The Unforgivable Ivermectin Swindle

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[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was a sound -medical- biological reason why they blocked all early treatments (for poor people) and told people to stay at home unless they turned blue in the face, at which point you were to present yourself at your local hospital for euthanasia.

Unfortunately that reason is the difference between managing a (non-) pandemic (effectively or not), and the genocide of +1% of your population based on class.

[–]3andfro 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

John Campbell today: FDA and Ivermectin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR4jEvuoF6I&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Excellent. These statements from the FDA came out in a lawsuit brought by three doctors "who were disciplined for prescribing human-grade ivermectin to patients", including Dr. Paul Marik. Another of the three doctors is Dr. Mary Bowden (a Houston respiratory specialist), who was also part of Sen. Johnson's Covid panel discussion:

She used a combination of medications in early treatment, up until recently used monoclonal antibodies but they can't get those anymore. Patients came to her because they said their PCP wouldn't see them. Now people come to her because they're terrified to go to the hospital. Have kept over 2k people out of the hospital; based on current statistics, 20 of those people should be dead and they're not.

My turning point, when I really got angry, was a patient whose wife reached out to me, who was trapped in ICU, a father of 6, sheriff's deputy. Refused to give anything, these hospitals give them low dose steroids, a lot of the hospitals won't even give them breathing treatments or the vitamins. Dr. Bowden testified when the wife sued the hospital to give him the [early treatment] medications and the wife won but the hospital refused to give her privileges. "There's one hospital [in Houston] I trust that I'll send my patients to, and one doctor, Dr. Joe Varon. I'm exhausted. I can't find any doctors to help me."

She sued Houston Methodist Hospital. I don't know the outcome but here is the press conference she held explaining why. (Fortunately, the video clip was also uploaded to Odysee because YouTube took it down)

So, good job all around - they destroyed people's trust in public health officials; in "science" and scientific research; and in the willingness of doctors to actually practice medicine and honor the Hippocratic Oath they took. Furthermore, the mistrust and skepticism this has generated will go beyond pandemic policies and vaccines, for some people it will extend to everything authorities and their media lackeys tell us from now on.

[–]3andfro 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

the mistrust and skepticism this has generated will go beyond pandemic policies and vaccines, for some people it will extend to everything authorities and their media lackeys tell us from now on.

That's the unavoidable lesson for all who read widely and paid attention during the pandemic fiasco-tragedy. It's a lesson to be remembered and acted upon.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And it's the only good thing that's come out of it if it forces more people to commit the unpardonable sin and do their own research. Jimmy Dore's standup bit on this is hilariously on-target.

[–]3andfro 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Haven't seen JD's bit on that but would expect it to be good.

The idea that it's nuts to do your own research instead of relying on "experts" who contradict other experts in ways that raise more questions than they answer is, well, nuts. More accurately, a special type of gaslighting and propaganda. Yet those of us who were forced to realize we must do our own research were demonized for not trusting "the science." (hah) You're gonna get 2 of my favorite Feynman quotes... again:

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.

and

Don't pay attention to "authorities," think for yourself.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

A little over a minute and a half: https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1665078398828576769

Don't have your two Feynman quotes in our collection, but do have these two:

Looking back at the worst times, it always seems that they were times in which there were people who believed with absolute faith and absolute dogmatism in something. And they were so serious in this matter that they insisted that the rest of the world agree with them. And then they would do things that were directly inconsistent with their own beliefs in order to maintain that what they said was true.

I would rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

Just came across these gems recently:

Every villain is followed by a sophist with a sponge. - Lord Acton

When the gospel of safety is preached, and we cannot challenge it, it is propaganda. ~ JR Bruning

The most dangerous forces are not villains who delight in evil, but myopic moralising simpletons who believe that they are doing good. - eugyppius

And, of course, our favorite bad cat:

it features the usual villains up to the usual villainy of “white house pressures social media to take down “disinformation” with all the subtlety (and half the charm) of a mobster named “molotov vinnie” admiring your hay barn and asking if you had ever considered buying fire insurance.

(sorry, got carried away, I'm a quote addict)

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

(sorry, got carried away, I'm a quote addict)

Thank you, Señora Panza! 😺

Obscure reference: in volume 2 of Don Quijote (1615), Sancho Panza drives Don Quijote crazy by constantly quoting aphorisms. Then you meet Sancho's wife, and she's even worse 😺

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Reminds me of a character in The Milagro Beanfield War - hers were more along the lines of "let your smile be your umbrella" but she never ran out of them to her husband's chagrin.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh that's hilarious. Probably borrowed from Quijote. I've never seen Milagro Beanfield.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice movie, directed by Robert Redford. I also loved the book.

[–]3andfro 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All good to excellent and, frustratingly, on display in these times. (Pretty sure I posted those other Feynman quotes--multiple times--and no doubt will post 'em again.)

I'm on board with quote addiction.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Just a side note that it ain't over: eugyppius: Eris vaccine marketing hits Germany, complete with panic about a nonexistent August "Covid wave" ripped from British and American headlines (h/t u/3andfro):

We will not be free of the virus until we are free of the vaccinators.

Excerpts from the article linked above:

This month, lawyers for the Food and Drug Administration admitted in a U.S. court that doctors “do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID”, an admission that stands at stark odds with a multiple year campaign to misinform, misalign and tarnish the reputation of one of the world’s most successful drugs, which could have been used to save hundreds of thousands of lives during the pandemic.

For those who haven’t followed the story, during the course of the Covid pandemic, it was revealed that ivermectin - a drug that has been administered billions of times to humans and is on the World Health Organization’s list of Essential Medicines - was found in numerous clinical trials to have efficacy in early treatment of Covid-19.

If you’ve been at least semiconscious over the last two years, you’ve noticed that early means of treating Covid outside of the vaccines (like Vitamin D, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin) were routinely shunned by “the science” and then, by proxy, the useful idiots in the mainstream media.

The disinformation campaign about ivermectin, spearheaded by mainstream media (“brought to you by Pfizer!”) [great 1-minute clip showing exactly this] reached its fever pitch when the media and government agencies alike appeared to knowingly and maliciously juxtapose the human dosage of the drug with the coincidental and mostly unrelated fact that it was also used in a veterinary dosage to deworm horses.

Government agencies also played along, with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration even Tweeting out: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it.” with a link to an article called “Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin To Treat or Prevent Covid-19”.

Many of us noted during the course of the pandemic that ivermectin’s efficacy was being ignored because it would have stopped Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines in their tracks - they couldn’t have sold the vaccines under Emergency Use Authorization if there were other efficacious medicines available. And if Pfizer and Moderna were stopped in their tracks, how could the “giant sucking sound” of billions of dollars in treasury cash making their way to the pharmaceutical industry have taken place?

OP note: it went beyond official lies to the fact that pharmacies refused to fill ivermectin prescriptions if it was being prescribed for Covid. Doctors were threatened by employers and medical boards with being fired or losing their medical license if they prescribed ivermectin.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Government agencies also played along, with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration even Tweeting out: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it.”

That the US FDA would send out an official tweet containing the word "y'all"...
...should have been a great big red flag all on its own.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Good point, they were probably trying to sound folksy but it just comes across as condescending. I prefer direct insults like "Jane, you ignorant slut."

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Triola exchange is a thing of beauty, but I wish I could still find that nuclear power one somewhere.

[–]3andfro 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Fancy dancing from the DOJ lawyer [Ms. Honold] defending the FDA in the Marik et al. lawsuit:

Ms. Honold said that the FDA didn’t purport to require anyone to do anything or to prohibit anyone from doing anything.

“What about when it said, ‘No, stop it’?” Circuit Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod, on the panel that is hearing the appeal, asked. “Why isn’t that a command? If you were in English class, they would say that was a command.”

Ms. Honold described the statements as “merely quips.”

“Can you answer the question, please? Is that a command, ‘Stop it’?” Judge Elrod asked.

“In some contexts, those words could be construed as a command,” Ms. Honold said. “But in this context, where FDA was simply using these words in the context of a quippy tweet meant to share its informational article, those statements do not rise to the level of a command.”

https://covid19.onedaymd.com/2023/08/doctors-can-prescribe-ivermectin-for.html

[–]AeoooAe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This post keeps soliciting and eliciting and compelling more and more quotes…

”The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential quippy tweet, and on top of that it was the final and sole essential substance in the argument of their defense in court.”

So, no, it was not their command. George Orwell came a long way, but to imagine the surreal extent of the sordid absurdity that totalitarian repression would devolve to in reality, even humanity’s brightest minds have now been proven to have lacked the crazy bolting horse wildness of the foresight and the imagination that turn out to be the prerequisites for this daunting task.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"those statements do not rise to the level of a command.”

So the word "seriously" right before it wasn't really serious?

[–]3andfro 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Apparently not in the context of a lawsuit and a skeptical judge.

But to the public and clinicians, you betcha.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's kind of a dangerous precedent....

So if they seriously wanted to tell people to stop doing something, how can they possibly tell them, seriously, to stop it?
Seriously...

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you betcha.

(wink)

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

From the testimony of Dr. Paul Marik at Sen. Ron Johnson's Covid panel discussion, starting about 3:38:44. Dr. Marik is board certified in internal medicine, critical care medicine, neurocritical care and nutrition science. He was Professor of Medicine and Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine and has over 30 years experience in this field.

What's happening now is completely unprecedented in the history of medicine and across the world. We have a federal government, state agencies and hospitals telling doctors how to practice medicine, interfering with the sacred patient-physician relationship. I can tell you what happened to me: I was using our protocol to treat critically ill patients in the ICU with a host of repurposed drugs. This was a memo (holds it up) sent to the entire health care system. This memo (Covid Comprehensive Treatment Guideline) says I can use Remdesivir, and it includes a "do not endorse" section with medications "that may cause harm and efficacy not supported in peer-reviewed published RCTs. These medications will not be verified or dispensed for the prevention or treatment of Covid." [The listed medications included IVM and ascorbic acid, among others]. Effectively preventing me from treating my patients according to my best clinical judgment. I objected. As a clinician for the first time in my entire career I could not be a doctor. I had 7 Covid patients, including a 31-year-old woman. I was not allowed to treat these people. I had to stand by idly watching these people die.

...it's a terrible thing for me to say, I worked in ICUs for 35 years, but hospitals have become dangerous places for sick people. Patients must do whatever they can to avoid the hospital. Once they're in the hospital they're denied their rights, aren't allowed a patient advocate, their family denied access to the patient, they have no rights and they get the treatment dictated by the hospital.

[–]3andfro 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Patients must do whatever they can to avoid the hospital. Once they're in the hospital they're denied their rights, aren't allowed a patient advocate, their family denied access to the patient, they have no rights and they get the treatment dictated by the hospital.

If more people understood this, the situation might move toward change.

[–]Super_Soviet_Gundam 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most importantly, the hospital will try to kill you. They killed a neighbor of mine that way.

[–]3andfro 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Some 15 years ago, a doctor friend had non-emergency major surgery. Though staff knew her as a medical colleague, as a patient, she was treated as ignorant meat and talked over as if she weren't there. Years before that, we were advised by a friend in hospital management always to have family advocates present when a loved one was inpatient, because overworked staff were neglectful and doctors were under pressure to extend stays and load on billing codes. We're talking >2 decades before COVID.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Years before that, we were advised by a friend in hospital management always to have family advocates present when a loved one was inpatient,

I've always had a standing rule: Someone else has to be there, if at all possible.

My favorite story: Patient had 103 fever, no discernible cause (apparently). Teaching hospital, new Residents/Interns had just arrived two days earlier.

Appendicitis was suspected but not confirmed. Decision was to keep patient until something changed and a ruptured appendix would confirm suspicions. Exasperated, I said "You've got an ultrasound up in OB/GYN! <points in that direction> Why don't you just go look??!?"

They looked at each other and left. Ultrasound was done next morning. Kidney infection.

(I think ultrasounds are now SOP in some cases.)

[–]3andfro 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Patient was lucky you and your commonsense were there. I recognize the importance of teaching hospitals but no longer allow myself to be a guinea pig for interns/residents or a practice body for recertification credits. Could be seen as a form of NIMBY--the backyard being my physical self--but so be it. Also stopped checking the organ donation box on my driver's license about 20 yrs ago. Now I'm too old for my parts to be of interest. :D