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[–]StillLessons[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The police on the ground enforcing the Trudeau Doctrine are a group to watch very closely.

The optics of these actions are horrific for the government, and the police are exposing themselves in a dangerous way if the truckers win this PR contest, as it appears they are doing. The police would have made friends for life of the Canadian people (ex political class) had they refused to enforce. They would have sided with peaceful demonstrators against tyrannical government orders. Those continuing to enforce need to examine long and hard how they are perceived by the average Canadian. If they think they are being perceived as neutral players - only "keeping the peace" and "maintaining law and order" - they may be in for a rude awakening. That's not how the chips are falling in the perception of the public. Do these officers really want to go down in defense of Justin Trudeau as he is opposed by an ever-increasing percentage of the Canadian public?

Do they not see this dynamic developing? Who are these officers, and where do they live? Who are their neighbors and what do they talk about? I would not be at all surprised to see mass resignations coming.

[–]rubberbiscuit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

mass resignations coming.

You Canadians have a funny way of spelling 'hangings'

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What's the word for multiple guillotine executions?

[–]BravoVictor 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Sounds like he's saying the protesters shouldn't retreat and go home, since they're going to be "punished" either way.

[–]package 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah this and the bank accounts being frozen really makes it seem like the canadian government doesn't understand how leverage works.

[–]theQuandary 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They have to force the fight because all their actions appear so nakedly unreasonable.

If they don't these people go all across the country and tell about how it was peaceful until the cops showed up resulting in even more convoy support.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Trudeau needs to resign and quietly leave the country.

Or be court-martialled and jailed for treason.

[–]johnjdoe 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

i think that you are going to find that the tables are turned the other way around.

the protesters will be hunted down and they will be punished by receiving criminal charges and their bank accounts may be seized.

you are now living under martial law, so the old rules no longer apply.

welcome to the new world order.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Agreed. The government just declared war on the citizens. Plain and simple.

[–]johnjdoe 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

those goofy conspiracy nuts that kept talking about the new world order, lol, dont seem quite as silly any more.

i can remember listening to some meth addicts rambling on several years ago about fema camps, etc, and they kept trying to show us some videos and pics on their phones, but we just ignored them.

its kinda funny that the meth addicts were tuned in on all of this first.

also, you no longer have the right to remain silent, just fyi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJdOEvMVg84

[–]On-Point 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The World Economic Forum runs Canada now. France and New Zealand too.

[–]johnjdoe 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]markmarkmarkymark 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i'm in NZ. where can i get asylum that is not also mad?

[–]StillLessons[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the "developed world", nowhere. The cabal has spread its fingers throughout. The places where any freedom remains are the places still poor enough that they don't possess the resources to sustain the fascist surveillance and control systems required to run this shitshow. If you go there, you will be giving up the seeming "civilization" we have grown used to over the past 70 years, and the security from street crime will still likely be worse than current NZ, but you may be able to create a corner where you can be left relatively alone by the state, as long as you can defend whatever you have from violent crime. Not an ideal option, but it's what remains when the hyper-organized countries have descended into fascism.

[–]StillLessons[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

From the truckers' point of view, it seems time to move to a strategy of selective denial of service. For example, were I a trucker in Canada, I would no longer accept any job delivering anything at all to Ottawa. In the US, ditto for DC. It's easier to deny protesters a space than it is to force them to serve that space. If the truckers deny the laptop class the logistics which they depend upon to survive, things may get interesting quite quickly. This is not an "easy" solution, as violence is assured as the laptop class works to force compliance, but they're doing that already at this point, so what's to lose?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Insightful. Yes, that works. Also, in Québec city, the truckers have a different method: they don't stop. They honk, and they drive around the parliament building, and they don't stop. So they aren't "blocking traffic" but I'll bet they're still annoying as fuck.

[–]StillLessons[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That occurred to me as well. While the method chosen in Ottawa (move in and stay put until the state was forced to show its colors) had its advantages, another approach might have been to make it more fluid from the beginning. Rather than go for long occupation, move in for a week (long enough to gain plenty of attention), then go somewhere else (Toronto, maybe), then keep doing this. Come back and get Ottawa again at a future point, again for a limited time. A moving target is tricky.

It sounds like this is similar to the thinking of the Quebec city protest. Good for them!

Fascism at the level the WEF are attempting it completely fails to account for human creativity, as the fascists themselve completely lack creativity.

All is not lost.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're doing COMMUNISM though, not fascism. The two are antithetical to each other.

[–]StillLessons[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're going to disagree on this one. I see privately-owned corporations and the government enacting coordinated policies together. While there are elements of communism here (CBC is outright state-owned and CTV and others are effectively state owned), the majority of what the WEF are after seems to have nothing to do with explicit state ownership of production. The effects are the same (Google, for example works as an agent of the state), but the formal registration of the ownership structure not being the Canadian government (or US, or UK, or French, etc) doesn't look like Communism to me. Even the Chinese (whose "characteristics" this is all modeled on) had to move away from technical "communism" since the 80s to maintain control.

I also don't see them as antithetical to each other; rather they represent two different flavors of oligarchic tyranny. In communism, the oligarchy is defined as the controlling party (the CCP, for example); in fascism, the oligarchy is defined as the ownership class. In both cases, it looks to me as ~10% of the population controlling and dictating to the other 90%. Antithetical to both systems is the concept of individual liberty, autonomy, and genuine political representation. In both of these systems, the majority is subject to the power of the oligarchy. In a legitimate representative system, the oligarchy is subject to the will of the majority, which they must represent in their decisions. We have obviously moved out of that paradigm.

Both communism and fascism are unacceptable systems. I'm with you in opposing it absolutely, however we may quibble about the details of the label.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus. This guy is Stazi.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

During the border blockade instead of chanting the typical "This is what democracy looks like!"

I lead some chanting "This is what the tyranny looks like!"

[–]Fusrodamus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone is about to learn the hard why Sun Tsu advised to build a golden bridge by which your enemy might retreat.

An enemy who cannot retreat will fight to the death.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is there a version of Infowars that doesn't have the deliberate misinformation sprinkled all through it?

[–]StillLessons[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Deliberate misinformation" is a feature of all narratives at this point. The only defense is personal. We each must take all information - drop the "mis" in front of any of it - sort through it, and come to our own conclusions. In other words, it's all just information, and it is up to us to decide which we believe, which we don't, and make our own personal decisions without the aid of advice from any interpretation. Assume everything you read, from any and all sources, is a lie until they have a proven track record of correct descriptions and predictions on a given subject. Even then, keep an eye on them and if it seems to go "off", assume it has gone off, and resume your search. This is a never-ending process.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This guy is a massive cunt. Actually, scratch that. He's a tampon. Shoved all the way up the massive cunt who is Trudeau.