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[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

For the first time in a long time, I'm looking forward to seeing a superhero movie. However, i won't be supporting Disney because they're trash, so I'll either pirate it or I'll buy a ticket to a non-Disney movie and then go into the Deadpool theatre instead.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Why do you say that about Disney?

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Woke

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

But if he is watching this then this is not too woke for him, so why not reward the less woke stuff with your patronage?

Also, woke is really a catch all term for a lot of different far left agendas. I am really asking what in particular upsets hfxbooya, and you. Is it the anti white racim, the child sexual grooming, the DIA, the homosexual agenda, the trans agenda, the diversity hire quality, the references to left wing propaganda?

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This ain't out yet so no one is watching it yet

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He intends to. Obviously he is under the impression that this is not too woke for him.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He said he'd pirate it that way if it's woke he didn't give them money

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

no, he said he really wants to watch it but does not want to give any money do disney regardless, because fuck disney.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're both right.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

why not reward the less woke stuff with your patronage?

Because I don't think Disney is worth saving, and I don't think my patronage would teach them any lesson. But I want to see Deadpool.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Your patronage would encourage them to make more movies that you like, which is good for you. Even if in the end they still die, they will presumable make a few good movies on the way down the drain trying desperately to save the sinking ship.

But that was not really my point, it is an aside. I fully get the "fuck them for having done what they have done" stance. Even if it is sort of shooting yourself in the foot.

My real interest is what specifically upsets you about disney? I think it is important for all of us to think through our positions and be clear and specific about why we do what we do, otherwise everyone else can make up their own reasons which always seem to fit their narrative and are often slanderous and untrue.

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't really care about movies that much anymore, and I'm really just a petty bastard at heart.

As for Disney, they just stopped caring about making entertaining movies. He stopped hiring people who cared about the art and the craft of it, and replaced them with people who had no life experience outside of going to film school and listen to the same woke bullshit as every other person in Hollywood. This problem isn't unique to Disney; It's just that they're the biggest dog in the park. So they shit the biggest turds.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

replaced them with people who had no life experience

They replaced them with diversity hires. No one has special life experiences that make them better story tellers. It is a matter of IQ. Higher intelligence allows people to have a better understanding of the world, to notice things others don't, and gives them the ability to convey those thoughts in various different ways. That is why the old disney writers were able to write compelling stories about characters completely removed from their own experience, like Aladdin. Not to mention most disney movies are completely removed from reality.

Overall quality loss is a big one for me too. It is surreal watching movies these days that have absolutely amazing visuals but a b movie level acting and story. It used to be that you could tell a low budget film by the way that it looks and you immediately knew what to expect. Now the movie looks like a blockbuster but you end up rolling your eyes over and over. I tried watching the marvels movie and stopped mid way because they kept doing the same retarded schtick where the fat one teleports into her living room with her entire family just sitting around to play some stupid slapstick bullshit.

I got past the "it's all chicks who wear the pants while all the guys are ineffectual morons". Only to be hit in the face with a screenplay written by someone with the intelligence of a 14 year old.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with you to an extent. The diversity hires are in place because Hollywood in general, and Disney in specific, has shed its remaining interest in producing creative arts based entertainment. The bean counters are firmly in charge in a way they weren't a few decades ago. When Michael Eisner was Disney chairman before Bob Iger, he was fully bought into the idea of the Magic Kingdom and all of the resplendent Disney magic that accompanied it. He realised that they needed to consistently produce amazing experiences that inspired people and made them want to come back to experience that feeling again and again. And that grew Disney into the creative powerhouse that it was at the end of his tenure. When Iger came on board, he saw a big pot of cash and his big idea was to buy up as much of the competition as he possibly could, hoping that the creativity they brought to the company would sustain their growth. It worked for a good while, but Iger has always been focused on the stock price and not the magic. So when his stable of purchased IP got stale, as all properties do, there was nobody in this now near-monopoly who was empowered to inspire and fund the creatives in the was Eisner championed them.

Now that Disney was fully controlled by the suits and really being run exclusively for the benefit of Wall Street, it was time to squeeze it like a ripe fruit and wring every dollar they could out of it. And that worked in spades. But as the dollars got fewer, they had to start to rely on budget tightening to keep their quarterly earnings reports looking healthy. And budget tightening means fewer dollars for keeping the parks looking good, the new attractions under construction, and taking risks on making great movie experiences. As they went along, they first started running the movies by committee. After all, if you're going to sink a quarter of a billion dollars into the thing, you want it to return a billion plus for your investment, right? And to the suits, the best way to ensure that is by decreeing "do it the same as last time, but just a little bit different". This started to make the movies more bland and less interesting. And as they started losing interest and money, they doubled down on that strategy. Meanwhile in the boardroom, Disney realized that ESG scores were becoming a big thing and if they wanted to keep their stock price inflated, they were going to have to do more than entertain an audience. They were going to have to appeal to the largest institutional investors out there in order to keep the bucks rolling in to continue lifting their share price. And the biggest is Blackrock, whose retard chairman came up with the idea of ESG scores. So if you wanted to get Blackrock's attention and dollars, you had to suck their equitable and inclusive dick. So Iger opened up Disney's corporate mouth wide and went all the way down to the root. They introduced a corporate policy of filling quotas instead of letting merit determine who got the jobs. And so diversity - and not quality - became The Law of the Kingdom.

But they couldn't find enough people of insert identity group here who could do the jobs, so they went searching for people who at least had pieces of paper that showed they were at a minimum, certified to be able to do the job in question. Enter the universities to our little tale of woe. Now, any legacy of bravery or diversity of thought that western universities may once have retained the aroma of has long been extinguished and scrubbed clean with the bleach of political correctness. As a result, the universities have become less and less distinct from the degree mills whose business plans are to give out diplomas in return for cash. Similar to Disney (but decades earlier to the party), as the universities' budgets became more and more constrained, they became less bold and more beholden to the whims of the people who were paying the tuition, to the point where now, many institutions' curriculum are subject to vetting approval by the students before it is taught to them. At this point, a degree in almost anything you want is available to anyone who is willing to go into student debt and pony up the right price.

As such, we do indeed have low IQ / high narcissism types regularly "earning" their PhDs in everything from gender studies to (scarily) medicine without necessarily having the mental capacity to be able to do anything other than turn everything they touch to shit. So we agree there.

However, I maintain my opinion about a lack of life experience in these stunning and brave new quota hires. More and more, I'm seeing higher education splitting into two pathways - community colleges and trade schools for those who can't afford the tuition and university degrees for those who can. And those who can afford a university degree are highly likely to be the ones who have been born into wealth and sheltered from real life experiences. Sure, their parents probably took them on trips to places around the world and bought them the very best educational certificates that money can buy, but at the same time, they never had to look at a bill and wonder where the money is going to come from. They may have had "life experiences", but not the kind where there was the possibility of wandering into the wilderness with a friend and getting lost for a few days. Or doing stupid shit because you were out on your own recognizance because both your parents were working and so they just trusted you to not kill yourself until they got home. Those are the kinds of life experiences that lead to good storytelling. Uncertainty. Conflict. Risk. Actual danger. People wrapped in bubble wrap from childhood can read about it, but they'll never really know it. And so they can't tell compelling stories about it.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The bean counters are firmly in charge

Completely wrong and illogical. DEI is not about profit. It is part of a multi lateral racist campaign against white people. They literally admit it and say it proudly. They call it "dismantling whiteness".

The loss of quality is a side effect. And the consequence is clearly a loss of profitability. How can you claim that is all orchestrated by bean counters?!