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[–]Datachost 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Felton was surprisingly based too. One of the few younger cast members to stand up for her.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I have been a massive Stephen Fry fan since his ‘A bit of Fry and Laurie’ and ‘Jeeves and Wooster’ days, and I always admired his rationalist empiricism. Well one interview has chucked all that out of the window, once and for all. He’s like the pathetic cunts who parrot “we all know that Islam is a religion of peace” after some children have been blown up.

Fry told podcast Beeb Watch that Ms Rowling is still a 'friend', but added: 'I have trans friends and intersex friends who are deeply upset by her.'

He was then asked by host Roger Bolton: 'Are you actually saying both [sides] should stop fighting?'

Fry said: 'I would love to see that. But it isn't possible if each side looks on the other as an enemy, and the trans people just shout 'TERF' and the feminists just [...] seem to undermine the dignity and rights of the trans community.'

Fry added: 'I don't think there's a winner. I know that JK Rowling doesn't want to see trans people bullied, alienated, shut out of society, made to feel ashamed, guilty, laughed at, all those things.

'But I also know [...] that there are people who believe that safe feminine spaces and the idea of the difference between sex and gender is very important and that they [...] repudiate, with all their strength, the kind of [gender theorist] Judith Butler idea of created gender and so on. And it's not an argument I want to get involved in, because it's upsetting to both sides.

'I would...wish them both to retreat, and to consider that it is possible for trans people to live full, accepted lives, according to their terms, in society, and for women to have all the rights and dignities that they demand.'

He added: 'The reason I felt very, very much as though I needed to say something when I did was because, particularly since finishing Potter, I've met so many queer and trans kids and young people who had a huge amount of identification with Potter on that.

'And so seeing them hurt on that day I was like, I wanted them to know that not everybody in the franchise felt that way. And that was really important.'

Meanwhile Voldemort actor Ralph Fiennes told the New York Times last month that Rowling's treatment by some online has been 'appalling'.

He said: 'The verbal abuse directed at her is disgusting, it’s appalling. I mean, I can understand a viewpoint that might be angry at what she says about women.

Fry, often touted as such a towering intellect, has failed to realise the incompatibility of the two positions and the religious nature of gender identity. He also has no understanding of the socially contagious nature of transgenderism in young women, nor the fetishistic nature of it in middle-ages men and the homophobic nature of it in young boys.

/#NotMyJeeves.

[–]Datachost 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

and intersex friends who are deeply upset by her.

Statistically unlikely to know multiple people with DSDs unless you're involved in their advocacy. Someone's pointed out that he's previously worked with a known faker, so that's probably who he's talking about

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe Jamie Lee Curtis who of course has a trans kid so is not really upset because she is intersex but because it highlights her failure as a parent.

[–]bife_de_lomo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What the hell are "safe feminine spaces"?

It's sad he's fallen off the deep end.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fry, often touted as such a towering intellect

He's said himself that his main ability is having a photographic memory not being particularly intelligent.

Like many famous gay men, he has had to defend screwing teenagers while an old man, roping them into a relationship when they should be growing up and having fun, so he has some personal benefit in supporting queer theory stuff.

[–]FlyingKangaroo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine Fry being such an asshole that he equals intersex to trans. Well, bullshit queer ideology so no wonder.

(That being said, I also suppose what he meant by “intersex friends” are self-diagnosed attention seekers or women who think PCOS makes them intersex.)

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The funny thing is, Stephen Fry is essentially calling for respectful dialogue, which is a perfectly fair point. Yet when Graham Linehan and others made they same request, they were summarily excised from their jobs, social media platforms, etc. The fact that Stephen Fry is able to make comments like this and go uncancelled while someone like James Dreyfus is branded a bigoted transphobe and memory-holed from his own career is.... very telling.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fry is uncancellable, not through being rich like JKR but because he occupies a particular position in the public consciousness.

Dreyfus and Linehan just do not occupy that same position, and Linehan alienated a lot of the people who would have supported him through his previous activities (for which he has now apologised). What happened to Dreyfus is sad because as far as I know he has always been a good guy.

[–]Datachost 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Fry, 53 continues: "I feel sorry for straight men. The only reason women will have sex with them is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want"

Gross

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Another pathetic whore falls for the "my wife just doesn't understand me" line.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)