Son, get a college degree or you'll spend the rest of your life as a bartender...

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https://twitter.com/ReallyIshaan/status/1282120339133042688/photo/1

Before the STEM copes start pouring in : https://twitter.com/Kostoglotov_/status/1282461875872006144/photo/1

At this point it is criminally stupid for someone to get into debt to pursue any college degree, STEM or otherwise. College has essentially become the new elementary school.

Plus even if you're highly qualified, there's the possibility that you'll be put in the back burner to meet diversity quotas. If you're going to pursue a STEM degree, you better have connections or it better be a field in which you can work freelance.

This is elite overproduction, its part of the reason behind the new woke revolution. Millennials want to kick out their boomer bosses and take their jobs. This also tightens the elite grip over the country. People will be willing to go through any degree of humiliation and coercion to keep their job now. There are so few job openings and you have to pay off your debt.

With the glut of STEM graduates we have now, I wouldn't be surprised if formerly high paying jobs like Engineers, lawyers and doctors are reduced to banal middle class professions that barely pay 50,000$ a year.

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[–]PropagandaPiece 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

While STEM degrees are starting to become far too common, we forget that we are starting to lose skilled labourers such as plumbers, electricians et al. These freelance jobs can pay incredibly well once you develop a reputation amongst valuable clientele. Often all it takes as well is a stint at trade school, a short apprenticeship or even getting family or a family friend to show you the ropes. University really is losing its meaning due to the sheer focus on indoctrination as well as the number of people going. Just remember that it's not necessary. I had the best grades out of everyone in my year in high school, plenty of them now are going to university but I'm choosing to jump into the military and pursue a career as an officer. The money is amazing and it's easy to support a family. Don't have tunnel vision and believe that university is the only way.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

But they're pushing gayness on the US military quite hard. How long before there are no straight white men in the officer corps?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

A big thing to remember with the shocking decline of the military is just how militaries function. They are dependent on recruiting so their standards and culture is a reflection of society at large. I am gutted over the infantry drastically lowering its standards and women being put into SOCOM positions but even I have to admit, their hands are tied. The only thing that keeps western militaries from becoming complete cesspools is that they are largely staffed by a "warrior caste" of families that have had military legacy over generations.

But by in large, you can't ask the military to rise above a rotting civilization.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It beggars belief that the US military can't find good recruits. Are you really telling me that in a country with 330 million people(190 million whites& 20 million Asians) they can't find enough good recruits to staff a 1 million man military? Plus the job market sucks balls, there are millions of people with masters degrees working odd jobs. The military pays well and you live on a lifetime of socialist welfare.

Either Americans are absolutely chicken shit and don't want to be anywhere near danger or the military's reputation is rock bottom. There isn't even real danger in the US military. Its not involved in any real war and suffers probablly a few hundreds casualties a year. You are more endangered by the homos and blacks in your own military than any enemy

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you really telling me that in a country with 330 million people(190 million whites& 20 million Asians) they can't find enough good recruits to staff a 1 million man military?

I am, yes. The American general populace is a rotted out husk of what it used to be.

https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-most-americans-cant-join-the-military-2015-9

71% of American youth would fail to qualify for enlistment in 2015 and this number has only gotten worse. And that 71% is the entire military, not more strict branches like the Marine Corps. Furthermore, <1% of the remaining <29% are even interested in the military and this metric is obviously constrained by age as well.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Millennials since covid have lost bearly all their wealth. People don't realize how bad it really is.

I understand the whole, millennials are lazy crap by boomers, but from what I can tell, some make poor choices but I know many working very hard and getting nowhere. With inflation and this manufactured crisis it can only get worse.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I heard about this guy disabled and getting like 509 dollars a month from the government, plus his family farms and they are on food stamps and welfare and just getting by. Such parasites feeding off the system. /s

Me, but not really me --- in a city producing and probably consuming piss and crap.

[–]Blended_Scotch 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Pushing gay men to enlist or pushing non-gay military men to be gay?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I meant globohomo. They want all officers and probably even enlisted men to be brainwashed marxists

[–]Blended_Scotch 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's sad if it really is heading that way. I wouldn't know, I don't live in the US.

I mean anyone should be able to enlist but don't take away their individuality

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A big problem with individuality among officers is that a few ideologically like-minded ones might organise one day, maybe get some intelligence gifts from a rival military power and you have a coup on your hands (grunts just follow orders usually, if they're told to storm the legislature they'll probably just think its a drill). Ideological indoctrination is an important part of keeping the officers loyal. Just look up any Cold War-era coup for proof.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if they're told to storm the legislature they'll probably just think its a drill

Lol

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is elite overproduction, its part of the reason behind the new woke revolution.

While I understand the context that you're using elite, I'd prefer that you didn't. The reason being that the types of people they're creating are not elite. They're creating gatekeepers via credentialism. Depending on the situation, I would include the term "diversity hires/quotas" in there as well. I think this describes the situation more accurately and is concise enough to swap out for what you said.

For anyone interested in combating or supplementing your post-secondary education, I would suggest looking into the classical liberal arts (trivium and quadrivium). I came across this that describes the purpose fairly well.

Originally these subjects or skills were held by classical antiquity to be essential for a free person (Latin: liberalis, "worthy of a free person") to acquire in order to take an active part in civic life, something that included among other things participating in public debate, defending oneself in court, serving on juries, and participating in military service.

Also check out here, https://sigup.net/

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A massive problem with this is globalism. The job markets, particularly in STEM, are fucked beyond recognition because the West is the only place that has STEM jobs. If you get a physics degree in Iran, your choice is either a couple institutions or working in another country. Stupid incompetent politicians opened Pandora's box and now they don't know how to close it.

As a sidenote, as someone who has seen the horrible work conditions for doctorate students in high-level sciences, it is disgusting just how much capitalism shits on purists. Many of the people getting 8 year degrees in oncology, physics, or any other noble career field with starry-eyed ambition of changing the world is churned through labs where the fruits of their labor go to the soulless sociopaths that prey on their ability and naivety. The sheer lack of meritocracy in STEM is horrible.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look at the bioweapons and patents of genetic testing and diagnostics and bacteria and viruses for reference. They are thrown into dirty labs with psychopaths to prey on the weak.

I swear they turn these kids into sociopaths.

Hey, I mean, if you hire Bill Kristol at your college to teach you ethics, you got more than a problem.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As many have said and you have implied, higher education is oversaturated and the value of degrees has decreased because it is no longer a certificate of merit anymore but a participation trophy for going through two-to-four years. You only fail really if you are lazy or can't handle long essays, it's surprisingly easy to pass bare minimum. This is a global problem as well as the education system functions exactly the same in every country.

Higher educational institutions aren't meritocratic anymore, they are not about training the bright but attempting to make the mediocre bright. Pass standards have declined, while affordability and access have increased. I should mention, affordability and access is not the issue but the standards required (although making higher education free under current circumstances would totally remove what little value degrees have left). A big part of this is the desire for the modern cushy upper-middle class lifestyle, which can also be tied to increasing affordability of our economic system (but also the increasing materialism and consumerism). People can no longer afford to buy any kind of property, simply rent spacious living spaces or have families.

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    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The thing with high competition degrees is that you have no ceiling, you can start out as 40k but you have the potential to reach 1 million a year. With tradies, you're more or less stuck at 70k for the rest of your life, at most you'll rise to 100k some day

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The thing with high competition degrees is that you have no ceiling, you can start out as 40k but you have the potential to reach 1 million a year. With tradies, you're more or less stuck at 70k for the rest of your life, at most you'll rise to 100k some day

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Very good book for anyone who's interested in going off the STEM plantation can read

    http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=F39995A9C71B15189DE208A7E575080B

    Also consider learning to trade derivatives (futures and options) if you're young and have some savings, the amount of freedom that can bring you is unparalleled if you get it right. Less than 10% of retail traders succeed but considering the idiots that get into it being in the top 10 isn't impossible.

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Jobs are back BABY. Oh yes, Trump. Exceot that there are the unemployed and the 90 million not even looking for a Job, many who gave up. The point is, jobs are declining and the corporations want to keep increasing rebots and automative means thus replacing jobs further. Ask those 90 million people to go get a job! I bet not even half could fine one worth anything.

    It will only get worse. Trades are the only option, no matter your age.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    The road its heading in, soon the only viable option for most Americans will be to go the village and live in subsistence agricultural communities. You farm your own food and trade with the locals tradesmen like you.

    It will be much less glamorous life, but will be far healthier than living in a big city, which is essentially a type of psychological torture at this point

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The problem is that neoliberals loathe the agritculture industry, especially farmers. They only subsidize the big pharmaceutical companies like Bayer that own much of the pesticide ridden seed supply. Trump is part and parcel of this amalgamation scam.

    So many farmers commit suicide or are on welfare and are poor, and farming is one of the most toughest jobs. The city dwellers that vote democrat then attack the farmers who vote republican, deapite republicans being frauds themselves, and the cycle ensues. In the 19th century farmers actually cared about politics ebough to do something about congress but with all the wealth and power of the radical republicans and corporate lawyers they stood no chance. Farming is Far harder than a desk job where all you produce and probably consume is piss, shit and garbage.

    1/3 of Americans are producing for 2/3 of Americans. It cannot sustain itself for too much longer. That is why they have so much stock in bioengineering food on a molecular basis. Lab created food. Honestly, its peoples choice to choose crap.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, big agribusiness is one of the most powerful lobbies in the US. I'm talking about independent, small communities, living mostly outside the Pozz society in subsistence cocmmunities

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I invite you to read this book:

    'THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE CONTAGION' Can Democracy Withstand the Imminent Transformation of Work, Wealth and the Social Order?'

    By David Barnhizer, Daniel Barnhizer

    Now with the push towards a cashless society, the technocracy will really start rolling and become more and more in your face.

    I just am dumbfounded how 90 million people are not even in thr labor force. That amount of people is crazy. It is something thr media never will me tion nor will Trump.

    It proves that we have too many people and too few jobs and the jobs that are open are absolute shit and earn you near nothing accounting for inflation.

    The US economy runs on consumerism. It is a retail economy and that cannot sustain itself for too mich longer, espeically when we are not self-reliant as a "corporation", nor are the majority of its people self-reliant.

    In a town in Illinois the state tried banning the trading of seeds to neighbors. That shows you how anti-human the people in power are.

    [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Plenty of jobs with an engineering degree requirement pay less than 50k. STEM is swollen and lots of companies can afford to pay less. Learn a trade and do something useful with your life, don't go to college.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Although quite imperfect in some respects, I cannot recommend I am Charlotte Simmons enough. That along with the movie Election comprise a knock-out blow on modern American society, and our notions of meritocracy and education in this shit country.