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[–]yousaythosethings 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It’s all tied together with the gender issue. Most of the posters there have not or never will be in any kind of sexual or romantic pairing with a female as a female. So they only have stereotypes to talk about of what they imagine that’s like and what they imagine it’s like to be gay, or even bisexual; or even female. Most of it is low effort role play. It never even sounds like women interacting with one another. Because it generally isn’t. The vast majority of the actual women who post there are mostly bisexual at best and they can’t even talk about a single reality of being attracted to women or having had a relationship with women because it’s deemed inherently transphobic.

Lesbianism is absolutely being marketed as a lifestyle. I picked up on that in the late-bloomer lesbian subreddit. I’ve written a lot of analysis on that in here, particularly analyzing the “lesbian master doc” and discussions of “comphet” that have become popularized on Reddit. In short, they have completely detached lesbianism from the female body. It is ONLY a lifestyle to them.

But actual exclusive female same sex attraction is not trendy. Only pairings where one or both “lesbians” has a penis or is open to penis. It’s rough for actual teenage lesbians right now. Abigail Shrier covered this in her book. Almost no women are openly lesbians anymore because it’s “exclusionary.” The only open “lesbians” are men.

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Wow, your first paragraph is absolutely enlightening. You put it perfectly - they get their idea of lesbianism solely from stereotypical fantasies and that's what they base their 'lesbianism' off of, as if it's a trendy lifestyle. And you're absolutely right that being truly lesbian isn't trendy; it's considered transphobic and bigoted these days. That's why they spend so much time 'validating' trans people. I'm still shocked they banned truelesbians and fail to see that it's kind of homophobic banning lesbians for not wanting dick??

But anyway, I feel like a lot of the woman there aren't even bisexual at the very least, but are what you call 'bicurious.' They like the idea and fantasy of being in a lesbian relationship for the sake of being in one and not because it's what they naturally are attracted to. It's why so many of them play up on the awkward/lonely lesbian trope, but when presented with an opportunity to pursue an actual lesbian relationship, they suddenly become 'too picky' or 'too shy' because they'd have to confront the reality of their fantasy.

[–]lovelyspearmint 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I've had that happen before. I started chatting with a woman who called herself a lesbian, complained about being discriminated in her home town for being a lesbian (because she had crazy coloured hair, which I feel she brought onto herself idk), but then completely ghosted me when we spent more time together. She's a good case of 'I like the idea of being a lesbian and overcoming oppression, but not actually experiencing true oppression and being in an actual lesbian relationship'. I should've realised she was a straight queer.

[–]babystud 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the ones who yell about being the gayest are always the same ones who are “too shy to date women” and “find women intimidating so I’ll just date men” or wouldn't do more than kiss a girl

[–]VioletRemi 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most of them seems to be fetishists too in those subs. They've raised on porn or movies or games, where in all "lesbian" relationships one of them is at least bisexual (or both of them straight and all this was only to arouse a man), or have sex with man, or even if they are true lesbians - on of them is pregnant. There never anything lesbian related in big media without penis involved. And #lesbian is most popular tag on porn sites as well...so many straight or bi women are saying they are lesbian, as it is just "sexy" and lifestyle.

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    [–]yousaythosethings 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Here is my analysis of the Lesbian Master Doc that is pushed in r/LBL to determine if you’re a lesbian suffering from CompHet. There are other comments from me providing additional analysis throughout the thread. And full disclosure, I’m coming from the perspective of being an LBL myself.

    P.S. I like your username. I learned that word from watching Blue Is the Warmest Color.

    [–]BigMommyMilkers 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Almost no women are openly lesbians anymore because it’s “exclusionary.” The only open “lesbians” are men.

    Is this true though? Perhaps among the 18-22 year old university students and handmaidens. Homosexual females are an incredibly tiny minority overall, and perhaps anecdotal, but the only "lesbians" I've seen who care to be woke about the trans stuff are actually bisexual women or lesbians who have issues with their own transgender identity. The majority of homosexual females are fine with being openly lesbian and couldn't give a single fuck about who it excludes.

    [–]yousaythosethings 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I’m in a woke epicenter so here even overtly feminine and not “queer looking” lesbians consider themselves non-binary. Including women in their 30s. Shit is rough.

    [–][deleted] 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I've noticed this too. Some people seem to think being a lesbian is an aesthetic, like how being emo or scene were the "alternative" aesthetics when I was a teenager.

    I'm 26 and I notice it most in some online lesbian fandom spaces, where there are often a lot of teens/college kids. A lot of them on Twitter always talk about how "gay" they are because they fit a collection of stereotypes (the aesthetic) but never talk about women beyond the actress/character/ship in that fandom. This, of course, leads to the kind of things you see on the Reddit lesbian subs. And we all know what happens when we say lesbians are women attracted to the female body, so the weird memers never get challenged and end up dominating all the "lesbian" spaces.

    It's very confusing to me and I still like to think of myself as young! Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if I were 10 years younger and trying to come to terms with my sexuality because I don't fit this aesthetic and am actually attracted to the female body, not the nebulous concept of "gender identity."

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      [–]lovelyspearmint 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Yeah, I'm in my later twenties. I'm mostly avoiding younger lesbians (18-24) and looking for older women because I've found younger lesbians are either bicurious, bisexual, or queer, none of which are lesbian and yet they use the label. I also don't want to get into arguments about the validity of trans and non binaries, which I find younger women feel strongly about.

      [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I’m one of the few younger lesbians then that is actually a lesbian and sees the younger queer crowd as ridiculous. Myself being 23, I think the young teens and 18 yr olds are way out of their mind with things and just want to jump on the gay bandwagon cause it’s trendy like you said. I think the generation after mine is explicitly sucked into this ideology while my generation was only beginning to get caught in the web. It’s hard to find other lesbians my age cause they either don’t identify as one out of fear, or they’re bicurious like you said and aren’t gay in any way shape or form. Maybe this is why I always seem to go for older women because I know they know that they’re a lesbian and can see past the bullshit. (By older, I mean 24-30).

      [–]lovelyspearmint 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I really hope this blows over soon and we can both find reasonable partners. Good luck!

      [–]yousaythosethings 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

      I feel you. I’m an LBL and this is the “LGBT community” I came out to. It is definitely toxic and lonely as a result. It’s so hard to find normal people who aren’t sucked into some aspect of this and don’t constantly have their pitchforks ready.

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        [–]yousaythosethings 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        Sure I love over-analyzing things and the Kinsey Scale is something that factored into my self-conception up until the point I had the ultimate, “No, idiot, you’re just gay” realization that I had been avoiding all my life. To precede my Kinsey scale analysis, I’ll give a personal anecdote. The movie Kinsey came out while I was in high school and it put the scale on my radar. Initially it gave me some comfort because I saw it as a basis upon which I could internally say I’m “not quite straight” or “mostly straight” while still recognizing my same-sex attraction. The first time I started talking about my same-sex attraction out loud to friends in high school, I brought up the Kinsey Scale to see what they thought of it. And I tested the waters by saying that I thought I was a 2. And I remember my thought process was that 2 felt safe in that it recognized that I was more than incidentally homosexual in my attraction (though the scale is about behavior) but that I was closer to straight than gay. I think this is also around the time that everyone around here claims that being bisexual was super trendy and everyone was claiming to be bisexual. I honestly wish I was around that trend because it definitely didn’t reach me. I didn’t know anyone who claimed to be bisexual or even lesbian. It would have given me a nice cover if this was a thing in my area though. Once bisexuality was more accepted as a thing (at least from what I could tell), I internally felt that I must be somewhere in there but I did not use the term for myself, did not openly refer to myself as such, and the word never felt quite right to me. I never wanted to give guys the impression that I could be attracted to them or sexually available or anything like that. And then right before I came out as gay, I briefly held onto some idea that I was Kinsey 5, until I finally reached that “no, you oblivious dolt” headspace. So I would say the Kinsey Scale both helped and hindered me in understanding my sexuality.

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          [–]StoneyTangawizi1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          Interesting. Wow you had a lot of internalized homophobia. I don't understand though why do you feel its selfish to not be attracted to men and why do you feel hurt men by not being attracted to them? How does not being attracted to males hurt them?

          And "they have a good reason to react with violence if you are hurt them by not being attracted"- wow these males sounds like incels.

          It's just so weird to me. I cannot grasp that.

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            [–]StoneyTangawizi1 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            Sorry for the very late reply. Holy shit that really sucks. I hope you didn't feel pressured or caved in and end up sleeping with a guy. Because something like that would be really traumatic and end up "fucking me up" for life. I hope you managed to get rid of your internalized homophobia now. That "sexuality is fluid" queerturd shit is a fucking cancer and should be eradicated.

            I am 25 years old. Well, I lived in a rather conservative Asian country which we don't really have this TRA, queer theory, gender type garbage. In fact, most people here know nothing about those "sexuality is fluid" shit. So maybe that's why I didn't get it at all.

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              [–]StoneyTangawizi1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              Are you a goldstar? Just asking out of curiosity. It's great to hear that you are doing better.

              Oh I see. That's fucking horrible. A lot of men are entitled fucking piece of shits. For some reason, men in my country seem to be more respectful of women than where are you from. Hitting on or catcalling women seems to be heavily frowned upon by the public here and would lead to angry or disapproving looks from people so I never see a dude doing that to women here. What country are you from btw?

              I understand what you mean. Well I hope you don't feel guilty anymore. Its literally trans and male entitlement. I truly feel sorry for you. What you should do is cut off these pro-trans, woke people from your life and don't associate with them anymore if you feel they are influencing your thoughts and mind. I think it will be better for your own mental health in the long run as well.

              [–]lovelyspearmint 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              I honestly don't like the fact that the Kinsey Scale (which was developed 70 years ago, mind you) is still treated like a legitimate way of determining orientation, especially since people tend to use it as a gotcha that 'everyone is a little bisexual', even though it clearly has the far ends of exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual. It honestly has too much bias towards bisexuality, and it makes sense that its creator was bi himself.

              [–]yousaythosethings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              I'm not trying to uphold the Kinsey Scale as something everyone should use as a benchmark, but I don't understand your comment at all. I don't see people today using it to determine their orientation, but to describe what they already know or believe to be true about it. i also don't understand the implication that it has a bias toward bisexuality. There just is no spectrum of heterosexuality and homosexuality, so they get one number (0 and 6 respectively). But someone who is hypothetically a 5 is very different from someone who is a 1, even though they are both bisexual. It's just that of course there are different levels of bisexuality as the blended/dual sexuality.

              [–]lovelyspearmint 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Sorry, my argument is a little confusing. What I meant by that is that I've found people not using the Kinsey Scale as it was intended, but misinterpreting what it's supposed to be and using it against gay people by saying 'well, it's rare that someone is completely straight or gay, everyone is a little bisexual'. That's the only context in which I've seen it being used.

              Basically, people don't even know what the scale is but use it as a reason to get gay (or straight) people to consider that they might be a little bit interested in the same/opposite sex.

              By bias towards bisexuality, I meant it doesn't tell straight or gay people anything about their sexuality, since those sexualities are clear cut. It's a scale of bisexuality rather than sexuality in general. Sorry if any of this is coming off as rude, I really hope not :/

              [–]yousaythosethings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              No, you're good. I get you now. That being said, I believe the Kinsey Scale as designed is intended to describe behavior, not attraction, but it has come to be used to describe the latter. I think it's more useful to describe the latter. And so I agree that the scale doesn't really tell truly gay and straight people much about their sexuality once they've already accepted what it is (if they're gay), but it can be used to tell them about the potential sexual orientations of others in their dating pool. For example, some lesbians are not interested in dating bisexual women who are primarily male-attracted, but would date a bisexual woman who is primarily female-attracted. I do feel bad for women who are in the Kinsey 4-5 range based on their pattern of attraction because it often seems that bisexual discussions are dominated by Kinsey 1 types and they often have nothing in common and their interests aren't really represented by them.

              The scale can also be revelatory for people who are holding onto some idea in their head of being straight or gay that doesn't fully line up with their pattern of attraction (particularly for 1s, 2s, 4s, and 5s). I have definitely seen people comment on Reddit things like "I'm a Kinsey 4, can I call myself a lesbian if I'm only interested in women?" In that case, it should be instructive there, as it's clear they're harboring awareness that they're not actually homosexual but bisexual.

              [–]CatsOrGoHome 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              It always feels weird in any lesbian space other than this one. You will usually see either the stereotypical hyper sexualized stuff straight men like or you will see a completely desexualized depiction of two women together that looks more like a friendship than a relationship. It is depressing.

              [–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              You put it perfectly! And I think both of those can be fetishizing lesbianism.

              [–]lovelyspearmint 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Bonus points if someone says 'aww, they're so cute!'. I've found that people always infantilise gay couples, which they don't do as much for 'normal' het couples.

              [–]VioletRemi 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              We came here from /r/TrueLesbians, which was last female-only lesbian subreddit, and we were banned for not accepting dicks. Only "lesbian" subreddits left areones full of men or with porn. And reddit is big site, so most people will go there first. It is so harmful and stressful for young lesbians who don't know how to be - to come to /r/ActualLesbians and receive there "you are lesbian, so eat my girl dick like a good girl".

              [–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

              Fully agreed. Same reason why lesbians been a "top" or a "bottom" is a big discussion point for these people on reddit lesbian subs or lesbian TikTok (theres the real lesbians and then this massive group of fake "queer" women who just date men but spend all their time talking about how gay they are)

              Its a weird like a trendy lifestyle and so easy because "women just understand each other and its sleepovers and masks and pillow fights and giggles" when any real lesbian would know that real lesbian relationships are extremely hard and that top or bottom type heteronormative bullshit isn't a thing.

              [–]Elvira95 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

              Lesbians calling themselves bottom or top is so damn ridicolous. It doesn't make any sense at all and just feel like they're talking like gay men. I hope it won't become dominant thing, because it's stupid as hell.

              [–]ColoredTwice 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Weird enough that I saw incorporating of those words by "big" lesbian celebreties and youtubers.

              Meaning of them is very weird. "Top" is the active one, who is making most descisions, so "top" can be pillow princess.

              It is very strange to use such categories describing lesbians - as most our sex and relationship involves action of both.

              [–]Elvira95 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              A pillow princess is super passive by definition. But thankfully, most lesbian relationship got balance, not a passive and and submissive, that shit is awful.

              [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              And then they refer to things like 'top energy' (wtf?) and say that their dating pool is limited because they're 'a butch bottom looking for a slightly femme top' or something stupid.

              [–]Elvira95 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Heteronormative bullshit still being super strong. Even if I'm clearly more dom sexually, still top and bottom are stupid term. The point is that female relationships are the most equal one, and the one who are not equal, well, I would prefer to stay single for life than being into them.

              [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              lol yes, you could say that you're dominant in bed, why would you need to use a term like bottom? Even re penetration, you could say you like / don't like to be penetrated.... or would it blow their minds that someone who is 'dominant' might enjoy being penetrated too?

              [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The top/bottom stuff is so annoying! These people are always like, "I'm a bottom because I like pastel colors!" or some insane nonsense like that. Could they make it any more obvious that they have never actually been with a woman?

              [–]piylot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

              Agreed. Unless you're exclusively referring to the use of a strap-on, the word doesn't even have any meaning. Stressing young questioning people out about what label they should put on themselves, when the label is a vague word that some people like the sound of, rather than actually communicating information, like it does when used in relation to gay male sex. The vast majority of us aren't having one sided sex, and I think it's wrong that that's being taught to young sexually inexperienced lesbians online, where they have limited access to other sex education.

              [–]Elvira95 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

              Even for strap-on, it's just wrong to say it. You're just playing with a sex toy, that's not a dick. Heteronormative everywhere.

              [–]piylot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Heteronormative might be an unfair description for a term appropriated from gay male culture. & sure if you'd rather not use top and bottom at all, but my point was that at least in that context it communicates something, rather than being some individually described identity.

              [–]CuntWorshiper 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

              Using a strapon is already heteronormative to begin with. But more, and worse than that, it’s lesbophobic. Comes from the ideas: Sex, in order to be sex, have to be phallocentric. Homosexuality among females don’t exist because females can’t have sex with each other (because we don’t have penis).

              Read about ’Ancient Greek female homosexuality’ you’ll see. I get your point tho. Sex toy =/= a man. And this is the argument straight men (who acknowledge they’re straight men) have always used to tease and try humiliate lesbians. I hate that this strapon crap is associated with lesbian sex. Although strapon doesn’t turn a woman into a man, it does destroy her female anatomy regardless, imo. I can’t understand how someone who likes women (be lesbians, bi man and women, or straight men) can get aroused by it. 🤢lol

              [–]Elvira95 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              I agree so much. Strapons repulse me a lot. I've read absurd comments like lesbians are virgin unless they use it. It's all about dicks in society, and they must to always being included even only as an idea.Plastic shit reminding of a dick which suck to make a woman come even if she likes dicks lol But also lmany esbians are brainwashed to heteronormativity too. Also, great nickname.

              [–]VioletRemi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Virgin

              That thing is so stupid. Why people even operating with words like that, lol.

              And yeah, that what you saying is basically "sex without penis is not real sex", which is absurd, especially when said by lesbian.

              [–]Elvira95 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              And yeah, that what you saying is basically "sex without penis is not real sex", which is absurd, especially when said by lesbian.

              Comments written by hetero men or women, not lesbians

              [–]VioletRemi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Ah, then it makes more sense :D

              [–]CuntWorshiper 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Lesbians are virgins unless they use it? Really? someone somewhere have ever had the vain to say this? 🤮 See, this is what I’m talking about. It’s pure lesbophobia. That’s why I refuse to use it or let someone use it on me. To be honest I had only one woman who ever tried it. And she now identify as transmen. 😐 Anyways great to know I’m virgin at least I’m going to heaven lol.

              My username is how I was called on Twitter once arguing with transbias. One called me vagina fetishist and other transbia correct him saying that I was worse than a vagina fetishist, I was a cunt worshipper. I won’t say that I didn’t like the nickname tho 😂😂 Edit: grammar.

              [–]Elvira95 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              Yeah, americans got a very phallocentric culture.I simply don't like it.I want a real touch and sex, not a plastic touch and the phallic reminded is a turnoff. And as I said not good for coming. So, it just sucks. I'm a cunt workshiper too

              [–]piylot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              What if a lesbian couple don't believe a strap on is necessary to qualify something as "real sex" but still enjoy using it? Is the strap-on itself lesbophobic or just the idea that it's necessary?

              [–]CuntWorshiper 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              Lesbophobic for me is: the mix of misogyny and homophobia. Acknowledging that there’s some type of misogyny only homosexual women can experience and there’s some type of homophobia only homosexual women can experience.

              The history behind it, is lesbophobic. It only exist in the first place because of the belief that “women’s bodies are not sexual”. This belief is quite old. In Ancient Greece men didn’t believe women (in heterosexual sex) felt sexual pleasure and that the only ones able to feel sexual pleasure are men, but not any men, only the ones who had penis AND used it to penetrate. People love to say that “homosexuality was ok“ among Greeks (the true is that it wasn’t). Homosexuality was only ok for the men that were tops because they were not considered homosexuals in the first place, the bottoms were slaves. And Greeks didn’t believe that they (bottoms) enjoyed sex, because they “played the woman role” and those that are penetrated don’t feel sexual pleasure. Those that were penetrated (men and women) were dominated servers. So it was ok for a free man that only penetrates to have homosexual sex. But the men that were penetrated very much experienced homophobia which in reality is just plain misogyny. Does that remind you of something? Yeah there are still people who thinks like this, even now, thousands of years later. Where do you think this belief comes from? Homophobia (against men) is just a arm of misogyny. You may ask what does that have to do with strap on and lesbian sex? Well... ‘Homosexuality among females didn’t exist’ because we were not sexual beings to begin with. We (Women) needed a very large clitoris or a strap on to have sex with each other, because sex was penetration and that’s it. And even in this case, the only one that (supposedly) had sexual pleasure would be the woman penetrating. In my personal opinion strap on itself is inherently misogynistic/lesbophobic. Even if you understand female anatomy, and don’t think like a woman hating Greek man lol. BUT, I am not the one - and never will be - that tells a lesbian or a lesbian couple what they can and can’t do in their bedroom and/or enjoy. The maximum I would do is try to get them aware of where this strap on thing comes from, since I know so many lesbians have no ideia. But my final take for lesbians is enjoy sex do whatever they want. I just feel upset that strap on is so associated with lesbian sex because when people assume (and people do make those assumptions out loud in my face) that I use it just because I happen to be a lesbian I get pissed.

              Sorry for my English I’m not really fluent so you’ll have to forgive me :D

              [–]yousaythosethings 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              I appreciate your take and username. Your English is perfect.

              I would add to your post, and you may disagree, that from my perspective sex with a strap-on nowadays isn’t inherently lesbophobic, but rather the expectation or belief that this is or should be the main/cornerstone lesbian sex act is. I’m not particularly fond of it myself, but also not categorically against it either. It is rather impersonal to me and just lacks a lot of the appeal of other other sex acts that involve pure body to body contact. Also, heteronormative sex and relationship dynamics do not appeal to me.

              [–]CuntWorshiper 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              strap-on nowadays isn’t inherently lesbophobic, but rather the expectation or belief that this is or should be the main/cornerstone lesbian sex act is.

              I don’t disagree. That was exactly what I was saying. The only thing I think is off is this “nowadays”. Strap on IS a expectation and belief of how sex should be. Not nowadays but always. That’s the point. This belief doesn’t come in a vacuum. Even if done now with complete lack of awareness from those who do it, is still the same old lesbophobia. Just the fact that this is even a thing is already lesbophobic. It’s obvious that is a expectation thing, most women, including heterosexuals, do not orgasm from penetration. The most important thing to female sexual pleasure, in humans, is placed in the vulva ;) hehe. The clitoris’ back is only a few cm of the vagina’s entry, and it’s in the vagina “ceiling”. The best way to stimulate it is with fingers, not penis. A penis can’t do that ‘come here’ move/gesture that fingers can, I guess lol. Strap on was created to make up that lack of real penis, that was supposedly necessary to women’s sexual pleasure and sex itself, but a penis isn’t necessary for women’s orgasm to begin with. Even for straight women. There’s plenty of straight woman on internet asking why they can’t orgasm through penetration, what’s wrong with them. And straight men asking why their wife/gf can’t orgasm through penetration, what is wrong with their penis. (See even now, era of internet, female’s anatomy and sexual pleasure is still wrapped in ignorance.) The strap on creation didn’t come from actual necessity but rather, expectation and belief of its necessity. So if the reason why some lesbians use it didn’t changed, how did it’s lesbophobic nature changed? If you use because you’re expected to then you think is a necessity.

              Some lesbians may use it even if they don’t like it for the same reason some women accept being slapped in the face even if they don’t like it; because they’re expected to and everything around them involved in a way that make them believe that that have to do it or like, otherwise they’re boring, they’re not playing it right, there’s something wrong with that, something is missing. It’s manipulating. On the the other hand, if a lesbian actually like it, she can like it all she want, i still see it as lesbophobic. Likewise I can like when my woman call me dirty slut in bed all I want, but even if this is something I choose and go after, it won’t change the fact that ‘dirty slut’ is a misogynistic slur that exist to sexually shame women. That’s my main point since the begin we can do what we want in bed as long as is consensual and between adults. I’m not here to point fingers in women’s face and tell them what they can/can’t get wet for but just because we own our misogynistic sexual fetishes it doesn’t make them less misogynistic.

              [–]piylot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I think the source of our disagreement here is only in how prevalent we believe it is that women are using strap on because they feel like they should vs using one because they've tried different sex acts and found they enjoy that one. I think your description of what generally gets off is largely true but I also think different things work for different people, and that different forms of stimulation can result in different experiences of orgasm that some women may prefer over others (either generally or in a particular moment), it's not just about how fast or reliably one technique results in orgasm.

              I don't mean this in any way to encourage you to try it btw.

              [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              exactly I just watched this music video the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJDlLvjoHQ&ab_channel=KALIUCHIS Kali Uchis, Jhay Cortez – La Luz and I have yet to see anyone calling out this music video. It's so upsetting it's like we've done a full 180, before we were trying to get away from the male gaze and now it's being applauded by the community?

              [–]Hydiee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              🤮🤮🤮

              Disgusting. I saw some people calling it out in the comments at least.

              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              ohh that's awesome going to go back and read lol

              [–]yousaythosethings 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Oh god the lyrics make it so much worse.

              [–]lovelyspearmint 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Fun fact: There's a new sub called r/biologicallesbians, but pretty much everyone is scared to comment because there's lurking TRAs. My favourite is a 16 year old MtF that goes around policing posts and warning that they need to watch their language or they'll get reported.

              [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              I know my reply is 7 days late, but this just blows my mind. They banned lesbian subs because it offended trans people. And then they GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to track down and find anything that offends them just to get it banned. Like, stop going out of your way to offend yourself then! Look away! I don't get it; it's infuriating.

              [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Also, the memes. Endless memes. The same old jokes, the anime girls, the cartoon girls.

              [–]ColoredTwice 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Why I don't like reddit lesbian subs

              Because they all getting banned 1 month after being created? And ones that aren't banned are porn subs or for transwomen?