Why does one have to be kind to animals to be considered a zoophile?

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[–]catlover1019 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

My take on it goes back to the meaning of the suffix "philia" it wasn't originally sexual attraction, but rather 'love', and not specifically the erotic sort. Also, there is a subtle difference between being sexually attracted to someone and being turned on by the thought of inflicting pain upon them. That doesn't actually require sexual attraction.

Also, I have no respect for anyone who would actually hurt an animal. Fantasizing about it is one thing, because one really can't help what makes them horny, but actually doing it is another.

[–]Ontario56[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, however, Philia is now used for sexual attraction as well, so the modern definition is the one I’m using. Also, I don’t think it’s too much of a difference, judging by the examples I’ve given. Sexual attraction has many forms, after all. Some people like vanilla and some go full out crazy kinky.

Yeah, they’re not exactly the type to garner respect if they act on it.

[–]catlover1019 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I guess I'm not sticking strictly to the modern definition. This sub is for people who both love animals and are sexually attracted to them.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My thoughts: Who cares and why does it matter?

[–]Ontario56[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The sub rules state that you can’t say “you’re not really a zoophile” to anyone unless that person enjoys inflicting harm upon animals. I’m just questioning that

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see. Again, I would just ignore this whole sub and everything related to it

[–]WalterLatrans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I suppose my argument against that would be that most people who perform sadism against animals are probably more sexually stimulated by the act of causing pain than they are the actual animals. Their use of animals is probably more a convenience to them as there would be easier access and lower repercussions if caught.

Of course I'm sure as you say there are zoophiles that are indeed attracted to animals that are also sadist, particularity if they self identify as zoophiles and the assumption isn't just being made from their actions or news reports.

That being said, as I don't particularity enjoy the thought of rape or rapist, I'm also not very thrilled by idea or actions of zoosadists. I am of the opinion that zoophilia can be healthy and enjoyed by all as long as all parties are having a good time.

Also sorry for my late reply to your late reply :-P

edit: spelling, formatting

[–]Ontario56[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s definitely not something a lot of people are comfortable with, but it exists, so I just wanted to address it. A man can still be attracted to women and flog them in BDSM, but people wouldn’t question his attraction to women- at least, I don’t think. I’ve never seen a case of someone calling such a sadist “gay”, for example. It was just a weird thought I had :P

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Greek suffix "phile" means "love". I assume that's the cause of the terminology disagreement. If it just meant "attraction to" then anyone who is attracted to someone of a certain type would fix that definition.

Aaand I'm too late because /u/catlover1019 already made this same comment, lol.

[–]Ontario56[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Attraction doesn’t always have to be nice is all I’m saying. Sexual attraction doesn’t care too much if the other being is evil or not, oftentimes. That’s why hatefucking exists, for example

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure and I agree, but I'm answering your quesiton about "zoophile", not "attraction". That's why many who call themselves zoophiles call it "bestiality" when someone doesn't love other species. I'm not going to even research what "bestiality" might normally have meant though because I don't really care since "zoo" and "zoophile" is good enough for me. All that really matters is that words can be used to communicate.