On Secular Jews

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

This is all totally wrong. I don't have a problem with Jews BECAUSE they may be Zionist and ultimately aside from their typical hypocrisy on the issue of ethnic nationalism I don't give a damn what Jews think about Israel or Zionism. My problem is actually mostly with secular Jews who endlessly push the pathologies they favour into the White mind.

For example does it matter to me what the position of Noel Ignatiev -- a 'secular Jew' -- was on Israel or does it matter what his position on destroying the White race was?

Also saying that secular Jews 'assimilate' into the nation they inhabit has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. They do not. They simply seek to Judaize the society they live in and make it more comfortable for them and America is the most potent example of this phenomenon. As our Jignat friends will constantly remind us it's the more religious Jews who tend to, in some ways, think like us and agree with us -- which doesn't mean they're our friends.

It was secular Jews who dominated Bolshevism, 60's radicalism and nearly every other harmful movement to our people.

I'm actually amazed anyone on the Dissident Right could post this.

[–]grocerymannn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As our Jignat friends will constantly remind us it's the more religious Jews who tend to, in some ways, think like us and agree with us -- which doesn't mean they're our friends.

I've noticed even the ones that have a completely alt-right/ethno nationalist worldview will bend over backwards to try and explain how their worldview is perfectly fine and nice while oh no the evil nazis are soooo different from me.

[–]VarangianRasputin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I don't have a problem with Jews BECAUSE they may be Zionist and ultimately aside from their typical hypocrisy on the issue of ethnic nationalism I don't give a damn what Jews think about Israel or Zionism.

Same here, just when they do it at our expense via forcing us into their wars, etc. But we're not talking about those Jews.

For example does it matter to me what the position of Noel Ignatiev -- a 'secular Jew' -- was on Israel or does it matter what his position on destroying the White race was?

We can point out individual Jews like that, but that doesn't address the "Mischlings" in the German army that I mentioned. You're narrowing it down to an entirely different issue.

Also saying that secular Jews 'assimilate' into the nation they inhabit has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. They do not. They simply seek to Judaize the society they live in and make it more comfortable for them and America is the most potent example of this phenomenon.

This never happened in the East. Like you say below:

It was secular Jews who dominated Bolshevism

Bolshevism saved Eastern Europe. Those countries in the Soviet Sphere are in a much better state than us culturally because they were kept free of the rootless cosmopolitanism that western Jewish Capitalism created. Over there, they were allowed to be Nationalistic, even East Germany. Lack of Nationalism is completely unheard of in China, Vietnam, North Korea.

I'm actually amazed anyone on the Dissident Right could post this.

Yeah, crazy how somebody could, GASP, disagree with you. No offense dude, but this is debatealtright, we're meant to, you know, debate things.

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Bolshevism saved Eastern Europe. Those countries in the Soviet Sphere are in a much better state than us culturally because they were kept free of the rootless cosmopolitanism that western Jewish Capitalism created. Over there, they were allowed to be Nationalistic, even East Germany. Lack of Nationalism is completely unheard of in China, Vietnam, North Korea.

Stalinism saved Eastern Europe. Under Lenin you had all the typical Weimar shit going on. Stalin built something decent by removing the Jewish elements of Bolshevism.

[–]VarangianRasputin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

And even Lenin inadvertently sparked a lot of Nationalism, which was something that his opponents often criticized him for (for example, Rosa Luxembourg).

Regarding the Stalinism thing, that's basically what I meant by Bolshevism, which I used incorrectly. Just reading Trotsky's "The Revolution Betrayed" really shows how Stalin foiled Trotsky and Lenin's fucked up social plans and put Russia on track.

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    [–]VarangianRasputin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Neither Stalinism nor any other type of communism saved Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe was doing fine without it.

    Eastern Europe was a backward agrarian society under incompetent rulers who were more interested in personal gain than the nation. I don't believe anybody could say that Tsarist Russia was better than the Soviet Union.

    Saving would be, preventing liberal influence without destroying us or our culture by other means.

    He did, actually. He kept the east out of the UN, because he saw it for what it was, a Liberal Hegemony. That's partially why he set up Comecon and Cominform, as well as the Warsaw Pact. He understand that a bulwark needed to create a balance of power in Europe.

    Even East Germany, despite the reparations, were allowed to remain nationalist, and weren't constantly being told how evil they were (at least, in comparison to the West). They even were allowed to deny any complicity in the holohoax, so they weren't brow-beaten with that bullshit.

    spreading feminism

    Traditional family values were promoted in the east though. Letting women have industrial jobs isn't feminism. And they let some women fight in a huge conflict, they had the numerical advantage, what better way to keep it, than starting up like 2 airwings and giving some Rifles in Stalingrad. Plus, a good deal of the men were dead. Somebody had to do the work in post-war Europe. That solution was certainly preferable to what the UK did (The WindRush Plan).

    bringing in third world migrants

    When? And even if he brought in some, those countries remained majority Slavic/German/Magyar respectively.

    he still destroyed a bunch of cathedrals and other elements of Slavic heritage

    That's undeniable, however, he preserved many other parts of Slavic heritage, such as music, art, etc. His writings and speeches (and those of his government) are filled to the brim with mentions of "The great Russian people", "Our Great Land", etc. It's clear that he understood the Slavic people are one with a unique identity and destiny. In his position I would have promoted a form of Liberation Theology.

    I'm not saying I agree with Stalin 100%, but I believe, by and large, the good outweighed the bad. His legacy, or rather the power of it, is much better. I am a NatCom (or NazBol, or whatever floats your boat, I prefer NatCom, and no I'm not a Marxist), so I do have a bias.

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      How many did he kill? 60 million during his ... comraderie or whatever? To say that something is worth 60 million deaths, or that the USSR was better off after killing 60 million than staying under a tzar requires a lot of strong backing. It's a tall order, justifying such statements.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        More or less, I was replying to both of you, who seem to gloss over Stalin's impressive record for one of the highest body counts in all of history.

        "He did some good things" "He did many bad things" - WHAT ABOUT 60 MILLION DEAD? Doesn't that trump anything ELSE?

        [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Tsarist Russia had great cultural achievements like musical composers (like Tchaikovsky) and authors like Dostoevsky.

        The Soviet Union also had it's share of cultural achievements.

        I agree, the peasentry was living under feudalism, but was it worse then communism? Economically? Might be, culturally? Probably not. In feudal times you could visit your local church and other places of national heritage, in communist times often not.

        The USSR was undergoing rapid economic change (National Collectivization, Industrialization etc), so it required workers to be consistently active to keep the entire economy from collapsing altogether. This was more than likely the result of Marxist dogmatism, as Marx said that a country had to be heavily industrialized before a revolution could happen and Socialism established. Of course that's weird gate-keeping, but on the bright side, Stalin holds the record for fastest industrialization. Unfortunately this rapid economic change, done without care as a task such as that should receive, alongside plain old bad-weather, is what caused the Ukrainian famine.

        No, the Soviet Union is one of the founding members of the UN (the Anti-German alliance of WW2).

        Could I'm mistaking it for NATO then. Either way, Stalin dropped out of it after the war for the above reasons.

        What about abortions, education, etc? Not exactly promotion of stable families. Yes, parts of this was introduced after Stalins death, but definitely in communist times. Chidren were taught in school to spy on their own parents, etc.

        To be clear, the USSR is not my form of an ideal state. I'm just pointing some good aspects. In the Far East (Vietnam, China, Korea), Communism was used for far more national, conservative reasons.

        Yes, because it collapsed in 1989. Last week I checked the numbers for Eastern Germany. They had, like the West, falling birth rates since the early 70s, while more and more foreigners entered the country. Literally replacement migration.

        I never knew that actually.

        Sure, he was more patriotic than our liberal elites. Still we should not forget that patriotism only became "allowed" during WW2 to strenghten the moral against the Germans and after the war against the West.

        Nationalism is Nationalism. Plus, Stalin and Co were saying stuff like that in the 20s and early 30s before he went to war.

        Where can I learn more about this?

        Like, National Bolshevism type stuff? That's basically what I want, I just prefer the term National Communism (this term was used by the Romanian government) because I feel the term "National Bolshevism has little meaning anywhere west of Germany (the term was used widely in German and Russian Nationalist circles that embraced Socialism).

        For resources, there is ARplan, which collects articles from Nationalist and/or Socialist thinkers.

        Then of course there is The Other Russia's Website, the main National Bolshevik party in Russia (if you don't count the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which some do). You'll need a translator for this one though.

        Gaddafi is considered NazBol by most (including myself), so you might want to check out his 'Green Book'.

        You might have heard of Alexander Dugin? He doesn't have as big as a place in the movement as you'd expect. The only idea he has that is widely embraced is 'The Fourth Political Theory', which posits that we should scan Liberalism, Marxism and Fascism, (1st, 2nd, 3rd theories respectively) and create a 4th one. We see National Communism/Bolshevism as a starting point. Neo-Eurasianist 'Philosophy' is also widely embraced by Russian NazBols.

        Do you believe most Soviet leaders were good or only Stalin?

        Stalin, and maybe Yeltsin. But to be honest, they've got nothing on guys like Ho Chi Minh and Kim-Il Sung, who used Marxism as a tool to free their people from control by foreign powers. In Korea, White Defectors from the Korean War were not allowed to marry or be with Korean women, and the Vietnamese revolution undeniably had an Ethno-Nationalist character.

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          [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          How important was US involvement (General Electrics, etc.) in industrializing the Soviet Union?

          Honestly, I couldn't tell you. You could make a sock-account on reddit and ask some of the guys on r/communism101, keeping in mind they're full-on internationalists.

          Is Dugins Eurasianism similar to the Eurosiberia idea of French New Right thinkers like Faye or is it something totally different?

          Never heard of Eurosiberia, but Dugin specifically advocates Neo-Eurasianism, which posits that Russia and Eurasia are interchangeable terms, and a Eurasian Union should be formed "from Vladivostok to Lisbon". The idea being creating a counterbalance between them and 'Atlanticism', which basically just means American Liberal Hegemony, basically, an explicitly Nationalist Warsaw Pact. I'm not huge on the idea personally.

          [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          And even Lenin inadvertently sparked a lot of Nationalism, which was something that his opponents often criticized him for (for example, Rosa Luxembourg).

          Do you have a source for this? I know she criticized the authoritarian aspects of what Lenin was creating but I don't know of her criticizing nationalist aspects. I seen in her writing more support for national concepts than in Lenin who was a militant internationalist.

          [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The Spartacist league, which Luxembourg met her well-deserved end while helping leading, was massively against what it considered 'Bourgeois Constructs', such as Nationalism, Elitism (which was why she disagreed Lenin's Vanguardism). Both were militant internationalists, and Rosa herself did not push for Polish independence.

          I remember reading somewhere that they [the Spartacist league] were in contact with a group in America that was looking to abolish age of consent laws, but I've lost that link, and I'm way too nervous to type shit like that in a browser.

          [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Yeah, crazy how somebody could, GASP, disagree with you. No offense dude, but this is debatealtright, we're meant to, you know, debate things.

          You're Jewish, clearly

          [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Lol what? Tell that to my long history pointing out Jews and all that shit over on reddit, I'm sure a good few of the mods remember me from reddit. There isn't a drop of non-European blood in my veins, as a matter of fact. Get a grip man.

          I know we've had a weird, long list of infiltrators, but what the fuck? How the fuck am I a Jew?

          [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Was joking how the sentence was in the jewish cadence lol

          [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Oh sorry. I may not be Jewish but I am retarded.

          [–]Mr9to5 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I don’t have a clear-cut answer - but that gets close to the nature of the problem. There aren't clear-cut factions of Jews like you’re describing, “secular Jews” would actually be a very good way of describing much of Israeli society. You could also do what much of the Right does, which is try to make religious Jews “based” - completely ignoring what the Talmud actually is.

          I used to know a Jewish libertarian who was always trying to flex his right-wing credentials. He talked about Atlas Shrugged until I wanted to scream and was insane for Trump. He even went to church because he was intermarried. Sounds pretty, based, huh? (I mean, not really but let’s pretend.)

          Over time, I realized that he had horrific demons. This was a huge act of overcompensating. He ultimately turned out to be one of the most Jewish people I knew. He’d done volunteer work for the ADL. He believed in “libertarian open borders.” It’s not hard to see where this isn’t based but just all mixed-up.

          Like attracts like. Paul Gottfried presents no problem because he’s Paul Gottfried. He doesn’t damage things because he isn’t damaged. I don’t think we need formal statements of policy beyond that. Despite what our enemies say, we aren’t naturally discriminatory but naturally inclusive and true parallel types will always have a place. Our problems, as countless leaders have indicated, is knowing that some line has to be drawn. We’re less good at that.

          [–]VarangianRasputin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Can't say I very much disagree with any of that really. Truth be told, I am playing devil's advocate just slightly.

          Also, could you define, "Right-Wing Credentials" a bit more?

          [–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          The issue is, jews aren't White. Even if they are based and agree with us, they should go make a Jewish NatSoc ethnostate or some shit. I could go further but I think that will always be the big thing, no matter what conclusion you reach, they aren't whites, or at least not white enough. I could see a dilemma arising in based Jews who straddle the line between jew and White, but other than that, I don't see it as relevant.

          In the case where they could go either way, I think it's better to go on the safe side and call them a Jew, ESPECIALLY if there's a jewish state like Israel they could go to anyway.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          The problem is that to them, lying to us is the most essential virtue. So they might say they agree with you, and then turn around and do the contrary. Hitler ran some experiments on them, and they are genuinely not aware of this degenerate behavior.

          [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Exactly, many of them are acting on natural instinct and indoctrination just like lefties. But unlike lefties theres no redpilling a Jew. It's like trying to teach a lion to be a vegetarian or, more accurately, teaching a leech to hunt on its own. It won't happen.

          [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          Obviously our main problem is with the Zionist Jews who are propping up their people at the expense of our own. However, what of the Secular Jews?

          In the alt right we talk a lot about the secular jew vs zionist jew and we call it a 'divide' in the Jewish community. In my observation both groups of these Jews are parasites on the white race. The secular and zionist both favor secularism in non Jewish nations. The only way they differ is subversion tactics or in other words what type of 'parasite' they are.

          The secular Jews are social parasites. They never assimilate but use mimicry to change your society from within. These are the 'fellow white' jews. The other group known as zionist or traditional religious Jews subvert without fake assimilating. These are faculative parasites. They don't depend on the host and can move around. In fact many rabbis call for an end of Israel because it goes against the original diaspora roots of Jews. Unfortunately these faculative parasites produce little obligate parasites that are no longer independent and must rely on a host to complete their life cycle. These obligates often become parasitoids and kill their host. I also noticed this discussion going on between older more traditional Jews that warn their revolutionary offspring not to kill the golden goose. Unfortunately their offspring never listen.

          The ultimate goal of both Jewish parasite strategies is a more extreme type of social parasitism called ectoparsitism exhibited by the Tetramorium inquilinum. This is a unique ant species found in Europe. It's an entire breed of ant with no worker class. Tetramorium inquilinum lives its life on the back of another species of ant called the pavement ant. Thus permanently enslaving the host species.

          [–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          This is probably the best response so far. I know the post seems Shilly and kind of off-colour, but I was really trying to start a conversation on "Mischlings" and the like.

          [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Last year Devon Stack did a video about white guilt and black face.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpt1ksVsBjE

          If he wasn't trying to produce a video that could be posted on youtube I'm sure he would have made the video more explicitly about jews and mischilings. Al Jolson is a good example of how 2nd gen jews are very different then first gen and exhibit different parasite strategies.

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            You could not exterminate yourself out of a wet paper bag. You fucking internet eunuch.

            Is this all you do online? Tell people how you are going to 'exterminate' everything.

            I am still waiting for your threats of 'what I got coming' to appear. But alas they have not. Reason being you are a ball lacking estrogen filled basement dwelling living on mommies' tit fucking piece of abject damp shit.

            What absolute joke you are. An embarrassing waste of genetic material. Your parents must be proud. Not that you have any I am guessing. Certainly no daddy. Well apart from the kind you find on Grindr I am guessing anyway.

            Keep being angry Goyim. All us Jews find it hilarious. You are utterly powerless.

            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            All us Jews find it hilarious. You are utterly powerless.

            You should make a thread explaining how powerless us goyim are instead of just lurking and attacking low hanging fruit.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            'You should make a thread explaining how powerless us goyim are instead of just lurking and attacking low hanging fruit.'

            Obvious satire not your bag is it. You dipshits are to stupid to realise you are being trolled.

            Unlike you retarded and regressive hate filled cunts, I do not actually believe any of the bollocks I wrote. But it sure triggered all you absolute melts.

            Stay triggered you racist piece of shit.

            ' and attacking low hanging fruit.' Not my fault you are all thick as pigshit.

            Stay angry and wrong about everything though.

            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            What's comical is that poster, who's comment was deleted, was probably a Jew shill. You Jews come into these forums and argue with your fake profiles why we continue to discuss white nationalism. It's actually hilarious.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            LOL. What a fucking an absolute hoot you kook's are. Even the anti-semitism is coming from Jews to upset the apple cart.

            You paranoid twat. Absolutely hilarious how paranoid you retardard white nationalists are.

            'The Master race'.

            Yeh. Right. 0.2% of the population has the other 99.8% in the palm of its hands. How fucking deeply weak does that make you lot then, if such a tiny percentile of Jews can control you all so easily?

            What a piss weak and feeble set of genetics you must have.

            Stay angry, bitter, and WEAK though.

            Laughing in Jewish supremacy

            Tata 'master race'.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            The problem with Jews is they are brainwashed from the earliest days of their life, until at LEAST 13 years old, usually much longer with these basic tenets of their CULTURAL and RACIAL creed:

            "WE ARE INFINITELY SUPERIOR TO THESE ANIMALS, WHO ARE MEANT TO BE OUR CATTLE AND SLAVES" "TO FOOL, ROB OR OTHERWISE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A GOY IS THE MOST ELEMENTARY OF VIRTUES"

            As such, there is nothing to be done. You can't even KNOW they're secular. They're telling you they are? So what? And even if they were, they still believe the shit above, plus tons more. They don't just "believe" it. To them it's a TRUTH that they identify with, to the core of their beings: they have been exposed to almost only people who believe this crap for their whole life up to adulthood.

            [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Or they could have their own state and solve their differences there...

            I don't consider (for difference reasons) USSR and Third Reich as good examples of what should be the norm now.

            [–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            This begs the question, what is to be done with the Secular Jews?

            I think the division between secular and zionist doesn't work. There's plenty of 'secular' Jews who are still hardcore zionists, not to mention, cultural poison.