Former VP of Pfizer confirms pharma knew the shots would be toxic. "The fact that all four drug companies did it [used the spike protein]... it's a black swan event."

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[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

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A former CDC scientist [Dr Norman Pieniążek] confirms what Yeadon said about the danger of mRNA biodistribution.

I named the mRNA-based vaccines "pseudovaccines" because they do not elicit an immune response after injection. On the contrary, lipid nanoparticles containing the mRNA have to enter a human cell to transfect it into producing the protein that the mRNA encodes. The immune system effectively recognizes such transfected cells expressing a foreign protein as dangerous and kills them. This may explain the sudden deaths of vaccinated people.

On the other hand, vaccination is ineffective in controlling respiratory infections. This has been known for decades.

A video discussion with Dr. Pieniazek can be found here along with a partial transcript (not verbatim).

[–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

On the other hand, vaccination is ineffective in controlling respiratory infections. This has been known for decades.

When pointing that part out, I usually get "but the flu shot!!1!" as a reaction...

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I got talked into taking it one year but after that, no. And I was the only one in my family who didn't get the flu, some of them got it two or three times.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Goes to show that the seeds for the acceptance of the C19 bullshit were already there.

You already had people religiously getting their yearly flu shot, and the tiniest mention that those shots serve no purpose was met with hostility.

But at least those shots are just useless. They're not also an experimental gene therapy based on toxic components.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even fans of the flu vaccine admit that it's typically only about 60% effective, at best, and often much less, especially for the elderly.

There are considerable challenges in working out just how effective vaccines are, especially for something like a flu vaccine, but the consensus is that they probably do reduce the risk of getting the flu. Some studies hint at that they may even improve overall immune fitness, although I would say the evidence for this is weak.

Of course any claims about vaccine benefits must be weighed up against risks of vaccine harms, which are poorly studied.

There is some evidence that repeated vaccination can lower your resistance to the flu.

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[–]Maniak🥃😾 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the consensus is that they probably do reduce the risk of getting the flu.

There's the exact same 'consensus' about C19, and we know what that's worth. It's the one after people stop being receptive to the 'consensus' that the vaccine is super effective and before the one that it at least prevents severe illness.

Basically the benefits are based on 'trust me bro' and thoughts&prayers, while the risks do have some data at least, even though it's negligible compared to the C19 injections for obvious reasons. All for something that's easily treatable.

Sounds familiar somehow.

Of course any claims about vaccine benefits must be weighed up against risks of vaccine harms, which are poorly studied.

Meaning that, given the ease of treatment (when it's even needed), those vaccines are simply unnecessary.

There is some evidence that repeated vaccination can lower your resistance to the flu.

Funny how the vaccine industry reused the exact same arguments for C19. "Sure there may be signs that it's not great or even harmful, but still, you should really keep the injections going, because reasons".

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You seem to be arguing with me as if I was trying to convince you to get the flu shot. I'm not. I've never had it, and I don't intend to any time soon. My judgement based on the best available scientific knowledge I have found is that they aren't worth the bother.

But if other people decide differently, then that's fine too.

There's the exact same 'consensus' about C19

Not really. I'm not exactly saying that I believe the flu vaccine consensus, but the evidence for what it is worth seems to be better (still poor, but not as shit as the official covid vaccine evidence), and at least we know the mechanism of action for the flu vaccines are nowhere near as horrific as the mRNA shots.

All for something that's easily treatable.

Flu isn't really treatable. The best you can do is stay home and drink lots of water and feel absolutely shit for a week and hope you don't get pneumonia.

The most widely available anti-viral is Tamiflu, which is useless shit. Even the most positive studies suggests that it reduces the duration of your flu by half an hour, and the risks of side effects are significant. There are others which may be better, but they're all still pretty iffy.

There might be some other things you can take which help, if you start taking them early on while the virus is still multiplying (I'm partial to Vitamin D and zinc), but broadly speaking it's your immune system vs the virus and everything else is just incidental.

given the ease of treatment

Even with the best available treatment, you're looking at 3-8 days of feeling like shit even with a mild case and no pneumonia. In bad cases it can take multiple months to fully recover. About 1 in 200 cases of the flu are serious. Unlike Covid, which rarely is serious for small children, flu for babies and small kids can be deadly. And of course the flu can be really serious for the elderly.

I've had a bad flu and my rating was 0 out of 5, would not recommend. Why wouldn't you prefer to avoid getting sick in the first place, if the vaccine actually was safe and effective instead of safe-ish and kinda-effective?

Seasonal influenza kills about 0.01-0.04 percent of people who catch it, roughly the same as the Omicron strain of covid. Non-seasonal flu epidemics are typically about ten times that, roughly the same as pre-Delta Covid.

(The 1918 Spanish flu was an exception, it's quite hard to work out the infection fatality rate but it was probably at least 2% and maybe as high as 5%.)

If you like those odds and don't want to get the flu vaccine, I don't blame you. I'm not trying to convince you to take the flu shot.

Funny how the vaccine industry reused the exact same arguments for C19.

Er, did you read what I said? I suggested that there is evidence that getting the flu vaccine every year makes it less effective and increases your risk of flu.

Covid vaxists don't acknowledge even the hypothetical possibility that their favourite mRNA vaccines are lowering your immunity. They barely even acknowledge the risks of myocarditis even after that's become an officially recognised side-effect.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You seem to be arguing with me as if I was trying to convince you to get the flu shot.

Not arguing with you, just commenting on what you posted. I didn't assume at any point that you were some kind of flu shot zealot :)

Flu isn't really treatable

The symptoms are, so you spend a less miserable time while your immune system does its thing against the virus itself. And anything that helps the immune system helps treating the symptoms (by making the whole thing disappear faster), which I would count as 'treatment'.

VitD and zinc are always good things to have, and possibly ivermectin though I'm guessing that studies about its effectiveness against other respiratory viruses will have to wait until the big pharma blockade ends, if that ever happens...

Er, did you read what I said?

Yes, which is why I wasn't implying that you were pushing for flu vaccines. I was adding to what you wrote, not trying to counter it.

This is not a disagreement :)

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were there long before then. The "ask your doctor about..." ads had their effect, hearing so many people wondering whether there was a pill that would fix whatever ailed them turned me into a contrarian on the subject. Which isn't necessarily a good thing but it is what it is.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Under 4 minutes. Dr. Michael Yeadon explaining that it was known from previous work that the spike proteins were biologically active, that they could trigger blood coagulation and are neurally toxic. For that reason, you would never pick this part of the virus to create your vaccine and the fact that all four drug companies did says it was deliberate, a black swan event because in his experience the chances of his peers in another drug company coming up with the same solution as his team was remote.

When your body is instructed to make a foreign non-human protein, every cell that expresses that is now blaring a signal - "I'm being invaded." Your immune system goes to war to kill it in every single cell this material goes into. That's the reason why you see dozens of different side effects - it's one mechanism of toxicity, but expressed anywhere in the body, wherever it happens to land.

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