I think there's some forum sliding going on here today

submitted by jet199 from self.conspiracy

Definition see here:-

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21165439

I'm seeing a few new accounts posting stuff, great.

However, I notice a lot of the content people tend to be interested in, and has been upvoted, is thereby disappearing off the top of the front page very quickly.

Then I'm checking back on some of the new content and it's articles a year or so old, which have already been posted and discussed, or memes which seem sort of saidity and high effort but when you read them are not exactly on point.

I'm not sure how the hot algorithm works but I recommend double upvoting and commenting on anything you like and saving stuff you might want to look for later because the usually slow saidit conveyor belt has sped up quite a bit.

I'm not sure on the why. Maybe Jason and the Juggernauts or maybe the crypto cringe or possibly even that war thing which is sort of maybe happening or not.

Edit: talking about s/all not this sub in particular

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[–]Drewski 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I've noticed a lot more spammers and shitposters lately. People just posting racist & stupid stuff to bring the quality of the conversation down. At first I was hesitant to block a bunch of people but it's made the experience a lot better.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sure it happens the whole time. I mean it would only take like 10 shills or so to take control of the front page and the shill teams are way bigger than that...

[–]jet199[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Usually a popular post will be on the front page for 2-3 days though.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah there's a lot of forum sliding, it's just a thing on all forums all the time now. And they do it in ways that aren't technically breaking the rules so it can't be removed, and much of it is hard to distinguish from actual (low-quality) content.

It's just something everyone needs to be educated on, and just understand it is happening on the whole internet, on every social media forum, and anticipate it. We gave the users the power to block other users, rather than putting that tough decision in the hands of mods or admins, who often get it wrong and can't please everyone. (One man's trash is another man's treasure)

It would be possible to make another website with tighter rules that strongly disallow forum sliding and posts designed to drive other users away, and I think I might do so in the near future, but it will necessarily include a lot of subjective decisions by mods and admins in order for it to happen, and some people will see that as a restriction of freedom of information, which it is. But if a "low-shill" environment were to exist on an anonymous social media website, it takes a lot of mod and admin activity to keep the "shill" stuff out, which again is often subjective.

So it's a pretty complicated issue when you really get down to the nuts-and-bolts of it. And that's why there's so extremely few social media websites that get it right.

[–]noice 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had an idea some months ago about basing a forum loosely on the concept of Dunbar's number - Imagine if you really only interact with a small enough set of people that everyone can recognize one another. Could explore content from other groups, but couldn't interact with it directly. Maybe inter-group interaction could have some type of agreed upon protocol as well.

[–]soundsituation 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

noted and double upvoted

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

OK, now I'm seeing that a lot of the new arseholes are just some old arseholes who flounced out and then flounced back in again.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A few of us changed names. :D

[–]fatman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sensing a large gathering of juggalos.

[–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure how the hot algorithm works but I recommend double upvoting and commenting on anything you like and saving stuff you might want to look for later because the usually slow saidit conveyor belt has sped up quite a bit.

I've been curious about this too. I can see pretty clearly that commenting on a post without any voting still increases hotness. Also, upvoting a comment definitely raise the hotness of the original post as well.

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Moral of the story is upvote the stuff you want to see.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is suddenly the top post, maybe m7 just fiddled with the algorithm.

[–]jet199[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's just because there are so many new posts with no upvotes.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah everybody needs to do their part and vote. Saidit works best if everybody votes. I vote for everything that catches my interest no matter if I agree or disagree with it. I figure if it made me think then it earned my vote. Plus it helps me keep track of which posts I've seen and which comments I've read.