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[–]Musky 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Of course this is a war we should be supporting. Russia isn't our bud. They're not just going to live and let live if it weren't for mean old NATO encroaching on their borders. It's a nation that hasn't exactly been coy about its goals, along with China, of replacing the US as world leader. They have ambitions that don't benefit anyone but themselves.

What's bad for Russia is good for the US, and the world.

It's a terrible price in Ukranian lives being paid, not to mention the cash, but this war is cheaper to fund than the one it might prevent or at least delay coming in the next ten, twenty years.

[–]jerryk[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The place to draw the line is Poland, not Ukraine. Ukraine is traditional Russian territory for centuries, Poland is not. We should put ten divisions of U.S. troops in Poland, that will be quite sufficient to keep Russia under control, along with our nuclear deterrent. NATO's current activities in Ukraine are just making Russia stronger, and getting Russia angry. They are not defending NATO, they are making NATO weaker.

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

By the time Russia gets to Poland that's WW3. We can use Ukranians as relatively cheap mercenaries - relative to what it'd cost us to directly engage Russia - in a proxy war and not risk any US or NATO ally lives.

Sometimes I wonder if this was Henry Kissinger's final plan before he died. It's very Kissinger-esque. It's brilliant in a bloody and heartless way. The guy probably has a hard on from beyond the grave.

I'm sure it was no accident it was Ukraine either. We just happened to cozy up to Ukraine, one of the most corrupt nations on Earth, a dozen convienient years before the war. We were grooming them to be mercs. Or at least grooming their government to conscript their civilians to be our mercs.

[–]jerryk[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, I'm not CIA. I don't think like a CIA op, and neither do most Americans. I prefer to avoid wars, not encourage them. There's no World War III when Russia gets to Poland, they won't fight Poland if Poland is strong enough. It's just a natural border for NATO. No problem. Peace through strength, in Poland.

[–]package 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

>unironically advocating for the braindead feedback loop logic of supporting a foreign war because one of the sides doesn't like us

[–]neolib 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Russians online are claiming that

[–]jerryk[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're skeptical? Fair enough. Where else but Odessa could the drone boats be launched from, in the large scale and systematic way necessary, given that Russia controls all other ports on the Black Sea? So, they're in Odessa. If the controllers and factories were out in the open, Russia would have destroyed them all, long ago. So, they're hiding. Where else could they hide, except in the civilian apartment buildings, and why would the Russians be wasting valuable missiles on destroying civilian apartment buildings unless they contained important military assets like these?
You have some other explanation? Mine makes perfect sense, I believe.

[–]neolib 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I think it's meaningless to argue with you because you seem to be firmly in pro-Kremlin propaganda bubble. For your information Russian army destroys civilian buildings all over the Ukraine territory, not only in Odessa.

Those "Russians online" just repeat a tired propaganda talking point - "it's not really civilian buildings, but hidden military ones".

[–]jerryk[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it's meaningless to argue with you because you seem to be firmly in the pro-CIA propaganda bubble. For your information, Russia limits its attacks to military assets and important infrastructure in Ukraine, and in Odessa. These Russians online are telling the simple truth -- Russia wants to win this war, and is doing so.

[–]neolib 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

lol

[–]Entropick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look Mr Cirillo, your Sarah psy-op fell flat, you're making the Russians look more and more competent, for god's sake do something effective or surrender, you look pathetic!

[–]brimshae 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

*checks URL bar* Huh... I was expecting it to say "Reddit.com" up there.

[–]neolib 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I forgot that on Saidit everybody should support Supreme Leader Putin /s

[–]brimshae 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sarcastic comments are supposed to be funny.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Simplicius has long held the opinion that, when Odessa is about to be lost, the NATOids will lose their collective minds. Russia will have to put up with a LOT of nonsense from the west, at that point.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

How do you know

Either Zelensky isn't really in Ukraine, cuz they could easily kill him if he was, or the war is fake and Russia won't kill him because they want the proxy war to keep going.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Killing Z doesn't end the war, it just creates a power vacuum that makes it harder for Russia to deal with Ukraine. Also, Russia is not the one committing escalatory activities here. Assassination is still not on the table and Russia isn't going to be the one starting it.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Interesting possibility. Actually, by this stage, I think the Russians may be finding Zelensky somewhat useful because he's such a total moron. Zelensky may be providing Russia with both the political rationale, and the means -- in terms of his total incompetence -- of taking over Ukraine in its entirety, something that they had not been planning, initially. So, they're letting Zelensky live, in order to use his absolute incompetence in leading Ukraine to advance their own agenda now -- total conquest of Ukraine.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The think about a missile coming close to hitting Zsky, fake news

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It was reported all over the world, and witnessed by the Greek President. Why do you think it was fake news?

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not sure, I haven't seen that reported. Not sure where you heard it. But in general, everything about this war on msm is fake news.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know I can't read stuff from wash post. I'd only trust if they had footage tho. Which is expected, they video everything

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That news anchor says "Russian president" instead of "Ukrainian president". What a tool.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I suspect the footage coming from Kiev at the beginning of the war with Zelensky walking over town squares was fake (meaning either prerecorded or deepfaked), because it would be incredibly stupid to have done so. If it would be real footage, people would have grabbed their phones and record him, because who doesn't grab their phone when the leader of your country is in the streets?

Now, perhaps I just missed these phone recordings, but I doubt they exist (unless also faked, obviously). If Zelensky is safe and sound in the UK or France, that would be the best course of action.

I don't think it would be "easy" to kill him now, because air defense systems work good enough when they need to cover a small area. At the beginning of the war without a real front-line, that was different.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Somethings fake, you think he's safe cuz of air defenses but they also put out the fake news about a missile almost hitting him. If they'd say he's in a bunker at all times I could buy it.