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[–]magnora7[S] 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

This is the paragraph that mentions saidit:

To build Ovarit, Fain organized with the former moderators of r/GenderCritical and a handful of other collaborators in a Discord server. Making a new website from scratch would take too long, so they looked for a preexisting platform with open-source code. The team thought about using the open-source software behind Saidit, a popular Reddit alternative that hosts many banned Reddit communities—including the QAnon subreddit r/Pedogate and the snuff-film subreddit r/WatchPeopleDie—but it wasn’t secure enough.** (The group was worried about cyber attacks.) Another platform, Raddle, didn’t offer moderation tools, which would be important if outsiders ever came to Ovarit to cause trouble. They thought about Lemmy, a federated alternative to Reddit, which hosts the also-banned Reddit community dedicated to the popular left-wing podcast Chapo Trap House. Fain says that didn’t work out because the developers of Lemmy are “actively anti-feminist,” while the developers told me their code of conduct “contains a section against anti-trans bigotry, [which] means we wouldn’t help them in any way.”

** This article previously misstated that Fain and her team considered moving to Saidit. In fact, they considered using the open-source software behind Saidit.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

That's pretty neat that she brought the site up. I remember only just stumbling onto their subreddit maybe a week or two before they had gotten banned, and ended up following them over here. There have been a ton of grateful women that moved over here through all of that. It's had its ups and downs overall, but it's a comfy place.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (27 children)

Nice! Here's the lead Ruqqus dev saying he wishes he would have thought of your two-upvotes-no-downvotes idea. I happened upon it the the other day, thought you'd dig it * now with timestamp

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    [–]Zapped 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    I think I remember the Ruqqus founder talking with u/Magnora7 about getting his site running and M7 offered free advice. He seemed excited and grateful at the time.

    [–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah I tried to form an alliance with them and offer help, but they seemed like their plates were full.

    [–]American_ 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    Lul, they wish. How long was it before they bent down and blew SJWs and shut it down?

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    hahaha yes, it's a terrible example. His +general community and kicking posts to there is way more interesting.

    my hot take is ruqqus never had a /s/subscribed aka 'popular' feed, which really fucked them and ultimately ruined the site. because this feed didn't exist, they had no way to show logged out 'normies' 'tame' content. they could only show them the /s/all feed in its full free speech glory.

    their ideas for fixing this issue were insane, like admins marking which subs were offensive and which were not, or prompting you to choose what you were interesting in before seeing any content, like a damn online dating site.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Insightful and fascinating stuff I hadn't considered before.

    [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That makes a lot of sense, I agree with that analysis. New users saw their most extreme side right away and ruqqus admins didn't have a way to change that without just changing the whole site culture.

    [–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

    Check this out, I was looking around for more saidit-related media and I found this guy showing people saidit in arabic with 1,800 views:

    That's a new one.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    I see hearts and smiley face emojis, whew....

    [–]Zapped 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    It looked like he was using s/technology as a backdrop for the tutorial, too.

    [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Lol. I'm just impressed the arabic works and is usable, I've never seen the saidit arabic language pack in action before

    [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    At the 6:30 of the video: Ah, yes. I remember the "Horse Cock Enthusiast > Nazi" post. At least it was citing how crazy Reddit has become.

    [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

    I love his praise of saidit (and man does it warm my heart to hear someone knowledgeable say "I wish we had thought of that"). I also think he is dead-on about his assessment that saidit got stuck being perceived publicly as "just a reddit clone". Even though we made a lot of changes to the functionality, he is correct about the general perception of saidit. Just kind of reaffirms my idea that we should launch another separate site and just pay someone on like $500 to completely redo all the CSS to look modern (and most importantly very different from style), name it like or something and roll the dice again. And just let saidit keep being saidit. Our costs are so low that we could run 5 websites for the amount of money it took ruqqus to run one, lol.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    we should launch another separate site and just pay someone on like $500 to completely redo all the CSS to look modern

    Works for me. I'd like to see the saidit branding change to more accurately reflect what it is, something like 'civilly debate anything'. Maybe that's just small potatoes but it could help toward not being "just a reddit clone". I love how the Ruqqus guy throws that criticism our way all the time while he also builds "just a reddit clone".

    [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    I've realized the difference between "something totally new" and "just a reddit clone" is literally just the appearance of the UI for 99% of people. Ruqqus was "different" literally only because it looked different. I think genuinely many people see layout and they instinctually assume it's corrupt in the same way because it visually looks the same. This is one thing ruqqus got right, and I'd say honestly it's the main reason they caught on so much. It just looked fresh.

    I'll start poking around fiverr and see if I can find someone competent who will take on this huge CSS project.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    they instinctually assume it's corrupt in the same way because it visually looks the same

    You're totally right, it's the goddamn CSS. They constantly talked about Ruqqus being purple.

    I'd say honestly it's the main reason they caught on so much

    It helped for sure, but I think their killer feature was their "US free speech" content policy. They were citing case law and shit in their content policy docs. They unleashed that amidst the /r/thedonald slow push off of Reddit. They pulled in Trumpers who were scared of Voat. But then it all backfired when Voat imploded over their insane hosting costs. You are right about us being able to run 5 websites for the cost of 1, that's one of our killer features. Aaron Swartz and Spez designed it well back in the day.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm as keen as anyone on good branding, design, and makeovers, but I wonder if there are any other more pressing issues that need to be dealt with first.

    [–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Like updating the app, maybe?

    [–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You're totally right, it's the goddamn CSS. They constantly talked about Ruqqus being purple.

    They really had a purple fetish. Frankly, I always felt Ruqqus interface was pretty ugly. It had those needlessly large guild links on the side, when it could just show more links at a glance if they cut out the icons. Saidit is so much more simple and pleasant to look at. And I never had a problem using the desktop interface. And you can save comments/posts. Like, sure it's an old.reddit clone- but if the non-clones look and work like Ruqqus, then well...

    Well, they were still loads better than voat, I guess.. lol. Terrible site that.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah I wasn't a fan of their UI either. They wasted like 250px of vertical space on every list page with the fake "submit a post" field.

    And you can save comments/posts.


    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It helped for sure, but I think their killer feature was their "US free speech" content policy.

    Yeah that's a good point, but they were far from unique in that regard. This plus their CSS (and the fact the site worked smoothly) is truly the thing that set them apart. Then they just lost control of the culture once it grew past a certain size, and I think the ruqqus admin team fractured from external pressures (real or manufactured). So the craziness of the culture they manufactured ended up being their downfall, in a way. They had a tiger by the tail and lost control. Meanwhile saidit has a more level-headed culture, which is more sustainable.

    You are right about us being able to run 5 websites for the cost of 1, that's one of our killer features. Aaron Swartz and Spez designed it well back in the day.

    Amen to that!

    [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Nice. It is great to see people who know what they're talking about, re-walking the pathway we've already completed.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

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    I'm using the latest Basilisk which DuckDuckGo always thinks is PaleMoon - both are Firefox-based.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    At 2:57 ".....which I know they've done a lot of their own hard development work to improve upon the Reddit code base....."

    Pat yourself on the back, why don't ya?

    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Thats strange

    [–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    Someone posted this a while ago I guess, here's the thread about it:

    [–]Noam_Chomsky 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    Funny how the TERFs are always attacked for calling a man, a man.

    Some of the most critical people (IMO) are the men who know damn well that trans are not women.

    The aggressive trans videos never show any trans dude aggressing upon any man that's their same size.

    Most men would would never dream of laying a finger on a woman, but will thoroughly beat an aggressive wolf in sheep's clothing.

    I'm not advocating violence.

    Just pointing out that self defense is a key feature in a free society (which is under siege).

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      [–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      TERFs are only critical of mtf transgenders because they hate men in general though

      These women don't have it easy.

      Somehow they have come to the conclusion that men are the primary enemy.

      This conclusion is about as legitimate as any racist view.

      I don't disagree that they're oppressed. They are. So is most of the planet.
      The entire world is being forced to submit to a medical dictatorship.
      It's worth stating that they probably have it better than the incels.
      At least they have a dignified banner.

      Imagine an incel protest. Unlikely in the west.

      I could imagine one in China... 55 million strong.

      The Chinese Communist-Business Party brought down by an incel giant-slayer.

      How did you say David in Chinese?

      Anyway TERFs are ok. The real men still love them.

      [–]Entropick 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      The internet fucking sucks now

      [–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It really does.

      [–]goobandit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Has the term “reactionary” always been understood as “right-wing?”

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      I'm not sure what the current official definition is but to me it should mean someone reacting to something, certain sites sping up as a reaction to censorship on social media, in this case reddit. IMO right here with this case, including men in feminism and lesbians is a conservative thing. Women don't want it, and get men forced on them. It is liberal and leftwing to "allow" feminsits and lesbians a place online to discuss their issues. Of course there will be other examples where it is a right winger reacting to censorship by the left.

      [–]goobandit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      to me it should mean someone reacting to something

      That’s pretty close to where I’m at with it, and I know people can get different search results or whatever, but look it up and see what you get.

      I get that it’s a political science term where the “reactionary” group wants to oppose progressivism, but isn’t progressivism based in challenging the establishment? Like why isn’t that opposition considered reactionary if the establishment status quo has always (at least that’s what progressives say) been conservative? It just seems like another way to add a dismissive connotation. Like, anything that opposes progressivism is “reactionary,” “right-wing,” “ultra-conservative,” really?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I first heard that word I think when I was reading some of Trotsky's works. I wondered if something might have been lost in translation, because he must have been writing in russian originally and I was reading it in english. To me based on the root word react, it didn't seem to be an insult, so why wash e using that word for people that wanted him dead. I learned he wasn't trying to insult them, he was above such tawdry use of words, and was just trying to describe what they were with accurate words. Any time there is a mass movement there is bound to be people that react to it. Re-act. Important distinction. We shouldn't necessarily feel insulted if we are called a reactionary. It should be a way to start a dialectical discussion. What are we reacting to and why, and in what way. Maybe we are right maybe we are wrong, let's discuss it calmly and come to a conclusion. It'd be nice if we could but of course tempers are inflamed.

      [–]goobandit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Maybe we are right maybe we are wrong, let's discuss it calmly and come to a conclusion. It'd be nice if we could but of course tempers are inflamed.

      Popper...are you fucking lowkey calling me reactionary right now? =P but just to be clear, I made my initial comment more so feminists could see the framing of them as “reactionary” for going against the “established” idea that trans women are women.

      Associating the word with being “right-wing” and “conservative” in several online, normal ass dictionaries is what I’m highlighting. It’s more subversion of language against feminists.

      The article is about feminists, specifically TERFs. It’s a very biased article about their “secret internet,” which they created, not unlike other “reactionary” banned communities, further described as hateful, bigoted echo chambers that had to be purged from Reddit for their toxic ideas. And when they mention “reactionary alternatives” like Saidit, oh look Saidit picked up pedogate and watchpeopledie, nice they reacted to preserve their wrongfully banned, very wholesome interests. To me, the crux of the matter is that established authoritarians hate when the groups they expel are fine without them. It’s DIY, which is libertarian, which they also call “right-wing.”

      It’s never used in a positive situation, like Hey look at her standing up for what’s right, she’s so reactionary! No, this sharticle is another example of women being told that pointing out inequality makes them “crazy.” Feminists said men can’t be women, and somehow that is “reactionary” and “alternative.”

      Also any effort I put into this rant doesn’t correspond with how little I care that the author continues to use the word. I’m not like demanding an apology. The site needs more back and forth like this so I’m doing it.

      [–]HibikiBlack 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      That's really cool. Although I'm sure too much attention will lead to trouble...

      [–]jet199 6 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

      Don't worry, that article is written by a women so the authorities will take no notice.

      [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Oh of course. It was 10 months ago though so I'm not too worried. It's not like Chappelle mentioned saidit in his latest set or anything haha

      [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      It's not like it matters I'm controversial enough all by myself and end up becoming a lightning rod for trouble. But then again, things would be really boring otherwise...

      [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Well that's something you and I have in common. I, however, don't mind boredom. I just hate ignorance so much that I can't help but blurt out the truth. And wow does nothing piss people off more than an inconvenient truth. I try to wrap my truths in fun or entertaining ways, much like one would wrap a dog pill in a piece of cheese so the dog eats it. But sometimes the dog still just eats the cheese and spits the pill out. What can you do, lol

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

      It's great to see this.

      /u/magnora7 - I've read that:

      SaidIt has a self-declared nonpartisan bias and lean for uncensored anti-corruption news and content. here

      But I and others see only right-wing and so-called 'alt right' posts and comments (excluding mine) on Saidit, and most of those posts and comments are supporting the extreme right-wing disinformation propaganda of the corrupt .01% .

      Genuine question: what are your thoughts on this aspect of Saidit?

      [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

      Most people here reject Q-anon, AND there are plenty of moderates here, you just ignore them.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      Note: "most of those posts and comments..." (Q-anon aren't the only extreme group.)

      Name the moderates

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      moderates never get banned off reddit so stay there

      i don't really have an explanation for why more true liberals don't come hrre, maybe cuz they see tons of rwers

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I think it would help if there were more moderates - that interesting discussions would develop. I only know of one, and perhaps another, moderate. The problem I and previous moderates have faced is constant harassment for anything we state or post.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      You are not moderate, and are as fake as AOC.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Why, so you can belittle them?

      Or so you can call them alt-right?

      You don't care about understanding this userbase. You wouldn't have a shit post sub if that were the case.

      The fact that you mentioned Q anon at all proves you are disingenuous. I can only think of one user who believes that nonsense.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Why do you make things up in all of your responses to me? It's impossible to discuss anything with you because you'll focus on imaginary issues you've made up and that don't relate to the discussion. You're an unusual user. Others don't constantly make up lies with all of their comments? Some of them do, but not as consistently as you do. The lie in this case is that you mentioned Q-anon in your previous post, in response to my first post, which did not mention Q-anon, and now you criticize my mention of Q-anon, as if it were my idea in my first post (but was not mentioned there). Instead, my mention of Q-anon was in response to your comment on the term. You do this sort of thing constantly, which re-directs discussion, which is NOT really about Q-anon. My 1st comment is about political bias. That's it. You also note that I don't "care about understanding this userbase", which is another lie, as many will tell you. I am here in order to try and understand these right-wing posts, some of which are extreme. I say this quite often. This is also why there is /s/ShitpostNews, which is a list I keep of the latest propaganda developments. Anyone can post there and make comments. If I were not trying to understand the userbase, I wouldn't have that list/sub. Please stop bothering me with these misdirections. There are other comments on Saidit you can read. Also - stop dragging discussions down the POD, as you do with EVERY response to me. Saidit is (supposedly) for civil discussion. When I noted this last time, you noted that I don't represent Saidit. This is another misdirection. One does not have to represent Saidit in order to follow the rules about the POD. I refer to the POD and M7's introductory invitation to Saidit. It's really simple and should be referred to more often.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If I claim that you are a liar and drag down the POD, will it make me a good moral citizen too?

      You can always block people you don't like.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

      SaidIt has a self-declared nonpartisan bias and lean for uncensored anti-corruption news and content.

      Give me a fucking break.

      I wrote that in 2019, literally on April 1st, though not as a joke.

      When I wrote it, that page was long dead in 2017, and after me in 2019 someone moved the page, remaining dead since.

      Your inauthenticity, bullshit, and ability to dredge up conflict knows no bounds.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      Nothing wrong with asking about the statement. Is it, or any part of it, true or not true?

      SaidIt has a self-declared nonpartisan bias and lean for uncensored anti-corruption news and content.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

      Is it, or any part of it, true or not true?

      Are you, or any part of you, authentic or just a lying sock of shit?

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      You call yourself a "truth seeker". Tell the truth. Is your sentence factual? Is it not? Was it a joke, and thus not factual? Moreover, where is Saidit's self-declaration that it's non-partisan and anti-corruption? (And stop insulting people who want to know the truth.)

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

      (And stop insulting people who want to know the truth.)

      If you're not a lying sock of shit you have no insults to worry about.

      If you can't see how you're lying, shilling, and supporting authoritarian bullshit, then you're not trying hard enough, as only you can stop most of the animosity that comes your way. If you're authentic it will be transparent and clear, but you're too deep in your own dense bullshit that you wear like a suit in a forum that doesn't like it. Why? Because you're here to disrupt.

      Stop. Your. Bullshit.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      Again, you've not answered the question (as has happened regularly), and instead want to post insults. It's really sad, Jason. That's an easy question to answer, and you don't have to answer it. (Repeatedly posting insults instead of information is merely a cowardly bullying tactic, often by those who want to spread lies without being questioned. You will see this in all of the extremist propaganda, paid for by the .01%. You be you, Jason, not those people.)

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      Instead of asking a question to my question, answer it or try asking a proper question - or just fuck off with your abundance of BULLSHIT LIES.

      People know the difference between authenticity and your sealioning and shilling for the authorities. Your smears don't work and neither do your big pharma lies.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Instead of asking a question to my question

      Look at the thread. You are lying. You responded to my question, which is:

      Is it, or any part of it, true or not true?

      With insults instead of an answer, and with this paranoid schizophrenic question:

      Are you, or any part of you, authentic or just a lying sock of shit?

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