Thoughts on GC, Detrans, terfs etc?

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I used to lurk on GC and PPF, which are 'TERF' spaces. I don't agree with their general worldview, which can basically be summed up that men as an entire collective are scumbag oppressors and need to be separated from or controlled. They're not our "allies" by any means.

However, they are obviously right about transgenders and porn. Porn does degrade its participants (women in particular) and there is a lot of shady shit involved in porn production, including trafficking and paedophilia. Big mainstream porn sites like PornHub have been known to allow and verify content from underaged and trafficked victims. It is also an undeniable fact that porn warps the mind of consumers and isn't good for your mental health.

They are right that many MTF transgenders are not women. They have no idea what it's like to be an actual woman. They're often just perverts and autogynephiles, which is what conservatives have argued for a long time. There is a tiny minority of people in the world with screwed up sex chromosomes (intersex people, XXY syndrome, etc), but this is a literal birth defect, not a gender entity. The vast majority of trans people have perfectly functioning sex chromosomes of their biological sex.

GC has posted numerous threads, etc of "transgenders" admitting they just want to experience looking like a hot young woman, getting catcalled and all that shit, before detransitioning. It's a fetish. It's also pretty obvious that there are men locked up prison for a long time who are willing to go through the motions so they can get sent to women's prisons, which is a problem if they're sex offenders. Ditto for failed male athletes who want to play in women's sports.

I will also say, in fairness, that there are redfems who are somewhat purple-pilled on race. I've read numerous posts where they admit white men aren't really the worst, that the men they've actually had shitty experiences with are actually non-white men. On PPF someone even brought up how black men are the shittiest for fucking off on their partners and leaving them as single mothers, things that ordinarily get you labelled as a white supremacist. They are also noticing how in the 'oppression hierarchy', that non-white and Muslim men come way before white women.

On many women-orientated dating and "liberal feminist" (mainstream feminism that is pro-trans, pro-porn, anti-white) spaces on reddit, it's pretty common for racial spats to break out among the sisterhood, but white women will not dare defend themselves and just nod along. Many non-white women don't hide the fact that they despise the perceived "privileges" white women have, like being the top of the pole for beauty and being desired by their men. I remember a rather hilarious thread about a study that suggested fat white women are more successful on dating sites than black women as a whole, that unleashed the claws.

I'd say, ironically, for some white women, radical feminism is probably a pipeline to the dissident right, kind of like how the manosphere has been for many white men. These are people who don't buy into mainstream liberal values about gender equality (radfems do not believe in egalitarianism and admit it) and often think in terms of men and women being intrinsically different beyond physical sexual characteristics. It's not a stretch to go from there to race realism, etc.

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I don't agree with their general worldview, which can basically be summed up that men as an entire collective are scumbag oppressors and need to be separated from or controlled.

If you want to answer, what kinds of things do you think they tend to be not correct about?

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They still parrot the gender wage gap myth, that Western societies are patriarchal; that society is set up to serve the interests of men as an entire collective. They see everything through a gendered lens, which stops them from seeing the wood from the trees.

The whole idea of the feminist "sisterhood" is a joke. Women of other races/ethnic groups, religions, etc will put men from their group before a woman from an outgroup. You see this a lot, black women often claim white women lie about being raped by black men. If you want to see the most racially homogeneous group of friends, look at a woman's social circle. Black women stick with black women, Asian women with Asian women, etc.

I also think MGTOWs, etc fall into the same trap when they blame women for everything, but that's a whole different story. I tend to despise "gender politics", they're toxic and only serve to pit the sexes against each other. None of us would even exist if MGTOWs and Radfems existed and had their way thousands of years ago.

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    [–]brightlightbellend 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You're right, it's their hatred of men which is the driving force behind the movement. They're just radfems with a funky new label.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They've been misled by our common enemy into hating men. I think this hatred/anger can be redirected if they learn who deplatformed them, who has misled them, why they have misled them and why we are their allies - which we ultimately are.

    They're not like other radfems. They accept biology and this is partly why they were deplatformed. I think DAR and GC is a match made in heaven waiting to happen.

    They also correctly classify the karen meme as both sexist and racist. They also realize that there is a big lobby behind the trans movement; they even mention Soros. They are almost there.

    [–]MostlyGrocery 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I am unironically a feminist, I don't believe any of that conflicts with the central tenant beliefs any of us might hold. Caring about the white race means caring for the women of the white race, too. Women are more easy to manipulate, true, but I don't think any of us would pick the average young, racially masochistic white man to make our decisions for us, either. It is our job as men to defend and provide for the women we are charged with in our lives, be it those of our families, our friends, our communities, or our blood. A lot of the struggles terf types bring up are either completely valid, though difficult to understand, or are manipulated through the current academic and media systems into justifications of hatred of men, particularly the white men who build their civilizations.

    With all that being said, it's easy to dismiss them for biting the hand that feeds, but they are our mothers, wives, sisters, and daughters. You don't leave your wife to the wolves because she's uneducated, you wouldn't reject your daughter for coming back from college and being taught to hate her race and the men around her, it's part of our job as protectors to right things. Forgiveness, not meekness, but true forgiveness is something we must be capable of, the prodigal daughter is just as easy a story to tell as the prodigal son.

    At the current stage, I wouldn't feel comfortable allying with any GC or TERF types, detrans perhaps. While there's a lot of value there, people take women's existential pleas much more seriously than men's, it's too much of a risk. Our thinking is sadly very biased in terms of its participant gender, and it'd be too easy for the more misandrist types to stir shit and cause active harm. They're worth giving a chance, but it's a bit of a powder keg, and needs some careful defusing. With the psychological control those who would see us harm hold, it's a bit too much of a risk in my opinion.

    [–]EuropeanAwakening 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you are in this thing and are a feminist, you have a serious ideological misunderstanding that you need to address ASAP. Feminist ideology, even basic feminist ideology not even radfem stuff, is in direct contradiction of White racial interests and survival.

    Yes, I would absolutely reject my daughter for hating her race. Are you kidding me? Social ostracization works and needs to be enforced. The father accepts his son back in the tale of the prodigal son because his son was lost and found his way. I would accept my daughter back when she stopped hating her race and saw the way.

    [–]sineavec 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They're asking for the same thing Virginia Woolf asked for, "a room of one's own". Globalism is theft of all things: our nations, our identities, our freedom to be ourselves. Feminists who are getting out of the leftist framing of things, I hope they continue to see people like us more charitably. We're not their enemies.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't know about "Detrans", although anything that helps refute transgenderism is useful at least in the short term. However, I do not see TERFs or Gender Critical as an ally. At the end of the day they are feminists, even if they reject transgenderism they accept numerous other more damaging degeneracies.

    Enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, especially if the enemy's enemy is your enemy anyway. People should be careful who they ally with. It's similar case to how the early alt-right and the alt-lite tried to form ties with ex-Muslim communities to attack Islam, but ex-Muslims are usually a bunch of degenerate globalised hedonists pushing globohomo and most people finally accepted they were useless as "allies".

    [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    TERFs are funny and good for infighting but we wouldn't have issues with trannies in the first place without radical feminists (or feminists in general) pushing that degenerate bullshit. Fuck them.