoucensorship[S] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Music is therapy during these crazy times

    [–]CatsOrGoHome 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    They do it because they clearly don't pass and want an easy way into our community without getting called out as men. What easier way than to steal yet another of our words? I'm tired.

    [–][deleted] 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    lesbians is a special club now and everybody wants in. straight dudes? lesbian! women attracted to those dudes? also lesbian! they enable each other while kicking us to the deep recesses of the internet lol. just gotta keep trying to make spaces they won't invade & voicing our opinions in ways that give young lesbians a lifeline to find us. loathe the hostility involved but that seems to be what it takes right now.

    [–]lmaonope333 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    I went to a therapy clinic and they assigned me a "butch" transwoman. Needless to say I refused to start therapy with him and I'm looking for a new therapist

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      [–]arc-en-ciel 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      It's a straight man who identifies as a woman who calls himself "butch" because he dresses and acts masculine- an ordinary straight guy with extra labels. Though sometimes I've seen these dudes wear makeup and lipstick and still call themselves "butch" which I don't know is just as stupid or stupider.

      [–]yousaythosethings 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This just happened to me too and it really freaked me out considering the basis for which I was seeking therapy and How I stressed the importance of the therapist being female. If you don’t mind me asking, was this a brick and mortar clinic or an online service?

      [–]Dykexmachina 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ugh fuck that!

      [–]VioletRemi 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Because those men are just lazy to make good make-up or try to pass. I think this is the only reason why they chosing "butch" way. And they have nothing to do with Butch women, and they aren't even close to butch women or even tomboy women.

      [–]a_blue_bird 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      It's also weird to see femme lesbians put trans butch women on a pedastal of what "butch womanhood" is.

      A woman who sees a male as the ideal version of a woman is nowhere close to being gay. Every other woman claims to be a lesbian these days, and her husband is ''just that one exception, like every lesbian has, am I right girls??''. Just ignore all the fakes and wannabes.

      [–]Butch_Dyke 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ugh, yes! There are sooo many bi girls/women who are calling themselves lesbians nowadays, and it seriously pisses me off! So-called "lesbians" on r/actuallesbians would be fangirling about their MALE celebrity crushes, and giving detailed descriptions of how much they enjoyed past sexual experiences with men. 😒

      [–]knownasness 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      i have never understood it. you were a man for your entire life, why change that if you're just gonna be a masculine version of a woman? JUST BE YOURSELF. no need for change. no need for transitioning. it's all so stupid.

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        [–]Fuckyoucensorship[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Well said. I see them crop up on dating apps and its confusing to me. I'd venture to guess they detrans once they sort out their internal issues.

        [–]sallyseton 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        So a regular bloke without the dress.

        [–]southpaw 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I have never been on Tumblr in my life. I just went on there and typed in “ butch trans women.” It started off with A LOT of Eli Erlick pics and I was like ok, whatever but then it got weird. Like real weird. Is Tumblr just like Instagram for activists? I don’t really do social media.

        [–]Fuckyoucensorship[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Ya it is. Oddly enough you can predict what new bs the far leftists will come up with at least 6 months before it reaches mainstream. No way that the fbi doesn't have plants on that site. All of the trans explosion you see now I got a wiff of at least 1 year prior via tumblr, especially all the neogenders (xir/xi stuff like that) cropped up on tumblr.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Transbutchwomen is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.

        They are men. I wish that they would stop hijacking lesbian culture.

        [–]Dykexmachina 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Trans "butch lesbian" males make me angry like nothing else. All their life they grew up straight, never had to deal with homophobia, lived in a male body and got treated as straight men all their lives, then they slap on the "butch lesbian" label because they feel like a lesbian on the inside (how the fuck would they know how that feels?) and nothing about their appearance or their lives changes in any material way whatsoever. And then they speak over us and get to be the spokesperson on what being a butch lesbian is, and what's worse is that they actually get taken seriously by the LGBT community. They know absolutely nothing about what it's like to be a gender nonconforming female or a lesbian. NONE of their actual, material life experiences have anything in common with actual butch lesbians. Being butch is a female-specific experience. They are appropriating and erasing us. Which is especially harmful to us because we are already such a small minority within a minority. It's literally dystopian to me that anyone takes these creepy fetishishtic sraight men seriously at all.

        [–]cervix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        It's also weird to see femme lesbians put trans butch women on a pedastal of what "butch womanhood" is. I know my own issues come into play but it's just odd to me. How can you put a man on the pedastal of what a butch woman is when you're attracted to women, or at least claim to be?

        They're not femme lesbians. They're bisexual women.

        I'm starting to get real tired of this "blame the femmes" game everyone seems to be playing these days. The radfems claim that we're the reason butch women transition, and the butch lesbians think we prefer men over masculine women and constantly feel threatened. Meanwhile, actual femme lesbians are just that. Lesbians. Females attracted to females. It's not our fault that bi women love masquerading as us so much. It's not that complicated: if it's a woman and it wants dick, it's not a femme lesbian.

        [–]Fuckyoucensorship[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I agree with all of that. Certainly hope I didn't come across as blaming "femmes". That wasn't what I was trying to say. I'm aware they're bisexual women if that's the case. Nothing wrong with bi women, thats just a different camp.

        But coming from a butch who was a transman for 4 years let me voice now that my decision to try and transition had little to do with femme's. Femmes loved me as a butch. Bi women loved me as a transman. Both were equally feminine in my mind but it wasn't enough because I didn't view myself as someone worth loving as a masculine woman. Not to the fault of femmes. Femmes loved me where and how I was. In fact femmes saw me as I was and loved me in that place. If you or anyone else doesn't find that beautiful there's something wrong.

        My point being don't shoulder that blame, even though you seem to know that I want to tell you that anyway. My issues with my biological sex only arise from my own issues and disgust of it. My attraction and relationship to women is a nice cherry ontop to my own issues. It just so happens the cherry on top is the easiest to vocalize for those who don't want to do the legwork and figure out what's going on.

        But I agree with what you said, I didn't phrase it very clearly but the implication is it being annoying to sort through fakes to get to the real deal, and while my brain knows thats not a lesbian my emotions and past issues don't. Hopefully that is phrased better. Be well and keep your head up high my friend.