New survey shows 71% of Americans support sending weapons for the liberation of Ukraine - Happy Birthday 🇺🇦 !

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[–]NuclearBadger 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

71% of people better be forced to fight then, because armchair faggots pulling us into wars because muh tv told me so can get royally fucked.

Ukraine was in the wrong, and they poked the bear too much. They can deal with it.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

USA is not being pulled into the ruzzia's invasion of Ukraine. Nobody except russians aged 55+ and long-term convicts are in any danger of being pulled into this war now.

Ukraine didn't want to be a slave to the corrupt fascist ruski mir, and you call that "poking". Here in the free world, we respect people who would fight for their dignity standing up, instead of dying on their knees. You can go and live in one of the coward fascist authoritarian shitholes if you don't like freedom, sucker

[–]NuclearBadger 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's literally the states' fault ukraine got into this position by using them for all sorts of evil shit.

Look up the last decade of involvement.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't need to look anything up. Why don't you look up the "revolution of dignity" and read how the Ukrainian people have been campaigning for greater liberalisation for years without America pulling the strings.

It's so revealing, that in your mind, nobody wants freedom or dignity without America making them do it.

[–]raven9 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was no revolution of dignity. It was a CIA coup.

[–]NuclearBadger 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, you need to look at what's actually happening. When did I say anything about the normal civilians?

Politicians got greedy, and dirty, and the civilians, yet again, get to eat shit and die because they went too fucking far and broke the system.

You can feel empathy for a stranded people and still say ukraine needs to implode because it done fucked it up.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You said, look at the last decade of [the states'] involvement. I am just letting you know that the driver of the last decade's Ukrainian improvements in democracy and freedom are the Ukrainian people, not anyone else.

The greedy people leading to death, are in moscovy, not Ukraine or America

[–]NuclearBadger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, i'll blame the ukrainian people. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

being led by a controlled puppet actor going around killing Russian-Ukrainians doesn't seem like democracy and freedom

Oh, in the neoliberal sense, that IS democracy and freedom, my bad

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say that, you did, so don't put words in my mouth.

"Controlled" don't make me laugh

First it was really important that the chocolatier was a CIA plant

Then he got voted out free and fair and left gracefully...Huh maybe not a plant

Now the Jewish Nazi professional banderite, part time TV personality is controlling them?

Such laughably bad propaganda.

Killing ruzzian-Ukranians

What? You mean the 50k dead vatniks from the armed forces of the ruzzia, the rosgvardia, Wagner, the FSB national republics, the VDV and navy?

You're criticising the TV banderite jewish-nazi for killing the orcs? Wtf is this shit

[–]Gaslov 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

East Ukraine was tired of being a slave to West Ukraine.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Except the supposed intentions of easterners just happened to line up with an FSB invasion of the region, the so-called "russian spring" and the era in which Ukraine decided to move away from the russia....almost like the whole thing is bullshit

Now the east are among the hardest fighters against the invasion

https://nitter.net/kamilkazani/status/1504103672019513345#m

Russians are shocked by resistance they are now facing in the Russophone East Ukraine. Russians believed it would just switch to them immediately. After all, it voted for pro-Russian candidates on every election till 2014

What happened? How Kharkiv which used to be culturally and politically pro-Russian so quickly turned super anti-Russian? It's a huge cultural change and a very recent one. And the answer would be: Putin's conflict manufacturing strategy killed pro-Russian sentiments in Ukraine

When Putin manufactured the Donbass War he presented it as an Ukrainian inner conflict. Many in Russia bought it. Many in the West bought it.

[–]Gaslov 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Dude, I've been following this since 2008. Your revisionism isn't going to work. Maybe you'll be able to lie to someone else. Even Biden suggested Ukraine give up the east to avoid this whole disaster.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Prove he said that? And what if he did, how does that even support your narrative?

[–]NuclearBadger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

We don't have a narrative you tit. We just say what's going on, that's why we shit all over your conspiracy theories, and quickly, because we don't need time to make anything up.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Are you ok? Hit a nerve? The question to gaslov is, how does Biden allegedly saying Ukraine should abandon the east (X to doubt) support the phoney pro-Z narrative of gaslov's earlier posts, or have any relevance to the comment thread he's replying to?

[–]NuclearBadger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Biden is a janky old retard reading off a script his handlers give him, so if he said something about it, someone above him wants to float that idea about.

I'm not hunting about defending other people on here, but "and what if he did" is potato brain reply.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I like hot dogs. (So what if you do?)

It rained last week. (So what if it did?)

Biden said X. (And what if he did?)

It's fine and correct to respond with "so what?" What does hotdogs have to do with anything?

Ok let's work through this. It's important that Biden allegedly said Ukraine should give up the east (again, doubtful) because in your view, it means someone told him to say that.

Ok, so what? How does that prove the Z narrative? So someone in the American admin once thought the president should say a thing...and that means Putin is right? Do you see how retarded all this is? And you criticise me for asking what the fuck gaslov is talking about!

[–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

go away Nazi

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUKKBN1GV2TY

https://www.rferl.org/a/azov-ukraine-s-most-prominent-ultranationalist-group-sets-its-sights-on-u-s-europe/29600564.html

https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://saidit.net/s/Conspiracy_proofs/comments/9nsr/documents_reveal_the_secretive_forces_behind/

Yeah I know all about the far right threat in Europe, thanks.

I know about geert wilders, aaron banks, marine le pen, alternative fur deutschland, la Liga, austria freedom party....all friends and beneficiaries of Putin and the russia.

Damn, you'd think, if the russia was really worried about nazis, they'd maybe stop letting them bank with gazprombank? They'd maybe stop vacationing with them? They'd maybe stop funneling money and propaganda networks at them?

Huh weird how the only problematic Nazis are the ones against the russia. And not this vast insidious network of far right threats that the russia loves and supports

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    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Entire nationality? No. I don't have any problems with nogais or tartars or buryats. I don't have any problem really with the dagestani people or the ugric.

    Here's who I have a problem with: the white national imperalist moscal katsaps. Who think it's acceptable to maintain a racial supremist empire in 2022.

    I have a problem with Putin and his enablers. And with the soldiers who kill and rape. And with the army leaders who told them that was ok. And the army doctrine designers who knew what massed artillery fire over civilian areas meant. And the air force barrel bombers. And the weapons designers who thought up and assembled the mlrs with every indication where it would be used. And the parents and teachers who raised children thinking genocide and rape were okay things to do if someone doesn't want to be ruzzian.

    It's hard to assign blame only to the Kremlin when 70% of ruzzians are in favour of genocide and rape. When they had decades of access to legitimate western press to check: are we a normal country? Is what our president doing to prisoners and ideological dissidents in ruzzian prisons acceptable? Is crim nash? No crim isn't nash. They knew that and celebrated anyway.

    Because they're a racist imperialist orcish nation. It's fine to celebrate ruzzian misery and economic ruin, because they're using their society as a weapon of murder and rape.

    [–]Drewski 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I'm skeptical of any survey pushing an agenda, but I still wouldn't be surprised if this represented the views of the majority of the American people.

    Most Americans are unaware of the history of Ukraine and Russia, the promise made to Gorbachev regarding NATO expansion, the 2014 coup in Ukraine, the shelling of the Donbas region by Kiev, the missile systems in Poland and Romania, and the refusal of Washington to help negotiate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.

    I really hope more Americans wake up and hold our government accountable, and stop using Ukrainians as cannon fodder in a proxy war against Russia. Too many Ukrainians and Russians have died, but the corrupt politicians owned by the Military Industrial Complex just keep sending more weapons that end up who knows where.

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    First of all. 2014 was not a coup, it was a revolution of dignity.

    The shelling in Donbass could have been observed by international organizations at any point over the last 8 years if only the FSB agents running the breakaway regions would allow any international observers in. But they didn't, because it's bullshit propaganda.

    Missiles in Romania and Poland (you meant to say missile shield, but I get what you mean) are a matter for the polish and Romanian people. If they decide it's the right step for their sovereign defence, and the defence of NATO clay, then it's not on the ruzzia to tell them no.

    Washington was not part of the Normandy accords. They were not supposed to be a part. It had nothing to do with them.

    Gorbachev was not "promised" anything. And Ukraine isn't joining NATO. And if they do, that's Ukraine's decision and not the russia's.

    https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

    Your brain is full of all these lies and misinformation put out by the ruzzians.

    Fortunately I am trying to help by giving you the proofs of the conspiracy against you. Go to s/conspiracy_proofs and look at the stories there.

    [–]raven9 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    First of all it WAS a CIA coup and denying it does not change that.

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Normally here I would ask why you think that and we would look at your sources together.

    But I know you, you're raven9, the guy who believes in alien invasion fake news blogs. So I might as well bang my head against a wall

    [–]Pis-dur 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It wasn't.

    [–]SoCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us-announce-3-bln-arms-package-ukraine-ap-reporter-tweet-2022-08-23/

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

    Ukraine has been given enough aid. It was their choice to pocket the money and sell the weapons already given to enrich themselves at the cost of their sovereignty.

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    Lol! So without weaponry how did they push the ruskis back? "Good will gestures"?

    https://saidit.net/s/WorldNews/comments/9grh/a_quarter_year_in_the_making_worlds_second_best/

    There is no indication that Ukraine has sold a single weapon given from the west. You just pulled that out your ass

    [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Pay more attention to the stories you see on saidit and you'll find greek arms dealers are doing a bustling trade because of this war

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    "pay more attention" just means, you don't have any sources and you want me to do the legwork of backing up YOUR bullshit narrative.

    Ok let's try

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+greek+arms+dealers+year%3A2022

    First result

    Sleepy Greek Port Becomes U.S. Arms Hub, as Ukraine War Reshapes Region

    The flow of U.S. military supplies through Alexandroupoli has angered Russia and Turkey.

    That doesn't prove anything at all. What the fuck are you on about. There is zero evidence for your bullshit and if you "pay more attention then you'll see things which prove I'm right"

    Ukraine is SHOOTING the weaponry at the orcs. Pay more attention to the saidit link I ALREADY GAVE YOU above and you'll see, they haven't traded their sovereignty at all

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    mmmkayyy

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    It's one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and I'm hardly the only one concerned. https://www.newsweek.com/billions-us-aid-vanished-afghanistan-will-ukraine-same-1733077

    https://www.npr.org/2022/07/20/1112414884/corruption-concerns-involving-ukraine-are-revived-as-the-war-with-russia-drags-o

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    This is what you wrote

    was their choice to pocket the money and sell the weapons already given to enrich themselves at the cost of their sovereignty

    Neither link backs up that. You pulled it out your ass. Just admit it. You made it up because you thought it fit in your worldview. And much of your worldview came about in exactly the same way

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Some of us are capable of of independent critical thought, mushbrain.

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    Bruh you cannot just independently decide that Ukraine is selling weapons, any more than I can independently decide that you're being sexually abused by your own mother.

    If you don't have evidence, and have just independently decided it in your head, that's called 'making things up'.

    You earlier just made up this story about selling weapons. Because you felt in the moment like it would fit in your worldview.

    Well guess what, now I've independently critically thought that your mother abuses you, and it's true, and I don't have to prove it to anyone, mushbrain. Muskrat's own mom comes drunkenly into his basement most nights and forces herself on him. And muskrat doesn't fight her off because part of him secretly enjoys the things she does.

    Independent critical thought

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Bruh you cannot just independently decide that Ukraine is selling weapons, any more than I can

    If you give money to a thief they're going to steal it. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ukraine+selling+weapons

    independently decide that you're being sexually abused by your own mother.

    Something is seriously wrong with you.

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    It's a search, moron. If you think you have any proof more than your imagination (oh, sorry, independent thought) then YOU do the search and tell me what you found.

    Just as a heads up, the first result of your search has one source for their quote, Sergei shoigu, who knows less about the war than anyone here.

    Something is seriously wrong with you.

    Why are you taking issue with my independent critical thought, mushbrain? Is it just lack of sleep because of the nasty things you were up late doing? Don't deny it, it's my independent thought

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    It's a search, moron

    Good job. This is also a search: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=afghanistan+selling+weapons

    What about these two searches is alike?

    Why are you taking issue with my independent critical thought, mushbrain

    You're behaving in a childish manner.

    [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Good job. This is also a search:

    Right, it's not information, it's an attempt to obtain information. You cannot cite an attempt, in order to back up your false statements. I can't say that my proof of your weird mom is a Google search I once did on parental abuse. Get it?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Omg, you're a goddamned brat.

    [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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      [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Of course it can. Surveys ALWAYS tell the truth don't you know?

      In unrelated news, nobody ever asked me what I think LOL

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        [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I think the Mockingbird press corps has convinced lots of people that Ukraine is a victim to Russia's aggressor, but I don't think most people are happy to spend zillions of dollars to holhols when we're currently going through a depression in USA. Probably most people who support sending weapons to ukraine realize just how much of their own, personal money has already been sent there. That the same survey says these people think Russia is going to encourage war in the Far East tells me these are alphabet network koolaid drinkers.

        I am smart enough to realize I don't need to be validated by some boring-as IQ test. I'll sit one if you pay me several hundred IRL dollars to make up for the time of my life it costs me.

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          [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          IMO a 5-minute test is not going to give a useful result when evaluating something as complex as intelligence. But I appreciate you trying still.

          [–]RandumbZer0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          71% iDiots

          [–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          We could ship them some emanuel labor from Texas and Arizona.

          [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          Shaking my head. The politicians have lied about every other war, but surely the are telling the truth about Ukraine. It isn't like everyone of our corrupt politicians, all seem to have business in Ukraine.

          But the dumb ass poor, will line up to get involved with it.

          [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          Putin lies everytime his lips move, but surely he's telling the truth about this particular invasion of his. He runs a kleptocratic prison nation with multiple phoney causus belli under his belt - but he couldn't fool at_finn again could he?

          [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let me guess Trump is a Russian agent and Putin's stooge.

          I don't give a fuck about Putin, I don't give a fuck about Russia, and I certainly don't give a fuck about Ukraine.

          What I do give a fuck about is my hard earned tax money going to a bunch of corrupt foreigners, instead of going to improve my country,

          [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          America gets richer when more countries are free market capitalists.

          America gets poorer when foreign powers close off their near-abroad markets into spheres of influence and Imperial Preference.

          Think about it. 40million ukrainians, who after the war will become a newly opened market for general motors, eurodollar bonds, financial market makers, lockheed martin, newport news vessels....etc etc

          America gets rich, when countries become democratic trading nations.

          So don't worry about the investment in Ukraine's freedom taking place now. America will reap the rewards of a free planet

          [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          Yep, just like how in Afghanistan and Iraq...they will greet us a liberators. Just another fucking lie.

          [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          Who will greet who like liberators? Is this a troll post? You know neither of the invaders or their victims are us right? And that the russia genuinely thought the Ukrainians would greet them with flowers and parades. This is trolling right? Because I am telling you that freeing countries from the prison of nations is good for the American economy, which was your earlier complaint- do you have any response to that?

          And what's particularly making my brain melt from your troll comment - is it your belief that ukranians are NOT in favour of America supplying weapons for their liberation? You think Ukrainians on the whole hate America for enabling their freedom fight? Wtf is this shit. Western Europe is aligned with America precisely because USA liberated them from the Nazis. Every year people gather in Holland to wave the American flag. But you think somehow Ukraine will resent America's decision to send aid?

          [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Sorry I am not buying what you are selling. The average American isn't going to see any benefit from our taxes going to Ukraine, the only thing they will see is the dollar being destroyed, because our politicians will either borrow the money or just print the money to give to Ukraine. The only people who will benefit is corrupt politicians and 10% for the big guy Biden.

          You say the Europe is aligned with America for liberating them from the Nazis. All I see from Europeans is contempt and hate for the U.S.A. I bet they can't even name one American buried in a mass grave in Europe, but yet they are all so appreciative.

          This aint my first rodeo.

          [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          The average American will benefit from the liberalisation and capitalisation of foreign markets.

          If this is news to you, you're going to be really surprised when you learn why Woodrow Wilson intervened in WW1. Or why the domino theory was a cause of concern in the 50s-70s.

          I don't care what you think about Europe, your point was that ukrainians will somehow resent america freeing them from the prison of nations - if you're not going to develop that point or explain how it came into your head, then I certainly can't.

          [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          "The average American will benefit from the liberalisation and capitalisation of foreign markets."

          You keep saying that, but I have never seen any evidence of our intervening in other nations ever benefiting the average American. WWI and WWII interventions didn't help out the average American in any way. Just death, liberating people who despise them.

          [–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Ok so seeing as you don't consider indoor plumbing, the internet, domestic electrification, mass transit, modern finance to be of any benefit to the small American consumer - I take it you're dictating these messages from a wooden shack somewhere in the 1940s?