Another one bites the dust

submitted by fckme from self.Lesbians

4th female friend to announce she's going on testostertoblerone.

What's happening to the big strong Woman? Dying breed as the wokegenderqueers are taking over. Rosie Rivet is turning in her grave..

Apparently as a kid I wouldn't answer to any name but 'Tony'., fond memories of fishing competitions with my dad, chopping the fire wood. Can't wait to have a roughhouse with the dogs when I fly back for Christmas. Tomboy then and still am. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to mutilate their body, chemically and or physically

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[–]Elvira95 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

America is high ground for this, because gender stereotype and sexism are massive

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It shocks me that these people dont see how this is pushed by big pharma.... Uneccesary medication AND surgery? of course it would be successful in a capitalist society

[–]MyLongestJourney 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

4th female friend to announce she's going on testostertoblerone.

And who will in a few years cry about her chopped tits and barytone voice.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mental illnesses being insufficiently treated and social issues being unacknowledged and dismissed which add to them. The combo there in is important and sadly few make much progress on their mental health when transition is used as the priority and an excuse by both themselves and their “medical providers” to ignore them all. And hey if you’re a woman it might be nice for once to have your doctors not ignore something when first presented to them like so many burnt out medical staff with underlaying biases do. It takes personal time to deal with much of this stuff and transition is about skipping thinking about the other stuff that lead to such a decision.

You can’t make peoples bad decisions for them. You can’t make people choose good decisions either. Sometimes you have to watch the cards as they fall and gently urge people to consider things a little differently, and hope it eventually gets through.

[–]Wot 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

Tomboy

That male adjacent term in and of itself answers why anyone would want to mutilate themselves.

[–]TalerTest 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

how?

[–]MyLongestJourney 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

It denotes the harm of gender stereotypes. If you are female and like stereotypical masculine activities you are dubbed a tomboy..

[–]piylot 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

But from my experience tomboy wasn't used pejoratively, girls happily called themselves tomboys, and it didn't have any implications about being in the wrong body. It does have "boy" in the name, but nobody would make any mistake in understanding tomboys were girls.

[–]TalerTest 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yes that's exactly what I was going to say. Tomboy has always meant girl.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your experience. Lets face it society usually bullies girls and boys who do not fit gender roles and expectations.

[–]Wot 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Tomboy still implies that to like "masculine" things means you are male-like. Male adjacent. It's opposite, girly girl on the other hand reduces womanhood in its entirety to femininity. It implies actual, real, proper womanhood is femininity; that's why whatever is "girly" is only feminine. That's why fems looks at studs/butch/gnc and think they want to be men because to reject femininity means you reject womanhood since both are seen as being the same.

[–]piylot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hmm, but the word "masculine" also means male-like. I'm not sure that there's any way to use a descriptor that avoids that. And when we all understand what masculine activities/interests/appearance means, can we avoid having a word for it at all without trying to deny a pattern that's prominent in our culture?

[–]Wot 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

And when we all understand what masculine activities/interests/appearance means, can we avoid having a word for it at all without trying to deny a pattern that's prominent in our culture?

Nothing wrong with having a word for something but it should exist along side gender abolitionism or else we get very much the more of the same arbitrary gender roles perpetuation and the TRA bs we are dealing with today.

[–]candiedDagon 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

During what decade was tomboy used for girls? I’m a millennial and I know I had heard the word but didn’t personally know any self-referred tomboys. Maybe I didn’t do enough sports.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

90s kid. I was called a tomboy by my friends because I liked stuff like climbing trees, playing outside and didn't like girly things. I don't see myself as very masculine but hey that's what I got called when I was a kid. I was fine with it, I don't think people were being mean spirited. I also loved books with characters who were tomboys. I was a huge Enid Blyton fan and those books had girls and boys who went off on adventures and got into all sorts of scrapes. Some of the girls were tomboys and some were girly girls but it wasn't negative. They had good stories.

[–]chickfactor 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

90s for sure. I was called a tomboy and called myself a tomboy. I don’t recall it ever being used as an insult. It just meant a girl who wasn’t girly.

[–]piylot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the 2000s for me (UK), and don't recall it being used as an insult, though I wasn't particularly a tomboy.

[–]Wot 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. You're not just a regular girl. It implies that to like these "masculine" things you are male-like. If you were properly female behaving and liked stereotypical feminine activities you'd be a girly girl. Female like. It's no big step then from, "I don't like femininity" to "I must not be a female."

[–]chickfactor 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I grew up liking “boy” things too, OP, and who knows if I would have made it to adult womanhood if I had been born 20 years later. There’s so much pressure on people these days to make their bodies match their “gendered” behaviour and the medical establishment is treating puberty blockers and HRT like they’re the new antidepressants.

[–]divingrightintowork 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know like six women who cut their tits off in the past 5 years. No one who did so before that.

[–]knownasness 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

it's so frustrating. there's nothing wrong with being a woman. i have always preferred "boys" clothes and most of my interests are stereotypically "male" ones but i have never been or felt like anything other than a woman. i wish more women were secure in their womanhood so we wouldn't have to keep making threads like this. you don't have to question who and what you are because the world is telling you that the things you like and do aren't for women. it's all nonsense. you define what being a woman is because you were born one.

[–]MrFahrenheit46 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that. I'm detrans and am currently trying to undo the damage of testosterone. I hope it works out for your friend.