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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Striker and Allsupp cite personal observation and intuition: That's 'anti-intellectualism'.

Striker and Allsupp cite data and studies which they instantly dismiss and laugh at.

Also the smugness and constant laughing is so insufferable.

[–]robo1p 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I think Allsup would be better without striker.

[–]bug-in-recovery[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I agree.

Striker's written pieces are great, but he is awful at debates.

Enoch and Allsup would be great.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Disagree. Striker's best at arguing rhetorically/polemically of anyone in our thing. It doesn't work against cynical irony-poisoned and nihilistic radlibs for obvious reasons. When he debates against anyone engaging in good faith he shines.

[–]bug-in-recovery[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That may be true.

I've only seen him debate lefties like these fags.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He usually does well with intelectually honest people, like he did with JF.

He sucked in this one, he's so easy to get dragged into their trickery.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Enoch is our best debater IMO. Striker is better at fiery speeches at rallies. Hopefully soon we can have some of those.

[–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. Against people who have such a vehement and instinctive bias against his positions, Striker's polemic is impotent. He's more effective with viewers who already accept some of his basic axioms. It's also difficult to finish a point when every sentence is cut short by haughty laughter from the other side, goading him like he's a bull. Allsup comes across as more moderate and wasn't baited into fiery but ultimately ineffectual responses as often.

[–]Dashing-Dove 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was a shit show. Destiny and Vaush were predictably hypercritical of argumentation without citation from academic studies, and when statistics were provided, they dismissed them as irrelevant because they're intellectually disingenuous and wanted to rhetorically win the debate. They weren't open at all to inductive logic stemming from those statistics. Striker played into it and seemed as though he hadn't prepared much, switching tactics to anecdotal personal experience or attempting to convince by prima facie observation and reason, which was even easier to dismiss. The amount of interrupting was absurd, exacerbated by the weak moderator, and caused me to eventually tune out.

[–]Bill_Shevik_Jager 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saved three hours of my precious time on this planet by not watching this.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Striker is as terrible at debating as Nick Fuentes and should stop. Allsup is alright. Of course the leftists were gay but anybody who has seen those two before knows exactly what they were going to do so our guys should have been prepared for it.

The whole time I was wondering why our guys weren't hammering home the point that race is real. Everything that underlies what the two leftists said stems from the idea that race isn't real. That's why they don't understand 13 50.

You can even concede that some racial profiling goes on but only because it's a good heuristic since race is real and blacks are more likely to be criminal based on their gene pool. If our guys had been smart and gotten down to this level a whole wealth of other data would have been relevant for proving their point such as everything on the Black White IQ Gap, like for example the Bell Curve. That plus even with data excluded denying race makes you look like an ass clown to a lot of people just because anyone with any actual experience around other races knows race is real, genetic, and matters without having to do autistic SNP analyses. To buffer this inution there's the power of the evolutionary narrative - "why would skin and physical features divergently evolve but not the brain and behavior?" There's even a study showing racial differences among neural genes are 'higher' than those among melanin genes.

[–]MostBasedRedditor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"SOLUTIONS!?! THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DEBATE WAS ABOUT"

Goddamn lol

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Allsup won

[–]bug-in-recovery[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Almost 1,000 people waiting over an hour ahead of time.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You beat me too it BUg! I was just going to post this! Let's have a watch party!!

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is there a live chat on this website or something?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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[–]bug-in-recovery[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

On mobile, what does this mean?

Edit: On desktop, there's a live chat on the right.

Very nice.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's and IRC chat box in the browser version of saidit. I don't use mobile so I'm not sure you can access it with mobile.

[–]bug-in-recovery[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2 minutes away.

[–]sylla94 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

get amongst it fellas

[–]robo1p 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The comments on the video, by and large, seem pretty based.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How did this go?

[–]MostBasedRedditor 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Better than Destiny v Striker 1, Vaush and Destiny went in trying to get gotchas and Striker and Allsup were going in actually talking solutions