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    [–]Vulptex[S] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (344 children)

    Nature is behind it. Feminism exists because humans are hardwired to naturally care about women but not men, and it's because of how reproduction works. It had some good points in the past but we're beyond that now, and still no one cares about men. MRA exists because a few people are stuck realizing nature and society and life will always be shitty toward men, since our biological purpose is to be slaves of the tribe. This shouldn't turn them against each other. People should be willing to recognize that yes, male life is almost always shittier than female life, and it's just the order of nature. The least they could do is be more understanding.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (341 children)

    What utter bullshit.

    Feminism exists because women were treated as no little more than breed slaves with no rights to vote, inherit, own property, open bank accounts, etc There were even laws as to how much you could beat your wife like a stick a thumb wide was considered adaquate.

    And if you think feminism is no longer needed just look at the latest bullshit like Hubbard or the whole Blizzard fiasco.

    Stop acting like youre a male victim and women have it better. Because what? You don't have 6 ft blokes grabbing your ass randomly when you are on the bus?

    [–]DirewolfGhost 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (120 children)

    Actually feminism exists because females see no individual advantage to being grateful or empathetic. Children have worse outcomes with single mothers than single fathers. Children learn empathy from the father, not the mother. Women physically abuse children more than men. Feminism is whitewashed female tyranny.

    When the species stops breeding the species stops existing. Rights come with responsibilities in stable societies. What responsibilities do women have? That law about stick size is to protect women. What laws were there about protecting actual slaves from physical punishment throughout history? Seems like the females had it better, even in slavery.

    Men are walking away because they are victims of this crumbling society. They no longer care about feminist shaming tactics because many women have become unlovable. With the increased competition from female eunuchs (career women) many men cannot find respectable employment. When women do not respect men and when men do not love women the family unit crumbles. That has been the goal and its succeeding.

    Men are statistically more likely to be victims of violent crime than women. You are ideologically possessed.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (103 children)

    Manchild. Stop playing the victim game, grow some balls and stop hanging with losers like MGTOW feeding you this bullshit.

    [–]DirewolfGhost 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (60 children)

    More shaming tactics, insults and closed ears. Women will never empathize with men. They aren't built for it. Men go where they are appreciated which is why they're walking away.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

    No one can take you seriously when you talk about "female eunuchs (career women) taking employment from men" or how "stick size is to protect women"

    Women do not respect YOU and men like you because you all act like wimpering, sexist, spoiled brats. Oh daddyyyy the lady did not take my bullshit and was mean to meee wahwahwaaaahh

    Cry more.

    And good walk away and stay the fuck away. That means don't come into our spaces and whine like babies aswel.

    [–]DirewolfGhost 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

    Statistically career women have fewer children and the more success they achieve the more men they remove from their mating pool. You don't know about me so you throw a tantrum, make things up and hope something sticks. I'm not crying, just reading another set of hysterical ramblings from a delusional individual, devoid of logic, reason and empathy, masculine traits. You first. The internet is a male space invaded by women to whine like a babies.

    P.S. Piece of advice, don't misquote people. It shows your readers how manipulative (or stupid) you are.

    Facts>Feelings

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Statistically career women have fewer children and the more success they achieve the more men they remove from their mating pool.

    LMAO your tears taste sweet.

    It's not women's fault that boys like you feel emasculated if their girlfriend is more successful at life than they are. Grow up.

    [–]DirewolfGhost 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

    All you have is SIGN language. Shame, insults, guilt and the need to be right. Its tragic that your mind is warped this way. Good luck with your life, I hope it brings you what you're searching for.

    [–]Chipit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

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    [–]Vulptex[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    They have way more potential and yet still almost always expect the man to do everything. We need more career women. And I mean actual careers, not "hobby job for fun while my guy does the real bill paying".

    [–]GConly 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Statistically career women have fewer children

    Well yes.

    Also the higher the IQ the fewer kids you have full stop, so you may as well bitch about intelligent stay at home moms having fewer kids.

    The reason dumber women have more kids is mostly down to contraceptive failure though.

    You need to read some science instead of MRA bullshit.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Some people wanted big families since they were little kids, because they loved the idea of being a mom, then became a mom and did in fact love it, so they kept doing it. You need to realize that people make the decisions they make for all sorts of reasons, and some of these reasons can't be studied accurately by the shitty administrations and systems in the West.

    Who wants to talk about women who love being moms? They must be country bumpkins! /s

    [–]Dragonerne 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Women do not respect YOU and men like you

    We know. The feeling is mutual

    [–]Chipit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]Vulptex[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Lack of benevolent sexism is not misogyny, it's egalitarian.

    [–]Vulptex[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

    There's places where men are appreciated? I've never heard of it.

    [–]DirewolfGhost 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

    They are appreciated where they can provide something needed or desired. A lot of men are looking for (and building) those places right now. You have to figure out what you can produce that people want. The inbred silver spooners call us useless eaters for a reason.

    [–]Vulptex[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

    Oh yeah, conditionally. But are you really valued, or are you being used? Women are almost always valued, men are almost always used. Everywhere. Because instincts and reproduction.

    [–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

    Semantics - with a time limit. Women over 40 are not so valued in pop-culture.

    [–]Amongstclouds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

    You literally just said women are valued because of their reproductive ability - because of how they can be used. You are saying women are valued for how their bodies can be used while decrying that men are valued for their usefullness. Do you not understand you did that?

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          [–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          That's all humans. Men unfortunately actually have less capacity for empathy, they're just taught that they're a bad person if they don't and they have to be responsible and courteous people. Women are taught to take to take and only give back if they feel like it, and manipulate through emotions, sex, and primal instincts. Yet again all the responsibility falls on men even when they can't do it as well.

          [–]DirewolfGhost 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          If it matches chimps, the higher status males have the greatest empathy while the lowest status males have the least. The reverse trend is true for the females but the extreme absolute values on the spectrum of empathy are dominated by the males.

          [–]Vulptex[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Stop letting golddigging women manipulate you with their advantage in sex and primal instincts.

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            [–]NeedMoreCoffee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

            I'm all ok with that, the sooner you American nutjobs die out the better the rest of the world will have it. Enjoy the future without young women birthing children. It's going to be amazing. :D

            [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

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              [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

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              [–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

              Sweet thanks, you are making me so loved that you feel the need to stalk my every comment. Not creepy at all :D

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                [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                Coomer

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                  [–]Amongstclouds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                  Children have worse outcomes with single mothers than single fathers.

                  Because of the loss of dual-income, not the loss of the man, though. Children in dual income gay and lesbian families do as well as straight.

                  Seems like the females had it better, even in slavery.

                  And yet, the people who were enslaved got the right to vote first - who was respected more?

                  What responsibilities do women have?

                  All the fucking emotional labor. I have yet to see a man put together a meal plan for their family. Not one.

                  Men are walking away

                  No, you're not. You're harrassing women online and not leaving them alone. Go your own fucking way already.

                  With the increased competition from female eunuchs (career women) many men cannot find respectable employment.

                  If you can't compete with women in the labor force, maybe you can start doing the housework and become a home husband. You will need to learn: emotional empathy, cooking skills, how to always be "on" and available for your kids 24/7. Enjoy!

                  When women do not respect men and when men do not love women the family unit crumbles.

                  You're right and your movement vilanizing women is destroying the family. Wash a fucking dish. Say thank you. Be nice.

                  Respect is earned. Earn it.

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                  I'm reading everyone's comments through the thread, and managed to stumble upon this while going to check my email.

                  https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nursery-cam-captures-dad-checking-184158975.html

                  Someone actually took the time out to write this.

                  [–]Amongstclouds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  Man did a thing woman is expected to do on top of having to have a job. New story at 6pm. Mayor is throwing a parade. Also, men are sooo oppressed. Parade for men who didn't punch someone today. Also a parade for men who did punch someone, too, just so their fee-fees don't get hurt.

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                      [–]Dragonerne 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (78 children)

                      Stop acting like youre a male victim and women have it better.

                      In Denmark women on average pay less than 0% taxes, so stfu.

                      with no rights to vote, inherit, own property, open bank accounts, etc

                      You think it was different for men? In Denmark only 15% had the right to vote until universal suffrage. Why was that? Because the vast majority of men were slaves to the wealthy class. So yeah, women might've been "breeders" (how horrible to make babies and be a mom, oh the terror!!), while their husbands were forced to take care of them. But the majority of men were treated worse than dogs if not sent into war to die to protect the privileged women and few wealthy men.

                      Women are treated better than men in every aspect of society and it has been that way forever. Nothing has changed. Feminism is just another name for the patriarchy: Ladies first.

                      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (77 children)

                      Bullshit. Stop sniffing glue.

                      https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/denmark/individual/taxes-on-personal-income

                      [–]Dragonerne 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (76 children)

                      I literally live in Denmark. On average women pay X in taxes and then the state gives them back more than X back in return lol, so stfu

                      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (75 children)

                      Show me proof. Since you are Danish that should be no issue to you what so ever. If you can't, you stfu.

                      [–]Dragonerne 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (74 children)

                      https://statistikbanken.dk/statbank5a/default.asp?w=1920

                      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (73 children)

                      I think you accidently put the wrong link because that is telling me nothing

                      [–]Dragonerne 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (70 children)

                      Go to arbejde, indkomst and formue. Then search for female tax paid and then search for female state support, then subtract one from the other, there you go.
                      If the math is too hard, I'm sorry but as a man, I am not here to act as your brain. I'm not your slave ;)

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                        [–]Vulptex[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (102 children)

                        Because my brain and body chemistry is fundamentally inferior. Women are exceptionally happier and more talented due to how their brains and bodies and chemicals work differently. The female body retains the default state and allows a lot of wiggle room for self actualization. The male is developed to perform specific roles for the tribe at his personal expense. And imagine how horrifying that is to someone like me with autism and no tribal pride. Thus women are ALWAYS significantly happier even in places where they are oppressed, barring extreme individual circumstances. No matter how equal they are, women as a whole will always have lives several times better than men due to their internal state and natural baseline.

                        And women are in no way oppressed in the western world, today they have all the rights of a man and none of the responsibilities. They aren't expected to perform, are allowed to have personal problems, aren't expected to work, aren't criticized anywhere near as much as men, are allowed to go against the norm without being a bad person, get 80% off on criminal sentences, and have all kinds of opportunities handed to them on a golden platter by men who hope it will get them sex. Meanwhile men are expected to work or go homeless, forced to enlist in the military, not allowed to have personal problems, criticized for everything, punished for every wrong move, not allowed to have opinions, not allowed to be introverts, not allowed to have mental problems, and are expected to provide for and protect women at all costs. Even as infants, mothers will ignore the cries of a baby boy but do everything possible to help their baby girl. This is the result of biological instincts and cannot ever be changed:

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_expendability

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect

                        [–]NeedMoreCoffee 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (101 children)

                        I'm sorry you have autism man, but seriously you need to stop acting like an incel.

                        [–]CandyUwU 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (91 children)

                        If they are an "incel", then you're a pussy worshipper, which is gross 🤷‍♀️

                        [–]NeedMoreCoffee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (90 children)

                        Why? Because i think playing the little victim and pretending women have an easier life than you because you're a loser is pathetic ?

                        LMAO

                        [–]CandyUwU 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (89 children)

                        "Stop playing like a victim" is all you have got. Why don’t you try and fix yourself instead of trying to put MGTOWs down?

                        We women may not have easier "lives". Doesn't mean most of the criticisms MGTOWs have of society and the way it treats men are not valid. Pay attention to their voices, or leave. You're wasting your time, and contributing nothing to the conversation.

                        [–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (88 children)

                        All I got from you lot so far is how women have it allegedly so much easier. I have my doubts.

                        If you have it so bad go out and protest and do something about it instead of sitting on the internet blaming women that you are miserable.

                        [–]CandyUwU 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (87 children)

                        If you have it so bad go out and protest and do something about it instead of sitting on the internet blaming women that you are miserable.

                        You're confusing me with the other people you were arguing with before. I'm a woman, as I mentioned.

                        [–]Vulptex[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                        "Anyone who cares the slightest bit about a male is an incel because only females are worthy"

                        Calling me an incel is ironic because my problems mostly stem from sex not being the center of my life, and hating how my biology and society won't let me take other paths I want to.

                        [–]NeedMoreCoffee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                        What is this path that society won't let you take because of your sex?

                        [–]Vulptex[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                        Anything besides slaving for them and doing their bidding. I'm even required to put myself out on the battlefield for them. I don't matter one bit, all that matters is what I do for them. But women are inherently valuable and absolutely allowed to have lives of their own.

                        I can hide from that sometimes, but I can't escape my own brain which is throwing out all my fun talents and emotions and intelligence and even sense perception for maximum performance in those stupid areas I'm supposed to perform in.

                        [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

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                        For all the good it's going to do now, with all the responses to the reported messages, it has become part of the conversation. It'd just make this thread hard to read without the rule breaking content at this point.

                        [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

                        There were even laws as to how much you could beat your wife like a stick a thumb wide was considered adaquate.

                        That's a myth. Ashamed to see it here.

                        Naturally, no mention of all the men who were conscripted to die in wars they would never benefit from, that women were exempted from. Not a single whisper. Why would feminists look out for men? They as a group look out for the best interest and equal rights/opportunity for women. World War I cost France 1,357,800 dead, 4,266,000 wounded (of whom 1.5 million were permanently maimed) and 537,000 in prison or missing - exactly 73% of the 8,410,000 men mobilized, according to William Shirer in The Collapse of the Third Republic. Some context: France had 40 million citizens at the start of the war; six in ten men between the ages of eighteen and twenty-eight died or were permanently maimed.

                        "If you're a woman and I'm explaining something to you in a rude and patronising manner it won't ever be because you're a woman. It will most likely be because you're a fucking cretin."

                        -- Johnathan Pie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pESjtw6GA

                        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

                        Cut me some slack because I'm at the end of a semester and struggling with coming up with terminology at this point. If something doesn't make sense, I'll clarify the best that I can.

                        These were wars that were put into play by men with power, land and wealth in mind. Men are better physiologically equipped for physical combat, physical activities in general. It's a blessing, but a massive curse because you'll be dragged into whatever is necessary for the leaders of whichever society you occupy to have what they desire. Should it be dismissed? No. Does blaming the opposite sex for not being physiologically desirable as a soldier to fight within these wars created by those of your own sex group make sense? Also no. So you can separate from women, and that's honestly up to you.

                        [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

                        Should it be dismissed? No.

                        But it is, though.

                        You people created the oppression olympics, don't be surprised when competitors arrive.

                        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                        I'm not a "you people". I'm just an individual, much like you are, that is required to live under the allowed circumstances that are granted. I did not create anything. We don't have to appreciate the cards we're dealt, we just find ways to work around the inconvenience or shitty aspects until the power to change things arises. Why not desire a more balanced system though? We can acknowledge that men are more physiologically equipped for combat, and that women are able to give birth without confining them to roles based around that.

                        [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

                        You people created the oppression olympics, don't be surprised when competitors arrive.

                        We both know that men will win this competition. We've been bred to win competitions - the few men that don't win will be sent to die in war or slave in the fields for the "Ladies first and wealthy men" - society. It is simple evolution. Men are simply better at everything, be it victimhood or superiority.

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                          [–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                          That's a myth. Ashamed to see it here.

                          https://historyofwomen.org/wifebeatingthumb.html

                          Yea we know men died in wars, it's the only argument you losers have and keep hammering on about.

                          "If you're a woman and I'm explaining something to you in a rude and patronising manner it won't ever be because you're a woman. It will most likely be because you're a fucking cretin."

                          uhu

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                          [–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                          What? Upset i can back my stuff up ? lolol

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                              [–]CandyUwU 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                              Globalists want to turn men and women against each other

                              Conspiracy nonsense

                              so we don't unite and discover our true power

                              There's no "true" power. What is this? Some "superhero" movie in which "forces" unite to fight?

                              Feminism exists because women were treated as no little more than breed slaves with no rights to vote, inherit, own property, open bank accounts, etc

                              I agree we women have it hard. Misogyny is ingrained in society. And men treat women terribly.

                              But I also see the MGTOW side. I don't agree with every single thing. Some of them would claim stupid things like "don't let women vote" or "have women stay in the kitchen". I just agree most women are manipulative, mainly psychologically, that society has the backs of women even when they commit terrible acts, while tossing men aside, and making them do extremely "excruciating" jobs that women would never want to do themselves. Sexism affects both men and women.

                              I'm all for men actually going their own way, and staying far away from us women, so that men can have their true "freedom". My only wish is they recognize our rights, do not be misogynistic, and do not expect women to stay in the kitchen and mop the floor for them. MGTOW is a good, necessary movement, that is misinterpreted.

                              Please get out of your bubble and understand both sides 🤷‍♀️

                              [–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                              Globalists want to turn men and women against each other

                              Conspiracy nonsense

                              Well documented fact. Divide and conquer.

                              Some of the MGTOW don't represent all of them.

                              This applies to all groups, everywhere.

                              Some voices on SaidIt don't represent all of SaidIt.

                              /s/Rights - for everyone.

                              [–]CandyUwU 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                              Well documented fact. Divide and conquer.

                              Not everything is a war.

                              Some of the MGTOW don't represent all of them.

                              Exactly, which is why "MGTOW is a bad movement, because some MGTOWs said xyz" makes no sense.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              Not everything is a war.

                              All wars are class war, and class war is perpetual and they aim for full spectrum dominance over every aspect of all life on Earth. They've said so.

                              Exactly, which is why "MGTOW is a bad movement, because some MGTOWs said xyz" makes no sense.

                              Agreed. You could say that about anything.

                              [Group] is bad, because some of [group] said [xyz]."

                              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              You don't realize that we are living in a great war right now, it has been going on in our hearts and minds for centuries. Look on this thread alone, people have already lost in many ways, but struggle to accept just where their foes are. You are in a war, and you are losing. Men and women from all cultures are being turned against each other, it is really bad in the West, already established as normal in the East. You have superpowers, but since you deny them, you will stay impotent like the other threadmembers. u/JasonCarswell is right, every war is a class war, perpetual, until there are no more free individuals in any of the classes. Don't deny the cult, they are in your life right now, and in the lives of the others on this thread, it is evident that your mental processes have been shaped by the cult from birth. It is a given, unless you were born and raised by hardcore pre-traditionalists, of which there are few around.

                              [–]Vulptex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                              I agree we women have it hard. Misogyny is ingrained in society. And men treat women terribly.

                              I agree. But I think men have it FAR worse, at least now. Men have a lot more expectations in addition to this treatment, including being forced to fight in a war and never cared for by anyone. We are nothing but disposable machines to serve society. And men also have crappy brain chemistry and baseline states to deal with, since every fiber of us is repurposed for performing our roles for the clan. Feeling this way 24/7 is extremely depressing, especially knowing there's no hope of it ever ending. Literally the best I can possibly feel in this state is "somewhat happy", because my personal life doesn't matter AT ALL, it's all about what I do for the clan.

                              [–]CandyUwU 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                              I never meant to disagree with you OP. You're right that we women may have it bad, but men have it worse.

                              We have done a great job addressing the discrimination that has kept women subject to various ideologies for years, but no one has addressed the discrimination men face, and what they go through. It is important to remember that men are under social pressures and have sexist expectations put on them by society, the society that wants men to cater to women.

                              MGTOW provides men with the right solution, for men to stay away from women in every aspect, especially because society is not kind to fix the issue.

                              Don't let the words of others who bash the MGTOW movement get to you, okay? Believe in your own path. And know that there are people like me who support you and the MGTOW movement.

                              [–]Vulptex[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                              I'd take my own path in a heartbeat but unfortunately my neurology and biology are on the men-bashing side and it's pretty much preventing me, as I've lost all the abilities I need, and even if I hadn't I've lost the ability to enjoy anything. People don't care so much about women while laughing at mens' misfortune for no reason, it's nature. The female is much, much more scare for accomplishing reproduction, and all of our bodies and brains and social instincts are developed around this fact. This world can never be fair to anyone born male because nature is opposed to it.

                              [–]CandyUwU 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                              May I ask if you believe in "free will"? If you do, and if there is such a thing as "free will", you can go against the instincts, the brain, and the socialization. It may be difficult at first, but it can be done, as long as there is motivation.

                              [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

                              That's so stupid, it's better to keep those guys in one place than scatter them to the wind even if you find them odious. Like when they banned the incel sub the incels went everywhere.

                              Like incels, mgtow is not a good life strategy in case anyone didn't get that memo.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                              For many it's not voluntary nor even a choice.

                              [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                              They think it's not a choice. You ever see when these incels post pictures of themselves? A lot of them aren't bad looking guys. It's their ideology that repulses women. Many of them seem to feel entitled to some mythical 10/10 cat eared anime waifu of their dreams while simultaneously hating women for that not happening.

                              Mgtow, ignoring the incels who flock to the movement for a moment, are often guys who have been screwed over by women in their relationships. I feel for that, I really do. But they have the choice to let their experiences make them bitter towards all women, or to not let one (or honestly several) experiences define them. Women are people too, there's good ones and shitty ones.

                              I've noticed the friends in my life who keep getting divorced gravitate towards women I would uncharitably call hoes. They keep picking that kind of woman and wonder why it doesn't work out.

                              There was a point in my life I thought I was going to be forever alone. In retrospect I was really bad at noticing all the women interested in me. It was all in my head. I stopped caring and went on with my life and everything worked out. Lonliness and desperation are huge turn offs. You can fall into a self made trap where you are the own cause of your continued misery.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              I agree with all of that, except that it only applies to some, not all.

                              Also, not everyone needs or wants a partner. I would be better off with a lot of things, including a good woman. I also know I'm better off now without a bad woman.

                              [–]H3v8 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                              Lonliness and desperation are huge turn offs.

                              I don't think there are many men who would reject a woman for being lonely.

                              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              You ever see when these incels post pictures of themselves?

                              You mean the fakecel trolls? The true genetically inferior don't take selfies.

                              [–]IkeConn 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                              If it is good, controversial, or just plain fun Reddit bans it.

                              [–]cqtz 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                              Regrouping/other locations or links/archives:

                              There are some locations in the sidebar of /s/MGTOW (most of which are down/gone) or here.

                              Other links I've seen:

                              Meanwhile, /r/MGTOWBan on reddit is trying to ban more subs.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                              See also:
                              /s/Rights
                              /s/MensRights
                              /s/MGTOW
                              /s/Feminism
                              /s/Women

                              [–]Solarcore 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                              Shame. Regardless how the most of the discussions there often were, the core ideas of MGTOW (J ust do your own thing and never mind conventional relationships if they don't work out for you) seem to be decently grounded and suiting approach for some men. Curious niche - although often distasteful and crude, not really worth of banning.

                              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              I agree, at its core it is not a bad idea at all. It just attracts a bad element.

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                                [–]bluetinfoilhat 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (23 children)

                                They took too long banning it. That subreddit really spread that ideology wide. If only YouTube would start banning similar content. I am not libertarian when it comes to free speech.

                                [–]Cass 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

                                Who the fuck cares. If the sad losers want a support group to get them through life let them have it.

                                [–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                                There's been 3 terrorists directly linked to that sub.

                                I'm not in favour of banning MGTOW but it is weird they survived while so many other subs with not one single little mass shooter got banned years ago.

                                [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                                There are folks with issues everywhere. There have been several self-confessed suicidal folks here. Silencing them won't help them. Maybe those 3 "terrorists" could have used more support to prevent it. There is a war on men and whiteness and any threat of independence to the status quo.

                                [–]Vulptex[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                My theory is that we torment people with mental problems because we instinctively want to drive them to suicide if they can't handle it, because it removes them from the gene pool. Especially men, because women inherently matter by virtue of having a uterus while men are only valuable for their achievements. Nature is sick and twisted and downright disgusting.

                                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                "Nature is sick and twisted and downright disgusting."

                                This is also why you cannot break the cell door, you look at nature in a subjective light. Be more objective, and you will get somewhere.

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                                    [–]aniani02 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                    Really? Why would you ban some guys who are sharing their experiences with each other? Isn't the main idea is to have a war of ideas and let the best win? If you get to sensor, you're not any better than Mao or marxists. The first amendment is there for a reason.

                                    [–]skeeter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Casual use of the word "censor" is a class Q crime that is punishable

                                    [–]Yin 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                    I am not libertarian when it comes to free speech.

                                    You (your type) are the only ones who should be banned. How do you like that lack of liberty?

                                    [–]Vulptex[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                    Censorship for thee but not for me!

                                    [–]Vulptex[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                                    Why use this site then?

                                    [–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                    I am not libertarian when it comes to free speech.

                                    We don't support your free speech either.

                                    [–]FuckMasks 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                    You're pro bans? You believe in misinformation?

                                    [–]skeeter 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    fuck mgtow.

                                    video: one night in bangkok - remix

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBu-ewMRhkA

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                                      [–]fschmidt 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                                      Glad to see them banned. MGTOW hate free speech like all modern scum.

                                      [–]myloudneighbors 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                      About time. Incels/nice guys just stop existing if you hate yourselves that much. But another demographic, rather prominent one of theirs, closeted homosexuals hopefully found a better place. It's weird how many MGTOW are actually gay, but refuse to accept it. Unless they get a positive gay community (reddit) recommended to them, they are doomed. Oh wait, it does not exist. It's all "you prefer genitals? bigot" lol trans rhetoric. Like dick? Bigot. Like pussy? Bigot and death threats. Reddit will die soon, tho.