Concerning Covid19. What if...

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What if all the anti mask propaganda is put out there to help keep and spread the conora virus. In effect, helping big pharma push their agenda for a vaccine.

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[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Non N95 masks don't work.

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I don't believe you and neither do thousands of health care workers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask

Are they 100% effective? No. But they do help limit the spread of bacteria/virus.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Of course you don't believe me, the tv told you not to question it.

The CDC would like to have a word with you:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR1wgGi1n82n8eGLEFTIbzV3atyHqop9DqK-rhx7itJ0SY3eZm5erwTZw6g

https://www.meehanmd.com/blog/2020-07-22-if-masks-dont-work-then-why-do-surgeons-wear-them/

Non N95 masks don't work.

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

No. It's because common sense on germs and having worked in the medical field.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You didn't peruse the article apparently. Your source being "common sense" and limited work in the medical field. You are now invited to cross the Rubicon.

A surgeon addresses your concerns:

https://www.meehanmd.com/blog/2020-07-22-if-masks-dont-work-then-why-do-surgeons-wear-them/

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yes my source being academic training and working in the field. On common sense, didn't your momma teach you to cover your mouth when you sneeze and to wash your hands?

It's funny how on any given day the CDC are liars, but you want to link me an article they hosted from Chinese doctors, no agenda I'm sure. Dr. Meehan contradicts himself from one sentence to the next. "Although surgeons do wear masks to prevent their respiratory droplets from contaminating the surgical field and the exposed internal tissues of our surgical patients...The CoVID-19 pandemic is about viral transmission. Surgical and cloth masks do nothing to prevent viral transmission. " His main argument being, most people don't know how to wear masks.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/what-is-ppe

"A sneezing or coughing person will cover their mouth, get it all over their hand, and then touch something that you then touch," Robert Murphy, MD, an infectious disease expert at Northwestern University, tells Health. The virus can then gain entry into your body when you touch your own face, he adds. Simply being near an infected person who coughs, sneezes, or talks can expose you to their infected respiratory droplets, the CDC says.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331215/WHO-2019-nCov-IPCPPE_use-2020.1-eng.pdf

You may notice in any case where there are symptoms or positive diagnosis masks are required. Currently, it's now known asymptomatic people can spread the virus. If you feel masks are ineffective that's on you.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If this were a pandemic, then all us non-mask wearers would surely be sick and dead by now? I mean, we have refused to wear masks and social distance, and I haven't heard or met ANYBODY who is against mandatory masks getting sick. All of my friends go without masks and none of them have gotten sick. All of their families go without masks and none of them have gotten sick. The only people I know of who have gotten sick were already dying, or were so obese that I truly think any infection would've killed them. This is my personal experience with the "pandemic"

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

All your friends and everyone you know of hasn't gotten sick, but only the people you know of that got sick were already dying. OK gotcha.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't say everybody I know. The people I know who died were either family members who supported the masks, or family friends (not my friends, friends of the family) OR they were people I had known of but had never met. Twist my words, why don't ya? I'll say it again, to help make it more clear. The people I know who are anti-masks have not gotten sick. They continue their lives as normal, and they haven't gotten sick. The people I know who have gotten sick were pro-mask. Not friends, or family members of friends. I used specific words for a reason, my guy. I'm not even trying to make any point. This has simply been my experience throughout this whole ordeal. I am told not wearing a mask will get me sick and endanger my family. No one I know who is anti-mask has gotten sick. The only people I know who have gotten sick were pro-mask. Make of that as you will.

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My condolences to your family members who died while supporting masks. You do realize the purpose of wearing masks is to prevent yourself from spreading the virus, right? Since many carriers spread it without knowing they even had it, it was an easy policy to say "wear a mask in public".

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The cloth does not block the virus, not just from mishandling. Figure this riddle: If 20+ years of compiled research overwhelmingly support that masks are ineffective. Why when the flu hysteria machine was escalating, all of a sudden establishment outlets went into over drive flagrantly contradicting already accepted research data? Does that at all seem suspicious to you?

Most people getting Covid were wearing masks. Why do infection rates continue to climb even with widespread mask use? Since you're a "medical professional", here's what your peers have found out about their lack of effectiveness via decades of data. Should be an easy read for you.

AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

Note: A COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) particle is 0.125 micrometers (μm); influenza virus size is 0.08 – 0.12 μm; a human hair is about 150 μm.

*1 nm = 0.001 micron; 1000 nm = 1 micron; Micrometer (μm) is the preferred name for micron (an older term)

1 meter is = 1,000,000,000 nm or 1,000,000 microns

Droplets

Virus is transmitted through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks. Larger respiratory droplets (>5 μm) remain in the air for only a short time and travel only short distances, generally <1 meter. They fall to the ground quickly. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30245-9/fulltext This idea guides the CDC’s advice to maintain at least a 6-foot distance. Virus-laden small (<5 μm) aerosolized droplets can remain in the air for at least 3 hours and travel long distances. https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?articleTools=true Air currents

In air conditioned environment these large droplets may travel farther. However, ventilation — even the opening of an entrance door and a small window can dilute the number of small droplets to one half after 30 seconds. (This study looked at droplets from uninfected persons). This is clinically relevant because poorly ventilated and populated spaces, like public transport and nursing homes, have high SARS-CoV-2 disease transmission despite physical distancing. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30245-9/fulltext Objects and surfaces

Person to person touching The CDC’s most recent statement regarding contracting COVID-19 from touching surfaces: “Based on data from lab studies on Covid-19 and what we know about similar respiratory diseases, it may be possible that a person can get Covid-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose or possibly their eyes,” the agency wrote. “But this isn’t thought to be the main way the virus spreads. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0522-cdc-updates-covid-transmission.html. Chinese study with data taken from swabs on surfaces around the hospital https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0885_article?deliveryName=USCDC_333-DM25707 The surfaces where tested with the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, which greatly amplifies the viral genetic material if it is present. That material is detectable when a person is actively infected. This is thought to be the most reliable test. Computer mouse (ICU 6/8, 75%; General ward (GW) 1/5, 20%) Trash cans (ICU 3/5, 60%; GW 0/8) Sickbed handrails (ICU 6/14, 42.9%; GW 0/12) Doorknobs (GW 1/12, 8.3%) 81.3% of the miscellaneous personal items were positive: Exercise equipment Medical equipment (spirometer, pulse oximeter, nasal cannula) PC and iPads Reading glasses Cellular phones (83.3% positive for viral RNA) Remote controls for in-room TVs (64.7% percent positive) Toilets (81.0% positive) Room surfaces (80.4% of all sampled) Bedside tables and bed rails (75.0%) Window ledges (81.8%) Plastic: up to 2-3 days Stainless Steel: up to 2-3 days Cardboard: up to 1 day Copper: up to 4 hours Floor – gravity causes droplets to fall to the floor. Half of ICU workers all had virus on the bottoms of their shoes Filter Efficiency and Fit

*Data from a University of Illinois at Chicago review

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

HEPA (high efficiency particulate air) filters – 99.97 – 100% efficient. HEPA filters are tested with particles that are 0.125 μm. Masks and respirators work by collecting particles through several physical mechanisms, including diffusion (small particles) and interception and impaction (large particles) N95 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) are constructed from electret (a dielectric material that has a quasi-permanent electric charge. An electret generates internal and external electric fields so the filter material has electrostatic attraction for additional collection of all particle sizes. As flow increases, particles will be collected less efficiently. N95 – A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face. https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-masks-explained. But even these have problems: many have exhalation valve for easier breathing and less moisture inside the mask. Surgical masks are designed to protect patients from a surgeon’s respiratory droplets, aren’t effective at blocking particles smaller than 100 μm. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VLXWeZBll7YJ:https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/957730O/respirators-and-surgical-masks-contrast-technical-bulletin.pdf+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min. N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected). T-shirts had 10% efficiency, Scarves 10% to 20%, Cloth masks 10% to 30%, Sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and Towels 40%. All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs. Another study evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm). N95 FFR filter efficiency was greater than 95%. Medical masks – 55% efficiency General masks – 38% and Handkerchiefs – 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency. Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2. N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission. Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients. Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Your first sentence is wrong. Infact your whole reasoning is wrong. The virus is transmitted on respiratory droplets which are >5microns travelling up to 1 meter. People erroneously think the virus is .12microns therefore facial coverings dont work. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Freflectionsipc.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F12%2Fdroplet-airborne-direct-and-indirect-contact-figure_final.jpg%3Fw%3D700%26h%3D525&f=1&nofb=1

You say most people that were wearing masks were getting covid. Prove it, because I can play that game too. Most people that weren't wearing masks got covid, but more importantly it was the people who didn't wear masks that help spread it. Here's proof: Georgia camp with COVID-19 outbreak didn’t require masks https://apnews.com/6bde87b6c7d3276208c439901af71650 Four of largest ongoing COVID-19 outbreaks in Colorado are in prisons, jails https://www.denverpost.com/2020/07/29/colorado-covid-outbreaks-prisons-jails/ Public Health Responses to COVID-19 Outbreaks on Cruise Ships https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm etc, etc...

As for the rest of your post, I've already addressed how the virus is spread and the efficacy of masks before. Keep convincing yourself protection is harmful, it does nothing to improve the situation and maybe one reason we will have a forced vaccine.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net%2Fnewman%2Fcsz%2Fnews%2F800%2F2016%2F1-sneezingprod.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are assuming that covid is primarily spread through respiratory vapor. Studies show that symptomatic and asymptomatic people spread infection primarily via "BioAerosols" without any respiratory vapor ,which is so small that no cloth mask can stop.

(Pdf. warning) https://www.nap.edu/login.php?record_id=25776

COVID-19 can spread via invisible droplets as small as 5 microns and by tiny bioaerosol particles as well as via visible respiratory droplets just by breathing.

What you need to know: Non-95 masks only work in your mind, and provide no protection from covid infection.

Georgia camp with COVID-19 outbreak didn’t require masks

Large gatherings would have spread infection whether they wore masks or not.

Four of largest ongoing COVID-19 outbreaks in Colorado are in prisons

By your logic, why didn't they just make them wear masks since they work so well? Once again like with large gatherings, they would have gotten infected either way.

Keep convincing yourself protection is harmful, it does nothing to improve the situation and maybe one reason we will have a forced vaccine.

Are you really this frightened of the covid?

See Sweden.

See Denmark.

See Finland.

See Norway.

Quarantine the vulnerable, let everyone else get the scary covid and be done with all this spirit crushing hysteria and panic.

Tell me why before Covid, it had been well established that cloth masks were ineffective against SARS and Corona infections, now every mainstream outlet contradicts science to the point of doing mental gymnastics like the respiratory droplet rebuttal you had. They know symptomatic and asymptomatic spread via bio-aerosols ,why do they choose to not mention this?

Fauci on masks: 'It's not about the science, it's just a symbol of what you should be doing.'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/27/coronavirus-fauci-says-he-wears-mask-symbol-what-do/5266189002/

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you even read the articles you keep posting? They say there is a possibility for it being airborne. Based on RNA collected in hospital floors, these incidences show traces of virus so low its doubtful they have the out shield and/or spike proteins to infect a host. That article goes on to say masks are useful in limiting the spread of virus.

By the time people are showing symptoms or have a positive test they should be isolated anyway. There are studies showing viral shedding to be highest just before symptoms appear. And the mutated spike G614 variant being more infectious is a cause for concern.

You ask if I'm frightened of Covid. I'm worried a bunch of lazy idiots are going to force the government require everyone a vaccine and bio passport.

Simply practicing good hygiene, PPE, and social distancing is the least we can do.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They lost me when they told us 'any piece of cloth will work". Then the looting started and I started to notice the states with the worst looting had the worst lock down rules. Then I noticed that in those places only certain people were locked down; people that want to work, people that want to worship, people in nursing homes (that are bankrupting medicare/medicaid). Other people (the uninsured) were ENCOURAGED to go out and spit all over each other in so called peaceful protests.
First I wondered if it was a foreign government giving all this bad advice to spread socialism. Then I wondered if our government trying to save capitalist healthcare by killing the old and uninsured. Finally I decided it doesn't really matter, there's just crazy stuff going on so I wear full RBA, NBC mask, and pockets loaded with weapons and ammo to go grocery shopping. MUCH more worried about BLM terrorists that CERTAINLY want me dead, rather than a mildly contagious virus with mediocre chance of killing me. Waiting for November, when the snowflakes all melt.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I haven't seen any anti mask propaganda from any institution.

What I've seen is people putting out evidence for and against masks and arguing about it and then also a few blokes saying they don't want to wear a mask because they are harder than covid 19.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't want to be forced to wear a mask. If your business requires it, then fine. I'll put it on if I want to go into your business. If I own a business and I don't want to force a dress code on people, the GovCorp shouldn't be able to shut me down. I should be able to keep my business open so I can support my family. I should be able to apply my own dress code on my own property. It's not that I think I'm harder than covid. I think my freedoms should stay even in the face of a world-war or a pandemic.

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wouldn't it be ironic, if you really lose your freedoms because you refused to wear a mask. I mean they literally want to microchip people with the ability to keep you shut out of society. Look at New Zealand, people were smart enough to cooperate and eliminate the virus. Yet here we are leading the world in cases and deaths.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We are also full of ignorance and malpractice. I myself have been severely hurt by malpractice, almost killed of it when I was eight. So, please, hop off your high horse. This entire "pandemic" has been in the works since at least the 80's, and anybody who has studied Machiavellian political tactics would be aware of that. They have been prepping the world for an event like this specifically so that they CAN take more freedoms away, which they already have started to do with blatant contact tracing and massive economic fraud. Way too many powerful figures acted in such a way in the months prior to the "pandemic" that it should be clear to everyone that this was a planned event. We have tests giving faulty results (and we haven't taken these faulty results into account when it comes to analytics, so your numbers are always going to be wrong until that happens), people being tested positive even though they weren't actually tested, coroners quitting because they won't falsify death reports, nurses and doctors around the world trying to speak out concerning this foolishness, upper-level hospital staff getting incentives for dealing with "corona" cases, AND we have world politicians mysteriously dying when they don't toe the official line. Wouldn't it be ironic if the banking cabal tricked everybody into wearing masks and giving up their liberties over a fake virus? Wouldn't that be just so funny?

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So many conspiracies, so many logical fallacies. Luckily the chances of coming across an infected person is low and the prognosis for survival high.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I truly wonder. I have been involved in local politics, and I can assure you that conspiracies occur on that level too. The higher up you go, the players change from millionaires to billionaires, from development companies to global land-owning corporations. I have seen how a shitty politician can get into office purely through the use of his wallet. I have seen election fraud take place, and I've seen our police officers turn a blind eye to it. If you really think that isn't happening on a federal level, then I feel sorry for you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Listen, none of them socially distanced themselves and no one who was close to them got sick.