Which country would be best to flee to if things get hot in the US?

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If we get to the point that people are being arrested, killed or disappeared for holding dissident right-wing views, let's be honest, there's nothing we can do at that point except leave for the mother continent. We can't win a battle against the US government, and by that time we'll have no institutional power and no hope for fair legal representation.

Because this is a real possibility, the specifics of what this would entail and what our response would be (where we would run to) are something we should talk about.

As ethnonationalists we believe that European cultures should be preserved, and that the various European peoples' should have absolute control over their own destiny in their ancestral lands. However with the recent migrant influxes European self-determination is becoming more tenuous, and when the time comes that a European ethnicity has lost majority status you can be certain the new ethnic majority will persecute them terribly. I honestly believe this is a worse fate than having your demographic crisis reversed through an influx of based white Americans who have respect for the nation and its inhabitants, and are both willing and cognitively able to assimilate to a familiar European culture.

My opinion is that to find the ideal European country we should look at its demographics, and migrate to the nation currently in the direst demographic crisis to 'shore up' the white population. There is also the possibility of simply tracing your ancestry back to your motherland and going to the nation of your ancestors, but most Americans are mutts and I'm not sure that would be any better.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's no running anywhere. The entirety of the white race is going to be hunted down. Will Jewry-controlled Europe allow an influx of dissident whites from America to show up in a country where they would be able to launch a powerful political movement or military campaign? Absolutely not.

Our only option is to agitate and propagandise against the system along with building networks and institutions for ourselves.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem for me is I don't see where this building starts. Someone has to stick their neck out to begin building parallel institutions explicitly for white people and no one is brave enough to do that when they risk being ruined or suicided by the current power structure. Building our own institutions is still a lot easier to do in Europe or even South America. Then there's the argument I left down below that white flight will weaken the US and its ability to project its Jewish ethnic hatred of whites on the rest of the world. As long as we contribute to this economy and raise children here who will do the same, we are hurting our own cause of white survival.

[–]antireddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Dont let the media and especially reddit fool you about how self hating whites are. Nearly everything you see in the MSM and media sites like reddit are kosher approved and serves their agenda, and Jews love to play this game where they try to make people believe everyone sides with their agenda. Its why they love reddit so much because its the perfect opportunity to drum up outrage or push an agenda while making it look authentic and grass roots, plus things can be mass upvoted to make it look even more popular.

For instance a popular Jew media trick is to have a media headline like "People are fed up with xyz!", when in reality its just a bunch of Jews kvetching about XYZ. Or "XYZ faces backlash!" or "growing outrage over XYZ" when its just some jews that are outraged. The idea is to give the impression to the masses that everybody thinks this or is doing it, so you should too, and if you think differently you are evil or an outcast. Its very effective propaganda, especially when its done repetitively by multiple media outlets in a coordinated campaign, which we all know they do continually. It has its limitations though, and when you see real white people's anonymous views without this filter they are usually against this over the top white hating bullshit.

Youtube comments are a great example, although im sure they are already looking to clamp down on or manipulate those.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It is going to be very difficult to run away from this. Most of Europe and the entire anglosphere is controlled by elites who are hostile to whites. Eastern europe, Russia, maybe a few areas in South America could work, but as soon as too many white people move somewhere it will get closed or taken over by hostile forces.

I know it sucks, but we have to fight instead of running this time. Just stay out of trouble.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess I'm just blackpilled. We aren't fighting, we're just hiding, on the internet, behind our fragile anonymity instead of acting or making any kind of progress. We don't even have a strategy as far as I know. Our enemy dominates every single institution in this country, using that power to clamp down further on our People and our beliefs in self-preservation and self-determination every day. And we haven't even made a game plan yet.

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel?

[–]Erasmus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep in mind the George Floyd riots, the mob violence, the toppling of statues that we've seen are barely a month old.

There are a lot of newly awakened whites out there right now whose heads are still spinning, seeing for the first time how much the system is stacked against them. Finding each other and organizing is going to take time. It's likely going to get a lot darker for us in the future before you see any light at all. But remember there are hundreds of millions of us out there. We are not going anywhere. Be brave and be patient.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct, our enemy is too strong and our people are too weak or few in number at this point to do anything. Right now we are hopeless, but that could change.

[–]EVERYBODYPANIC 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uruguay seems good. Look it up for yourselves.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is no running away. It's happening exactly like the censorship on reddit. They start small, then slowly expand. The boiling frog.

This is happening everywhere. Reddit is like our world and at best you could live like BigFoots in the wild. An ancient legendary creature hiding from everyone.

The only option is to fight. White flight wont work.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's kind of overly dramatic. The boiling frog strategy has kind of went out the window the last month. Recent events have put a lot of whites on notice as to whats up and how things will play out. It was a wake up call. What people say in public and what they say in private are very different.

The last month has probably been the greatest red pilling event we've seen yet. The cat is out of the bag, the only thing they have left is to make it seem to whites that resistance is totally futile and hopeless, so best to come quietly and kneel now and maybe we'll go easy on you.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no running. Strive for self-sufficiency and stay away from urban areas

We can't win a battle against the US government

The US military is conservative. Many will join with us. The govt also knows this - this is part of the reason why the military has been aggressively diversifying/faggifying in recent years

The government has also run simulations on civil wars, and the populist right wins handedly every time. The cities are fucked without the rural areas of the country, which are overwhelmingly white

https://youtu.be/aJh7Ye1Qvc8

[–]Erasmus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The obvious answer for people in the U.S. is Canada.

  • You can drive there.
  • Canada has only 36 million people in it; roughly 26 million are white.
  • The white American population is 233.7 million people, roughly 9 times the size of the Canadian white population.
  • This means white émigrés from the U.S. have the potential to significantly influence Canada's electoral system, just as Mexican, Central, and South American émigrés currently influence the U.S. electoral system.
  • California recently voted to remove the clauses in their state constitution forbidding them from discriminating by race; if voters ratify this in November, it will mark the beginning of the construction of white apartheid in America
  • As racial violence and terror against white Americans increases, whites will have an increasingly strong case to make for Canadian Refugee Status, which means you cannot be deported
  • White American refugees have at least some natural allies in Canada, like white Canadians who would like to keep their country ethnically European, and French nationalists in Quebec, whom our people could protect
  • unlike most refugees who drain the economy, White refugees are highly productive, proficient in English, and have significant capital
  • Refugees can get work permits in Canada, and many jobs do not require a work permit. It is also possible to support yourself as a refugee in Canada via internet-based entrepreneurship even if you can not get a work permit
  • The goal would be to assist white Canadian citizens in forming a white-friendly government, which would ultimately allow citizenship for white refugees
  • This new white majority could shape the House of Commons, setting future immigration rules, and ultimately insert European ethnicity into the Canadian Constitution
  • This would be perhaps a 20 year project, much like the Left's own long march through the institutions, but might be sped up dramatically by anti-white discrimination or violence in the U.S.

I agree that the Battle of the West is ultimately going to be fought in America, and the outcome here will be far-reaching. U.S. Constitutional protections on free speech, free assembly, and gun ownership make it the only tenable place to make a stand.

But it's inevitable that large numbers of us are going to flee to the Great White North as whites become increasingly persecuted in the United States. Canada does not have the volatile history of plantation slavery that the United States does; neither does it possess the volatile descendants of those slaves. Its largest minority group is Asian. Canada's lack of gun rights means that it is insulated from the kind of bloody mayhem that may occur in the United States, as well.

The worse things get in America for whites, the stronger the case will be in Canada for white refugees. The interplay between these two nations may determine our future.

[–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a very interesting suggestion.

My only issue is that the immigration standards for Americans may be unobtainably high, even as the standards for third-world refugees are low or nonexistent.

[–]Erasmus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's hard to say how things will develop. So much depends on numbers.

If millions of whites end up emigrating due to the erosion of civil order in the U.S., eventually Canada may simply be unable to deport all of us. What then? Do they bankrupt themselves trying to enforce their borders, or do they embrace this population of entrepreneurial, highly-skilled English-speaking whites as citizens?

The reality is that if whites are actually legally subjugated and electorally displaced in the U.S., Canada is going to feel the blowback one way or another. As Luke Skywalker once said, "You can either profit by this, or be destroyed."

[–]RealFerdinandFoch 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nowhere. Even if running wasn't utterly contemptible you're not avoiding anything, at best you're just buying yourself a bit more comfort before the same thing you ran away from catches up to you, and pushing the problem onto your children.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

utterly contemptable

Fuck off. I'm descended from recent immigrants to the US. The US isn't my ancestral homeland, why the hell should I fight a losing battle and die for a lost cause in lands that my ancestry runs two generations deep in? I don't give two shits about the US, I care about Europeans, and we Europeans simply do not have a future here.

Further, whites are the mortar holding the US together, when it is blacks and mexicans fighting for the spoils we left behind the US's ability to project its degeneracy will be greatly weakened. Leaving is fighting.

[–]RealFerdinandFoch 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The US isn't my ancestral homeland, why the hell should I fight a losing battle and die for a lost cause in lands that my ancestry runs two generations deep in?

It sounds like you already have an answer to your OP question then, at least for yourself.

Unironically believing the standard European cope of blaming America for everything they do wrong is dangerously shortsighted though. I also think it's delusional to think the USA will be noticeably injured by white flight, at least in our lifetimes. There's no scenario where Whites become ethnonationalists and leave fast enough to make a difference. Even if they wanted to it's unlikely they'd be allowed to by the governments of the countries they're trying to move to, and the people would in all likelihood see a tide of tens of millions of Americans coming into their country as yet another group of foreigners coming to displace them. Even in your best case scenario of complete US collapse the US isn't forcing European governments to be anti-White, their elites support it all on their own, and they have very sophisticated surveillance and policing systems they're perfectly capable of using to maintain their grip on power against an embattled, muzzled, and disarmed citizenry. As I see it the USA is the front line and the fight for control of it will end up being the decisive one.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As I see it the USA is the front line and the fight for control of it will end up being the decisive one.

I dont know that this is true. I think Europe is still far more ethnically cohesive and able to resist than the US is. One Jewish trick is to try to convince whites that there is no such thing as the white race(except when whites are being blamed for shit). They will have a much harder time convincing Europeans that their various indigenous ethnic groups dont exist and can be replaced by anyone from anywhere.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This might be a controversial opinion here but I'm strongly critical of any sort of mass "white flight", especially at the international level. Maybe many of you may regard it not as bad as mass migration of Nigerians or something, but I doubt a bunch of Americans (even if they're white) or even Brits or French or something would truly integrate into Poland or Hungary. Multiculturalism and mass migration even between European nations has shown to be a failure in past. We even see issues within internal migration within countries, whether its rural migration creating large swathes of low-income people in urban areas or urban migration gentrifying rural areas. Migration always changes the nature of the target, eg. Normans and Saxons in Britain, Germans in Volga and Baltics, Slavs in Austria or Sweden, Irish, Italians and Germans in America, etc.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stop fucking running.