Do you know any good trans people? Most that I know are anywhere from creepy (even though they are nice) to outright intrusive.

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[–]BenitoGreen99 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

There was a transwoman (MTF) in my last job; she's one of the coolest, most down-to-earth persons I know, and so not a TRA. She's been living as a woman for about 20 years now (after years of therapy for diagnosed gender dysphoria), acknowledges and doesn't deny her being a biological male, is not obssesed with pronouns and against the current queer ideology/transing kids/doesn't even like pride. A normal person with a normal boring job. These are the type of trans people I respect.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I think in the past they only used to give surgery to people they know could take a joke or insult because they acknowledged that's what they were setting them up for a life of.

[–]chris3991m[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I see, thanks for letting me know

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The most down to earth MtF i know fully understood how bad surgery was and could joke around a bit but eventually ghosted the group after demanding i apologize because i said "her" boyfriend was not straight. The other friend in the group would constantly fumble over pronouns but i would say "they" to avoid causing problems. It turns out he was apparently counting up every time i said "they" so whenever it got to the point that i refused to apologize for saying the boyfriend was "not straight" I got hit with the box full of "you never make a mistake and call me he so using they every time is even more transphobic".

Prior to that I knew 2 gay guys who were dating at university. One of them transitioned but they didn't break up. This MtF was always a bit irrational and would be sitting there normally then suddenly pop off over nothing. So this acquaintance didn't break up with the new MtF but i think once again it was another example where the MtF was mad that the guy wouldn't call himself straight. Eventually it caused a physical altercation and the MtF went after him with a knife in the dorms. The school did nothing about it so he got a restraining order and the MtF wasn't allowed in the same building as him. This is how i found out about it. I walked into the LGBT center and the newly hired ultra brainwormed staff were out loud discussing how bad they felt for the MtF and being critical of the guy for getting the police involved.

Prior to that a different gay friend hooked up with a FtM then jokingly said on social media that he finally lost his virginity. No mention of any names or anything. The FtM saw this and freaked out over the implication that this was heterosexual sex. That person ended up withdrawing from all classes and being put on suicide watch because she had sax with a guy and he later implied it was straight sex.

So for me it's just people freaking out over the gay vs straight labels even if they act reasonably otherwise (the first 2 weren't reasonable otherwise). The most recent was but then turned on a dime.

[–]BluuDegenerate 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Imagine trying to stab someone and then being shocked that they have the AUDACITY of... calling the cops? Also the gay straight freakout is hilarious, trannies find someone that will actually fuck them but its not good enough because the person won't say that two guys fucking each other in the ass is straight

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Age old story. Gay drama of some gay guy deciding he's a woman actually because lol of course no man would want to be with a man right? Causing strife for their gay partner who isn't totally down with the woman thing because he's gay. Duh. Or go the opposite way with lesbians. I'm sympathetic to a point. Though I'm far more sympathetic towards the gay guy that has to deal with his partner suddenly changing who he is rather than just accepting himself and living with it.

Knew a straight guy in a similar conundrum. Wife suddenly decides she is a man and that they are gay. Guy is broadsided and tries to go along with it but doesn't work out, ends in divorce. I'm an asshole and at a distance the whole time because I say it from the beginning, it won't work out, lo and behold I'm right.

The girl not feeling particularly "feminine" or wanting to dress more masculine or whatever, no problem, nobody cares, her husband doesn't care. Girl insisting that they are now gay will cause problems. And it did. But everyone is too damn nice to point it out ahead of time so they gotta go through the slow motion train wreck.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I've met a couple of people whom I suspected were trans that otherwise seemed normal, in the sense that they weren't acting incredibly weird, weren't trying to be the center of attention, and are otherwise nice enough people to spend time with. Don't really ask about the trans stuff or their gender since it's none of my business and as long as they don't make it my business I'm happy to let them be.

Otherwise normally you'll just notice the crazy attention seeking ones since of course they are the ones doing crazy shit to be noticed and putting up all the internet crap.

Same with gay people really. Plenty are normal and you'd never know unless they tell you. But there's a reason that the stereotypes started and that's because of course, normal people are going to notice the crazy people first. 60 or 70 years ago for example if you ever find out someone is gay it's probably because they were doing something they shouldn't like predating on young boys or behaving inappropriately in public like doing dumb shit in park bathrooms. So that gets associated with homosexuality in the mainstream consciousness.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Same with gay people really. Plenty are normal and you'd never know unless they tell you.

Queers on the other hand are zero percent normal. Though that's to be expected as their gender is "Look at me, look at me!!"

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Anyone who would call themselves a slur is already kinda dumb. Course the yanks would be big on it.

[–]Dzonatan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

May be shocking for you, but that's how reclaiming the word works.

[–]BluuDegenerate 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Reclaiming" words is retarded, it effectively tells people that they were right all along; you ARE a queer

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Only works so far as to not give insults power over you. If I call you a retard, and you laugh it off and make fun of yourself, you kill the insult, but if you serious make it "yeah I am a retard and I'm proud of it" well that's just admitting to how stupid you are.

So queer, word means "strange". People started using it as a slur, whatever, you really want to reclaim a word that means strange? I'm weird and I'm proud of it? Yes you are definitely weird.

[–]Dzonatan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. Which is why the word needs to become a descriptive and not a slur.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think the difference there is that everyone knew gays existed and they weren't considered "crazy." For example the popular TV show in the 70s "Threes Company" had the premise that the landlord did not allow unmarried mixed sex roommates in his apartments. There were 3 women in this apartment and one moves out. This guy needed a room but the landlord didn't allow it so the guy pretends to be gay and he allows it. Gays certainly were not widely accepted but it wasn't like no one knew what they were.

Fast forward to 1991 and you get silence of the lambs and that seems like the only mainstream portrayal of a transexual that I can think of. They were also shown as sex workers in other contexts but I can't think of a sitcom which tried to portray them as common.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's enough old people around with extremely negative opinions of homosexuals. Usually I can guess that it's caused due to most of their experience with them being down to unwanted sexual advances when they were young. Which makes sense to me since of course if gay people were not public about it the only way a normal person would ever be clued into someone being gay or not is if they were behaving badly.

Trans people tend to be more visually identifiable, tend to be, some of them are not, the ones that aren't attention seekers usually want to be left alone and do their best not to stand out. But they aren't going to generate much outrage bait on the internet.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think older people are generally more accepting. It's mainly younger and middle-aged people who are going down the "God hates fags" pipeline.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Our own u/Vulptex has the gender dysphoria and is severely mentally ill, but he's got the sense to understand that trying to intimidate others into lying to you isn't going to fix what's wrong. Overall he seems like a good, if troubled, guy.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Wait, seriously? I didn't even know that. Granted, I don't interact with him much. But I don't interact much with weegs either, and I know he's whacked in the head.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

He's very open about it. And often very down in the dumps about it. Poor sod.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I thought I did but the HSTS I knew and defended came out and said that he thought people who don't think transwomen are women should be genocided.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I doubt s/he thought that before gender ideology.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No, it's due to the ego inflation caused by constant false flattery and affirmation.

They are going to hit the ground hard when liberals move on and the next group comes into fashion.

[–]IkeConn 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Every trans person I have ever met is profoundly unhappy. You can't wish yourself to be a different sex and "medical treatment" is bull shit.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Gee, I wonder why they're so unhappy then

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There was a friend of a friend I would see around a bit who was very introverted, possibly an aspie, who about a year or two after I met him, quietly announced to everyone that he was going to live as a woman. And this was going back awhile before it turned into the flavour of the week. Anyway, he did it slowly and didn't cause anyone any strife if they didn't treat him like a china doll. He got on the hormones and last I heard he got the chop and gouge. I don't doubt he really does want to just live a quiet life of trying to be as feminine as possible, though let's face it - even though he puts effort in, he's not fooling anybody.

[–]QueenBread 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Well, it takes being mentally ill to be trans, so of course most of them are creepy. Especially since male trans are usually autogynephilic men or self-hating homosexual men.

That being said, Debbie Hayton seems like a very good and reasonable lad, for example.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think for AGPs who are sexually motivated, castration really does 'cure' them to an extent because it removes their driver for transition. Hayton has talked about his journey of 100% believing he was some kind of woman to recognizing that you can't actually change sex. Most of the rest of the world is moving in the opposite direction.

[–]JulienMayfair 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know one relatively chill trans person, but most I've known over the years have been pretty odd in one way or another. At best, they are difficult to deal with.

The one that peaked me was someone I worked with one evening doing poll greeting at an election site. This was a large man in an ill-fitting dress with a bad wig on. I was dressed professionally, trying to make my best impression on potential voters. He would loom over them and was obviously making people uncomfortable. In-between handing out voter materials, he talked about his various mental illnesses. He probably did our party more harm than good. There was NOTHING about this person that was remotely feminine, not the way he looked, not the way he talked, not his body language. I walked away thinking, "Why would anyone take this remotely seriously?" That led me to the Gender Critical subreddit and, eventually, here.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your argument is entirely based on stereotypes, the very thing TRAs use to "prove" trans ideology.

[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are lots "trans/non-binary" people online in some of the hobby communities I hang out in (arts, music and programming related.) Most of them are fine; they are basically the goths/gays/bohemians of this generation. They tend not to get into politics too much in those communities, but for some reason they all insist on outing themselves at some point. Reminds me of the old joke: How do you know if someone is trans? They'll tell you.

Once in a while an ideologue will join a group, spray a bunch of trans propaganda or complain about some made-up issue, and all the allies will jump in with encouragement while everyone else just keeps quiet until they go away. Which they usually do, since these communities are generally apolitical and have nothing to do with porn or other degeneracy.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Most of the trans people I know are decent people all around and generally cool - a big reason why I don't fight the need for equal rights, I fight the specific fucktards mentioned in the things here.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

That puts you in the same category.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Guilt by association is a fallacy and completely unfair

[–]thethrowawayReddit refugee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My ex (female to non binary) is pretty cool. We broke up fairly mutually over the transition (its more complicated than that but you get the gist). We stayed friends and like 99% of the time they just seem like their old self with a deeper voice. That 1% of the time we quietly disagree about trans politics but were both good at keeping our opinions to ourselves for the most part.

The trans stuff usually stays with their trans friends/media

[–]wylanderuk 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Used to work with one (MTF), and frankly It only came up as a conversational topic once in 8 years and was me asking a question.

But most of our conversations were either work related or about what books we were reading at the time, granted she could not pass in the dark at a distance...But they tried and and from what I could see never made any waves and were generally pretty chill.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Recently started to like some music made by a mtf artist but he is a creep I have heard

[–]BlueGoblin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Up to 3 months ago I lived in a student home(11 girls, 4 dudes) with one(I suppose?) . 50% of girls there were lesbians. Anyway there was a FtM who was one just by pronouns. The rest? This faker was roommate with girls, used woman bathrooms and changerooms and never intended to take a pill or undertake medical procedure. For her being a man meant never taking a shower, acting edgy and some sort of slang. There hasn't been a single day where I wouldn't have wanted to ask her if she really thought to be a man, but the lesbians were basically a enabling shield. However, a nice person if you ignore the stench.

[–]NormalPear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One MtF. Transitioned at an older age (not in current times, they're older), but lived a relatively quiet life.

Only thing I disagree with is he refuses to tell his partners that he's trans.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I prefer to not know any. Yuck.