Attention: woketard/trolls have invaded the website and got sophisticated

submitted by bucetao6969 from self.SaidIt

It appears the trolls got more sophisticated now.

They're actually trying to argue with people. Before they would just spew chatGPT nonsense or spam a nigga or nigger here and there or talk about jews or say hitler was based and so on. It appears that changed.

They're actually trying to discuss with people. Think like Hassan but they actively make an effort to make themselves look genuine. They know how to argue because they understand YOUR side of the argument so they use that against you.

It's at least better than the old trolls. Their rethorics are exhausting but at least you get material on how to deal with woketards on real life since they talk the same. You can use them as a training exercise if you will, or just block them.

They're harder to spot than previous trolls, because they're not obvious at all compared to the old ones. Good luck!

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[–]LarrySwinger2 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Let's not become an echochamber. This site was originally called Anti-Extremes, and it was equally opposed to right-wing radicalization. Various users see that the left-right political spectrum is a tool used by elites to divide people (although I wonder how many of those are still active). My impression of /u/HemaTomato is that he acts in good faith. He talks about his personal life and seems to have knowledge on various subjects. He just has different views than us on various things and isn't afraid to speak them. And we should encourage him to do so. That's what this website's very slogan is about, after all. This way we can have healthy debate and perhaps learn a thing or two from each other. I feel like the pyramid of debate hasn't been relevant because we all have the same general perspective on how the world works. But now's the time to show that we can still abide by it. Let's value argumentation skills and respect people's right to disagree.

By the way, the ChatGPT nonsense is posted by Fedward, he just alternates accounts.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is different.

This new wave of trolls happened just as we are facing one of the biggest DDOS attacks on saidit that made it so the protection system affected heavily the usability of the website

add to the fact their tactics are different. They're heavily upvoting themselves, they know how to argue with people, a bunch of them came at the same time. Hell, a bunch of them probably upvoted you here too since you're the only trusted user of the website to actually argue with me in defense of them.

Even magnora stepped up to fix some of the instability.

I don't want Saidit to become a echo chamber too... but it's not? The only subject that unites the website as a whole is trans skepticism but everything else the users fight a lot on. It's more or less impossible for it to become a echo chamber because magnora only deletes call to violence.

Remember that if they wanted they could create their own echo chamber community (like /s/wayofthebern or /s/lgbdropthet ) and stay away from the other users... but they actively choose to disrupt discusison.

Talk any opinion about anything and these guys will come to you just like I described in the post. I think they put a lot of users on a list already.

You should take off your "echo chamber" glasses and look at the situation on how it really is.

Have you actually read the post history of those new 10 day old accounts????!!!!

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I assumed your post was a reaction to the controversy around /u/HemaTomato. Two users have threatened to leave if we tolerate him in chat. Maybe we're talking about something different.

Regardless, users from /s/wayofthebern slipping into the other parts of the website does not equate to disruption. So long as they act in good faith, it should be fine.

[–]binaryblob 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Don't you mean that this site was designed to be a propaganda channel and you are painting those not sitting in a troll factory as trolls?

[–]Raja 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

HA!

Ya rekt him, the rectum

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

of course, 2 comment account

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

incredible post history 😂😂😂

[–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I mean, the whole point of this site is to allow anybody to speak freely. In the case of harassment, the block button is your friend.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Of course.

I'm also here speaking freely about the freely speaking individuals disrupting the whole thing.

I'm not asking magnora to ban them. This is simply a warning for all the other well behaved users.

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And I'm here speaking freely about you speaking freely about the freely speaking individuals disrupting the whole thing with their free speech. 😄

[–]IkeConn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I use the "block user" feature often. Especially with bone conducting headphoners and indian tech firm spammers.

[–]Cancelthis 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That would be using the term "tech" very very broadly.

I think you use the term "tech" when what you might want to use is "desperately poor Indians held hostage and their families held hostage over pesticide debts "

[–]bucetao6969[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

That's fine. I just thought I would mention these because they're harder to spot. Also good to mention blocking them might not be as useful.

[–]cunninglingus 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Seems you got your feelings hurt when I disagreed with you. Grow up. You're also wrong about non-fascists at Saidit - there is a maximum of 6 that I can count, up from 3 a month ago, and they visit only once or twice a week, raraly commenting. What you've seen in the past day or two is me and one new non-fascist. Deal with it. Your only contributions at Saidit involve hatred. What a coward.

[–]SMCAB 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

You don't even know what the word fascist means. Just like a typical useful idiot.

Go eat some tenders and shut the fuck up fatass.

And quit upvoting yourself you little bitch.

[–]cunninglingus 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

And in your case: schizo retard fascist

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Stop upvoting yourself you little bitch.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, real fascists keep fit, clean their rooms and shower everyday. Don't find much of that on saidit.

[–]noshore4me 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You had me in the first half, but then used "bootlicker" and discredited the whole diatribe. Pity.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look at that guy whole comment history 😂😂😂

[–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The Election is coming.
That means corporate "influencers" get paid to manipulate all internet forums.
Additionally some activists became active.
We had some invasion from hateful "anti-hate" before, and from other fascists.

I suspect that many will get Myocarditis (or a variant) in a few years.

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

🤦‍♂️

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ok but why would they be HERE out of all places?

Is Saidit the new twitter?

BIG if true!

[–]brimshae 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ok but why would they be HERE out of all places?

"Because fuck you, that's why! Reeee! Fascist! Reeeeeeeee!"

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is anyone here?
So it is on a list. They may see this as a future alternative.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So it is on a list. They may see this as a future alternative.

It was always on a few lists.

But the latest lists we got added onto bought a new dynamic.

It's fair to say the cloudfare check will be constant from this point on. Not just a temporary thing.

[–]brimshae 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect that many will get Myocarditis (or a variant) in a few years.

Sooner rather than later, I hope.

[–]hej 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is this why I get a cloudflare challenge that I can't pass to cast votes?

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hej då bög

[–]IlluvitarG4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've noticed some strange activity too...

[–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They've always been around. I've noticed more agitation recently...

[–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Like I said, they got more sophisticated.

Add that to one of the biggest DDOS attacks as of the moment.

Something big is coming.

[–]spaz 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

?

spooooky

[–]bucetao6969[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

troll ^

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Better to not respond unless you just feel like arguing for no reason. They don't have any interest in honest discussion, and will happily engage in a gish gallop just to get you to waste your time. They sure seem to have plenty of time to waste themselves. Some of them comment at a volume like it's their job (maybe it is).

[–]Hematomato 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Man, you guys are just obsessed with the phrase "gish gallop" on this site.

It's sort of like how over on Discuit they were all obsessed with "paradox of tolerance."

I'm just glad that "cuck" has mostly faded. That phase was annoying. "Cuck cuck cuck cuck." Everyone was a fucking chicken.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Found one!

[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I still remember when the word "troll" had a meaning.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Found the comment you copied from!

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But there are new trolls on the site that seem to just want to waste your time, argue anything and everything and do the classic gish gallop of answering a single comment with a dozen points, all easily argued individually but pointless to address all at once. And they have no interest in even considering what you’re saying. Simply trying to waste your time. So the term fits.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Note: Hematomato is one of those trolls.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe they automated it!

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ask yourself WWHD? What Would Hitler do? /s

[–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

u/bucetao6969, wish I knew who some of these people were you were referring to.