Adolf Hitler's death...

submitted by TheCheebuMenace from self.debatealtright

Some ppl believe that Hitler didn't really die when WW2 ended. Even according to Stalin, When asked at the Potsdam Conference in July 1945 how Hitler had died, Stalin said he was either living "in Spain or Argentina". Also Parietal bones which were long thought to be Hitlers' were later found to be that of a 40 yer old women's. What are your thoughts about this?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't buy it. Do you really think a man like Hitler would just be in hiding? Maybe those weren't his remains and he died elsewhere, what probably happened is some Jews took his body to go mutilate him and shit, this is something they are known to have done to many dead Germans.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He was dying. Look up the diary of his doctor Morell. He had a fatal heart condition. He knew it as well.

Also look at that heart wrenching final footage of the man talking to the poor Hitler Youth who are about to go out and die for Germany at the hand of a Soviet bullet. He's shaky and looks in his 60's. He had faded rapidly due to the stress of his condition and the situation he found himself in and also just because of exhaustion.

The theories about him escaping are mostly ridiculous. The man wasn't going to run. He married Ava and killed himself. That's what you'd expect from a man of his type of personality. RIP.

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Do you feel the same for the niece he murdered?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm assuming you can provide some real evidence that he murdered his niece.

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As her death was claimed to be a suicide we need to make the case for murder by establishing Hitler's means, motive and opportunity:

Means

She was shot with Hitler's gun.

Motive

Hitler was probably in love with Geli. She however had almost certainly either never been in love with him or had lost interest in him (she was twenty years younger than him and 'flighty'). She had been having an affair with Hitler's chauffeur, Emil Maurice. Maurice had asked Hitler if he could marry Geli and been refused. Hitler had already threatened Maurice with his pistol, and dismissed him as his chauffeur, over the affair. Geli may have been pregnant (although this is just a rumour). Hitler and Geli had argued severely in the days before her death.

Opportunity

Geli was a virtual prisoner in Hitler's house. The entire household staff was off duty, except one who was deaf.

The Cover-up

After a brief examination, the police doctor, Dr. Müller, declared Geli must have shot herself on the Friday evening. However, there was no post-mortem, let alone an inquest. This was completely improper but was authorised by the Bavarian Minister of Justice, Franz Gürtner, a political ally of Hitler. Rudolf Hess organised the 'news management' of Geli's death. The 'witness statements' are suspiciously short and uniform.

Hitler's Alibi

The witness statements claim Hitler left Munich for Nuremberg on the Friday afternoon in the company of Nazi Party photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann and chauffeur Julius Schreck. Hitler, Hoffmann and Schreck spent Friday night at Nuremberg's Hotel Deutscher Hof. Hitler returned to Munich on receiving news of Gelli's death, arriving on the Saturday afternoon. So Hitler’s alibi rests on the witness statements, which were suspicious, and the timing is tight even then. Geli's estimated time of death was altered to fit Hitler's alibi. The state of Geli's body when she was prepared for burial suggests she had been dead longer than claimed.

Evidence against 'suicide'.

The fact that Geli's door was locked from the inside was the main evidence of suicide. But Hitler's room was connected to Geli's via a balcony. Initially, the Nazi Party tried to put out a story that Geli's death was an accident. She was shot in the chest, an unusual way to commit suicide, but common in murder. Geli went walking in the mountains with her brother, Leo ten days before her death and showed no sign of depression. Her 'suicide note' was not a suicide note. It read: When I come to Vienna — hopefully very soon — we'll drive to Semmering, an...

It was also not addressed to her family or anyone particularly close to her. Geli Raubal was given a Catholic funeral and buried in consecrated ground. The officiating priest, Father Johann Pant, who knew Hitler and the Raubal family well, insisted on both because he did not believe she had committed suicide.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's not evidence and you haven't actually cited any sources.

[–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can research it, its very easy to find instead of venerating one of the most evil men in history.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know of the claims. They're ridiculous fairy tales told to spook phigs like you. No serious person looks at them and thinks they're a credible proof of murder.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

whats phig?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fellows of a carefree and happy disposition.