Officials in Nevada demolish tiny homes built for homeless in Las Vegas

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[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

I'm sure savage was going to stop using drugs now that he had a door to lock, but like the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and these kinds of "projects" become slums. If allowed to continue in 3 years there would be a documentary about how evil the city is for building slums and forcing these poor people to live there and causing all of thier problems. Just like there are documentaries about all the housing projects.

There are no utilities there. No trash pick up. No security. No sewage.

It would become a hazmat sight within months. Spreading disease, enhancing crime, and creating a huge mess for someone else to clean up.

[–]NuclearBadger 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

As someone who was homeless, it's 100% their fault if it's long term. Do not help these people, there are loads of ways to become un-homeless but you have to get off your arse and work for it.

hint: they don't like working.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with everything but the "Do not help these people." Or more importantly, do not let the government stop kind people from helping these people, because we don't need desperate people doing desperate shit. Further, it might not be so bad if there was meaningful fulfilling work for them to do. Our consumerist culture has programmed too many folks to feel entitled and bitter - and lazy.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

So give up and don't even try.

/s

[–]package 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

It's more that providing private areas to homeless creates environments that are hard to police and maintain and end up making things worse. It's why actual homeless shelters are usually a large open areas with beds and tables set out as needed.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Something is better than nothing.
Especially when you already have nothing.

The system chews up and spits out people, then stomps on them.

[–]package 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

While something is obviously preferable, I'd say nothing is much better than something that makes the issue worse. Like throwing water on a grease fire.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Doing nothing for the homeless is like throwing water on a drowning man.

Tearing down their temporary housing is like holding their head under water.

[–]package 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Creating that kind of temporary housing for the homeless is like throwing 50 other people in the water with the drowning man; he might drown slower by pushing another person down or vice versa, but either way there are now more drowning people and it's much harder to save any of them.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Your analogy is shit. No need for creating, they were already done, without harming others.

Did you even watch the OP video?

If you want solutions, de-regulate (stop strangling) the people, and regulate the ruling class.

[–]package 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What part of "giving the homeless tiny individual private huts in a designated area will quickly turn that area into a dense uncontrolled slum filled with trash, drugs, and prostitution, and that will create 1000x more issues and anger when it eventually needs to be disbanded" are you struggling with

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Whether that's even true or not, we will never know because that experiment has been prematurely rejectulated.

Unless you have a better solution that helps the homeless, helps society, or both, all you've argued for is to keep the homeless down because of who they are as a group, when actually they consist of many groups with diverse different issues that got them in that predicament.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So stop running face first into the same wall and try something new. Start by listening to all the people who predicted exactly how it would fail last time.

Tough love is the way to go.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Tough love is more bullshit propaganda from the 80s that destroyed families - intentionally.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, it's the only thing that works.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Tough love only works as a cop out to harm people more rather than provide help to get out of their rut.

I bet you think more police would help drug users quit.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Calling it a cop out is a cop out to deny the real solutions that your pussy emotions can't handle. You run from those solutions because you don't have the mental fortitude to process those emotions properly. You latch on to anything you think justifies that cowardly path. But hundreds of years of experience proves you wrong. Everyone who knows anything knows drug addicts need to hit rock bottom to finally decide to quit. And only when they get to that point can something change. You can't take an addict and fix them without thier participation. That is something cowards like you refuse to accept because you desperately want to find a way to help them without walking the hard path YOU can't handle.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

What "real solutions" come with "tough love", aka denial of assistance.

It's not about emotions. It's logical and for the good of the community to not have desperate people doing desperate actions just to survive. Give them a home and welfare and they won't be on the streets up to no good - or put them in corporate jail costing taxpayers even more. Those are actual solutions, though we can certainly do better with counseling, services, loans, cooperatives, etc. Many folks can rebound if given a chance, and some will never.

Just two weeks ago we held our annual event in front of city hall - and there is much more going on than that on many fronts. I'm connected with many groups, including some that deal with the down and out. Are you?

You can cherry pick what you want from your "hundreds of years" but the fact is that societies do better when everyone is looked after. You don't seem to know much about drug addicts so I recommend you check out Dr. Gabor Maté's work. He's the best I've come across.

It's true you can't fix addicts without them willing. They need to work on themselves. You won't get their cooperation without compassion. Then both internal and external can work together.

Further, I was duped by Big Pharma, society, and my family (with many doctors) and took "anti"-depressants for 4.5 years and my life was destroyed before quitting cold turkey - and for twice as long I scraped, crawled, climbed, and walked the hard path out of that.

What is cowardly about that?

Name-calling makes you look weak.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Give them a home and welfare and they won't be on the streets up to no good

This is bullshit. And it has proven to be bullshit the tens of thousands of times it has been tried. They destroy the homes, sell the copper, party all day with all the drugs they can buy or steal, then go out at night to steal to pay for more.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Tell that to Scandinavia, Canada, etc. You're describing a minority among them.

[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Never underestimate the power of the NIMBY.

[–]chickenz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You need permission to build AND you need to agree to pay property taxes

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The system is rigged against those with nothing to work with.

[–]chickenz 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

People do not own real estate. When you pay for real estate, you are buying the right to occupy the property AND pay annual rent(property tax), the majority of which goes to police and fire department services.

If you fail to pay your property tax, the police will remove you forcefully from the property and they will auction it to the highest bidder. You will in most cases lose your entire investment in the property.

High property taxes drive up the prices of everything.

Fk the police, with all respect.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If you fail to pay your property tax, the police will remove you forcefully from the property

IFIFY:
If you won't be stolen from under coercive threats as "tax", the mafia government with a monopoly on violence will harm and steal from you even worse

Fuck the police who deserve no respect and have no honour, merit, nor legitimacy.

Free country my ass.

[–]chickenz 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I appreciate the police as a sort of necessary evil.

In Indonesia, I like their property tax system much better.. you will only pay about $20.00 per year, and won't get evicted for nonpayment.. if you don't pay your property taxes, you can't sell the property until you do.

Our system that evicts people is corrupt and evil.

In Indonesia, you can eat good food at a restaurant for a few dollars, because they aren't needing to include huge property taxes in your bill.

Property taxes push up the prices everything

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate the police as a sort of necessary evil.

I could appreciate the police if they were managed and directed by the community, bottom-up, rather than top-down by the corrupt mayor or higher political villains.

Taxes have hollowed out the downtown core of my city, Windsor. Municipal elections in October may change that, but I doubt.

[–]Drewski[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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