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[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 funny7 insightful - 0 funny8 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

This is an updated version of our old welcome message here: https://saidit.net/s/AntiExtremes/comments/3a/welcome_to_antiextremescom/

If you ever need any help feel free to ask me! And of course special thanks to /u/d3rr who is the other main developer of saidit.

[–]Kill_Time_XIII 6 insightful - 1 funny6 insightful - 0 funny7 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Just signed up today. Thank you for another alternative.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Glad to have you here, welcome

[–]noah 5 insightful - 2 funny5 insightful - 1 funny6 insightful - 2 funny -  (13 children)

Saidit's sub 'subscribe' system is an opt-out system […] This means that when your account is created, you're automatically subscribed to all subs

So what happens when theres 10,000s of subreddits, and I make a new account? Will I be subscribed to all those? Or is it just for the time being due to low traffic on anything?

When will 2FA be implemented? It would be great if it was phone-free too (i.e. QR code, or code).

Do you have a roadmap of new features that will be coming?

Thanks!

Quick edit: coming back to my first question, it may not be a good idea whatsoever to do the "sub to all" thing. There's already a few weird subreddits that people may not want to see. I understand the audience Saidit is appealing too, but still, some people may not want to see that stuff (i.e. Pizzagate)

There seems to be no way to unsubscribe from a subreddit? Also, is that what they're called: subreddits?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 4 funny6 insightful - 3 funny7 insightful - 4 funny -  (3 children)

Eliminate PizzaGate?!

Pedogate is a global crisis (PizzaGate is D.C.). Everyone should have easy access to this information. I agree that it's hideous, but that's the point. The public needs to be aware of this ongoing disaster, and be able to recognize the signs.

The reason it's unpopular is all of the MSM flack. Please don't suppress information.

[–]noah 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

Eliminate PizzaGate

I didn't say that.

Everyone should have easy access to this information

Yes, but I think it's stupid to be subscribed upon creation of account. It's like being subscribed to /r/politics when you create a Reddit account.

The reason it's unpopular is all of the MSM flack. Please don't suppress information.

I'm not. I — any many others — simply don't want to read it. I guess I signed up for the wrong site.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

I apologise for being overbearing.

Please understand that I have an anti censorship bias.

Everyone is free to unsubscribe from any given sub.

Unfortunately, there are important ideas/facts in many subs that most people would never come across if they have no exposure.

My underlying assumption is that you are opposed to censorship, as well. Right?

[–]noah 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Yes I hate censorship.

It's not a big deal for me (being subscribed to whatever), and probably anyone, as it's super early days of the site. We have the freedom to subscribe and unsubscribe if we wish.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (6 children)

Yes you'd be subscribed to all of those in that scenario.

We don't use 2FA because it's an anonymous forum, and also we don't really want to collect people's emails or phone numbers. I suppose we could think about making it optional for email, thanks for the suggestion.

Our roadmap for new features hasn't been shared publicly, but we've got about 35 new features on our to-do list.

We did the sub-to-all thing because saidit is just starting out, so we wanted to make sure people were seeing all the content that is available. We don't want saidit to look smaller than it is so early on.

They're called subs. To unsubscribe you simply push the 'unsubscribe' button on any sub, or you can go here: https://saidit.net/subs and unsubscribe from those you want.

Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to help.

[–]noah 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (5 children)

We don't use 2FA because it's an anonymous forum, and also we don't really want to collect people's emails or phone numbers.

2FA is still possible without mobile, or email. It's probably actually safer not to use either of those methods, and code the method I advised (usually scanned via QR code, but you can just type the algorithm thing)

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (4 children)

Wouldn't this QR code approach just be equivalent to having a second password? Do you know of any sites using this approach?

[–]noah 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (3 children)

I'm not sure if I'm technically getting it correct. Authy, Google Authenticator, 1Password all have inbuilt One Time Password managers.

The QR code is the same as a regular code. You can scan a code, or, alternatively, type a code that the website provides. The code and QR are the same input (same pass phrase) and output (same OTP/2FA)

Almost every 2FA website (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Amazon, Cryptocurrency sites, Discord, Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, WordPress) uses this method over SMS verification.

Here's a YouTube video. I just searched "one time password" and this was the first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTd2t4LWIE

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

But those codes are usually sent to the person's email or phone?

That's the whole idea between 2FA, is that you use two gateways to access the person to verify their identity. So if you just give them a secondary password right in the page, and they just copy-paste that in, that's not anymore secure than 1FA. It has to get to them via a route only they have access to, like email or phone.

[–]noah 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

No, these codes can be hardware or software, and do not require internet connection. If you have your password compromised, hackers will still not be able to login, as they do not have your 2FA code. I don't know the whole "behind the scenes" of how it works, but once the pass-phrase is generated, it cannot ever be accessed again, or modified (can't be modified when you set it up either). If you disable, and the enable 2FA for your account again, you will get another pass-phrase.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

No, these codes can be hardware or software, and do not require internet connection.

I'm don't think we can expect our users to want to download and install special software, nor do I think they'll buy a hardware device to do the same. Maybe in a few special rare cases, but not as a general use case.

[–]Synergy_synner 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

So what happens when theres 10,000s of subreddits, and I make a new account? Will I be subscribed to all those? Or is it just for the time being due to low traffic on anything?

I hope they update this in the future as this place grows so that new accounts don't have to go through the whole list.

There seems to be no way to unsubscribe from a subreddit?

If you are still subscribed to all the subs(?) this should help you if you haven't already seen it. (if you already did all this then feel free to ignore)

[–]MrMetalFingers 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

AFAIK they’re just called “subs”.

[–]VeritasQuaesitor 4 insightful - 1 funny4 insightful - 0 funny5 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Hi! Glad to be here!!

[–]Soulova 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Hi

[–]Mnemonic 4 insightful - 1 funny4 insightful - 0 funny5 insightful - 1 funny -  (4 children)

  • Top of the Sub:

What is it: Top of the Subs aka 'TotS' would be a sorting tab (like hot/new/funny/top) where the (lets go with) 5 (for now) top articles of every sub are displayed. This would also be sorted then like top, so the different sub-stories are mixed. So if you had a long day, you can get an easy overview.

  • New on the Subs

What is it: New on the Subs aka 'NotS' would be a sorting tab like like hot/new/funny/top/TotS) where the (lets go with) 3 (for now) top articles of every sub are displayed. This would also be sorted then like new, so the different sub-stories are mixed. So if someone is dumping their music library you can visit this tab as still see other posts that are new.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

These sound pretty good. So it's about giving every sub a fair shake and not letting popular subs overwhelm hot and new and top, on /s/home * and /s/all and /s/subscribed ? For the time range, it could use the "links from" filtering, and you could pick "past 24 hours".

[–]Mnemonic 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Exactly!

Because there may be good links out there in subs you are not subscribed to and these could be a way to discover them (and discover new subs to subscribe to).

For now it's still okay to be subbed to all, so more a future thing.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

I see magnora likes it too. I'll add it to our list for such a time when we stop auto subscribing everyone to everything.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Interesting ideas! I'll have to think about them for a while, because this is like a 30+ hour project, but I do like the ideas and intent. Kind of to keep one sub from dominating any tab.

We've also considered limiting people to 15 posts a day (not counting comments) in order to cut down on people dominating the site too much in one day. I like your approach too. Maybe we'll do some combination of them.

[–]RedPillPusha 4 insightful - 1 funny4 insightful - 0 funny5 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

I LOVE THE NAME!!! Sounds just like reddit. But it's way better! Just finished reading and totally love the no downvotes option.

VOAT's branding just doesn't appeal to me. My mind dislikes seeing www.voat.com then their logo in All Caps, without using A's, and not spelled VOTE.. Kind of annoying haha.

Plus there are not many people here yet but there is so much potential!! I think we all need to make sure we share this site with everyone on voat so we can increase our chances of diversification.

It reminds me of Hydra, cut off the head and we'll grow back TWO!

Love you guys and so proud of such a fast comeback. Let's kick some ass and get this information out there.

I hope SerialBrain2 chimes in!!

PEACE :)

p.s. - I'm going to try and make some meme's to post later ;)

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. And thanks for helping get the word out about saidit!

[–]dgtronic 2 insightful - 2 funny2 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 2 funny -  (5 children)

whats the policy on posting original content ( self created ) versus having to post other peoples content ?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Either way is fine, but we definitely value original content the most!

[–]Mnemonic 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

If you had chosen another name, nobody would know. So no problem as far as I know. We also have another one who does that.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

There's no policy. Automated submissions are frowned upon.

[–]dgtronic 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

whats an automated submission ?

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

bots posting links or posts or comments

[–]TheGreatRoh 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Signed up today. This looks like a better system than Reddit. Kind of like how OSRS is to RS3.

I’m concerned about keeping “extreme content” away. As long as it’s keeping out credible threats of violence, and the doxxy behaviour, I’m fine.

How is this website going to prevent a repeat of Reddit?

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Welcome!

As long as it’s keeping out credible threats of violence, and the doxxy behaviour, I’m fine.

Yeah, it's basically stuff that could get saidit shut down, that's the only things we really ban. We don't want to put the platform on jeopardy.

We plan to prevent the repeat of reddit by having a different voting system, different site rules, and an admin team that won't sell out and consequently turn a blind eye to bot teams and astroturfers.

Also the fact we have 2 types of upvotes, so if funny memes ever take over the site, you can easily filter them out to focus on insightful content.

So we've got several preventative layers that will keep us from going down a similar path as reddit.

[–]Twisted_Code 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

hmm... that pyramid looks familiar...

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Yup that's where I got it from. Such a great design

[–]Drizzt 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Can i buy stock in Saidit?

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Not yet, but soon. There are links to donate at the bottom of the page though

[–]Nechama 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Signed up yesterday. So glad there's an alternative to Reddit. I was getting tired of all the negativity. I love that there are no downvotes here. It's so much better to have upvotes as you can tell popular posts and if you don't like something you can just not vote for it instead of bashing it with a down vote. I think downvotes also lead to manipulation of posts by being able to increase the discrepancy between posts making it easier to force a post higher by forcing others lower. I also really like the opt out vs. opt in system. After a year I still have no idea what all the subreddits were and kept being surprised when I found a new one that I was interested in. This way you can see right away what's available and then create a list of all those you want by slowly excluding those you don't. This means you won't miss any you want to follow. Thanks for creating this! I can't wait to learn more about it and read what others have posted here.

[–]Riva 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

This is great! Is this based on the Reddit API? Could I modify current Reddit apps to plug into this one or did you coffee from the ground up? Looks like a straight clone but I know the admin area isn't included in the original Reddit git repository. At least it wasn't when I tried to do this.

Thanks a lot! I hope this is the next evolution. I was on Digg before the mass migration to Reddit and have been watching Reddit decline for years.

Do you have a team or are you a single person doing this? Great job either way! And thanks!!

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Yes it's based on the reddit API so there's a very good chance you can port over reddit apps. We've already ported RES which you can read about here: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/je/res_for_saidit_supports_chrome_opera_firefox_and/

Glad you like it, and it's cool you've been around since digg too.

It's mostly myself and /u/d3rr doing the work to make this site happen, but there's a few others who have helped with parts of it.

[–]Rowan 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

Thank you for this forum. I don't have any questions (yet) just wanted to make my first post to establish myself and see how the formatting works. :)

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Welcome!

[–]Rowan 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Thanks

[–]Mad__cuz 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

yoo where the big subs at?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

You can check out https://saidit.net/s/ to see all the subs listed in order by subscribers.

[–]Fwort 1 insightful - 1 funny1 insightful - 0 funny2 insightful - 1 funny -  (4 children)

My account is two weeks old now and i would like to create a sub. Where is the option to do so?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (3 children)

Hi, you can just go to the main page of saidit and you will see the option listed below the "submit post" buttons on the top right

[–]Fwort 1 insightful - 2 funny1 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 2 funny -  (2 children)

Oh oops, I just realized that 12 days is actually not two weeks. ...not really sure how I missed that, sorry for bothering you.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 funny2 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 2 funny -  (1 child)

Haha no worries. :) If you need anything else just let me know

[–]Fwort 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Alright, thank you!