National debt = ZERO: Austerity unnecessary. I'm sick and tired of people knowing little or refusing to talk about our banking system; we forget that we ourselves are all usurers.

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The Truth is Simple, Lies are Complex; Don't get Bogged Down in the Lies

**We are part of the problem—always will be—if we do not wake up to the woes of modern finance, banking and the reductio ad absurdum of "business as usual." Yeshua was right on all accounts that the root of evil is "love of money."

Our memory lapses, either due to apathy, ignorance or the tiredness and necessity of surviving in such a system that we let devious, satanic criminals control our labor, education, health; if we let them, perception, and soon our children and their children's children's future. We've already subjugated and mortgaged unsurmountable debt down the generational line—debts unimagined. Debts that will be forced by the gun, as an apathetic public and a hijacked government, simultaneously perpetuates the system of debt forever more.

https://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/monetary-table.jpg

^ ^ ^ Perfected economy vs. Bank obfuscated. From Earthlingg Blog.

National debt = ZERO: Austerity unnecessary.

Read full articles and more here: https://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/national-debt-zero-austerity-unnecessary/

Hereon, is the linked article quoted:

But our CORRUPT British government [and US government] (ALL PARTIES) DO NOT WANT THIS and will NOT tell the British people [and American people] the big con whereby your wealth – and the country’s as a whole – is being stolen from underneath our noses while these parasites, which includes our monarchy, [a corporation and the US federal corporation & c.,] feed from you by filling you up with debt then allowing the Banks to burst the bubble and call in the loans/debt.

Britain, just as the Federal Reserve [a corporate charter by a criminal congress; both Democrats and Republicans] is fleecing the American public so too is the Bank of England fleecing you. And our governments [corporations] play along because, as you may have noticed, those who are in government are very well taken care of financially.

[Why? Because they are members of an incorporated congress and parliament whom work for a "government" corporation. They do not work for you, at least not anymore. This is so fundamental to understand; these congressmen and women are traded on wall-street in their capital incorporated "personhood," even Ron Paul. They are only in it for power politics, money or a sense of self-worth; never to change the fundamental flaws in the system, for they, rather all of us perpetuate it.]

PLEASE, for your own sakes and for the sake of us all: WAKE THE HELL UP!

I have since personally received a copy of Henry Kerby’s transcript of this EDM from the PARLIAMENTARY ARCHIVIST.

**THIS is why our country (and I may add ALL other countries’ sovereignty is going down the plughole and our debt is ever increasing and shall never end. THIS is why we have an UNNECESSARY AUSTERITY: Because the POLITICIANS will NOT issue our own currency debt free.

[They, as I've mentioned, are totally fine with being sold to the highest private corporate bidder. They are the machinations of corporate personhood, the levers that allow the deception to continue indefinitely. And if one lone senator or house member, speaks out against, banking, or say Israelism, he's not only shunned or disbarred but a hypocrite, nonetheless, for being a member of an incorporated congress.]

Adolf Hitler [whatever one wishes to say about him] was NOT the instigator of WW2. [Source: 1939: The War that had Many Fathers] He worked out the problem and the problem was Private controlled Bankers (the MAJORITY of them jewish because ONLY the jewish religion from centuries past allowed USURY and the British Christians in the 1600s then adopted it when the christian religion had always denounced it) who created the money out of thin air and loaned at interest.

They are PARASITES; very few people seem to understand this.

Who REALLY instigated WW2 and why? (and WHY are they doing such again today?):   

http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

Many people will NOT like this idea but it is NOT an idea. It is FACT!

Notice it was all well before 1939 and why? Because Hitler was not playing ball and was issuing his OWN currency! WHO writes History? The victors do! [Based on labor.]

THAT’S why you don’t get the truth in your history books at schools people! The entire nations of the world are in debt. Every single one of them (you can find the figures through googling easily enough).

Now just stop and think in very simple terms (BECAUSE THIS IS VERY VERY SIMPLE):

  • If YOUR family was the only family on earth but was still in debt, WHO would your family be in debt to?

Who COULD it be? The answer: No-one!

Now apply that to the fact that EVERY nation on earth is in debt. For EVERY debtor there is a CREDITOR.

Who has sovereignty?

WHO is in control? The CREDITOR is.

So if EVERY nation is in debt (which they are) then WHO, ultimately, is the creditor? The ENTIRE HUMAN FAMILY is in debt!

To who?

To the Private Central Bankers. THAT is why we all have austerity and why countries like Greece and Portugal and Ireland and even us, the UK, are selling off assets. [It is happening in the US and will only get worse.]

Because our politicians are in bed getting their kickbacks from the legislation they adopt in favour of the banks! It’s not your local high street bank we’re talking about here. It is the entire banking system controlled by the IMF and Central Banks.

The WHO ; who is behind them? Well we KNOW who!

[Think about the Covid-19 "pandemic" and the ensuing economic collapse. Think about how it is related to austerity, corporate stock buybacks, etc., this isn't the nature of communism, like they, the corporate media, would like you to fear, that project was already tried, no, the nature of the game today is the imploding of the economy to reset it for crony-"capitalists" sake using the people as collateral. The banks always make more profit in a time of economic crisis. We saw that in the early 20's in the UK.]

Captain Henry Kerby MP: UK Parliament Hansards 1965:

1. The UK government DO NOT WISH TO eliminate the National Debt. It has NEVER been their intention!

https://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/captain-henry-kerby-1.jpg

^ ^ ^ IMPORTANT, CLICK TO READ

2. “No”. Could this be ANY clearer for you?

https://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/captain-henry-kerby-2.jpg

^ ^ ^ IMPORTANT, CLICK TO READ

(Captain Henry Kerby’s Early Day Motion dated 22nd December 1964.)

Ask yourself a VERY simple question: Why would the British Government NOT wish to pay off the National Debt?

A Motion to Restore the Power of the Issue of Money to the Crown

http://prosperityuk.com/2001/10/a-motion-to-restore-the-power-of-the-issue-of-money-to-the-crown/

This article appeared in Prosperity, October 2001 By Captain Henry Kerby MP

On the 22nd December, 1964, Captain Henry Kerby, MP, placed the following Motion before the House of Commons.

It was an “Early Day Motion” and so it was never debated and, consequently, does not appear in Hansard. It is, however, published in the Early Day Motion records and we have a copy of it here at Prosperity.

The House of Commons Public Information Office Factsheet on Early Day Motions states that an “Early Day Motion” is the “colloquial term for a notice of motion given by a Member for which no date has been fixed for debate” and where “in the vast majority of cases, there is absolutely no prospect of these motions ever being debated. Their modern existence is due to Members wishing to put on record their opinion on a subject and canvass support for it from fellow Members. They do this by inviting, actively or passively, other members to endorse the proposed motion.” However, even if 250-300 Members might endorse it, “the lack of prospect of the motion being debated remains much the same.”

Below we reprint the full text of Captain Kerby’s Early Day Motion, titled as below, and his comments—unpublished in the official record—follow.

THE EMISSION OF ALL THE MEANS OF EXCHANGE

  • That this House considers that the continued issue of all the means of exchange – be they coin, bank-notes or credit, largely passed on by cheques – by private firms as an interest-bearing debt against the public should cease forthwith; that the Sovereign power and duty of issuing money in all forms should be returned to the Crown, then to be put into circulation free of all debt and interest obligations, as a public service, not a private opportunity of profit and control for no tangible returns to the British people; and that the volume of money be controlled so as to maintain stable prices.

  • That the nationalization of the Bank of England did nothing to solve this problem as the bank only serves a subsidiary purpose and almost all money is still created out of nothing by mere book entry by private banks.

  • That the aims of those who want to assure private property and free enterprise, as well as those who want to protect the British people from unfair exploitation, would both be best served by restoring the power of issuing money to Her Majesty The Queen, in accordance with ancient tradition and law, as is also demanded by the American Constitution, which gives the right of issue solely to Congress, so as to assure the State and Nation the benefits of that emission and relieve them of the immense and growing burdens of a parasitical National and private debt; and to make certain that control passes to the taxed and is taken out of the hands of the present hidden and unlawful beneficiaries of taxation, much of the proceeds of which they collect as interest on all money and immense debts.

  • And therefore this House calls upon Her Majesty’s Government to introduce the required legislation, to assert the proper sovereignty of The Queen in Council in this most important of all sovereign functions, to assure unprecedented prosperity with true sovereignty and liberty.

Captain Kerby’s comments

It is not generally understood that for many centuries, in Britain and in almost all other civilized countries, the power and duty of coinage, i.e. of the issue of money in all forms – coin, notes and book-entry credit passed on by cheque, etc. – was vested solely in the Crown or State.

For this reason the tradition still persists of putting the Sovereign’s portrait on the coinage, though in fact since the end of the 17th century, the reign of William and Mary, by far the greatest part of all the effective means of exchange are issued by private bankers out of nothing by mere book entry, to be lent at interest to the State and to private borrowers. Thus real power passed from the State to the private bankers. [Who are these private bankers?]

There is ample evidence from many independent sources to prove that most of the means of exchange in modern conditions originate with bankers.

In America it is aptly called “fractional reserve banking,” [it was but fractional reserve banking isn't even applied anymore as it was allegedly suppose to be; they will soon cease all reserves] meaning that if you have a pound in cash in the till you can issue ten or twenty times more in the form of “credit” on the books, which is mostly circulated by cheques.

Not a few Heads of Central Banks of Issue have stated the facts at public enquiries or in the press, including the chief of the Canadian Bank of Issue, also Mr. Marriner Eccles — at one time in parallel position in the U.S. Federal Reserve — and the late Mr. Reginald McKenna, former Chancellor of the Exchequer and Chairman of the Midland Bank. They and many others confirmed that it is the function of banks to create money out of nothing and lend it out.

The “Report of the (New Zealand) Royal Commission on Monetary, Banking and Credit Systems,” 1956, states in part; Para. 164:

Creation of Money by the Trading Banks: “The fact that a large proportion of our money supply comes into existence as a result of the operations of the trading banks obviously disturbed many witnesses …”

This evidence is paralleled by that given in 1960 to the Radcliffe Committee in London. We quote from the evidence given by the Bank of England, Vol. 1, Memoranda of Evidence; p.9. 4. The Control of Bank Credit in the United Kingdom:

Because an entry in the books of a bank has come to be generally acceptable in the place of cash it is possible for the banks to create the equivalent of cash (i.e. credit). Thus a bank may pay for a security purchased from a customer merely by making an entry in its books to the credit of that customer’s account: or it may make an advance by means of a similar entry. In either case, an increase in its deposits will occur.”

In the United States of America, the Constitution clearly provides in Art. I, Sec. 8, Clause 5, that only Congress shall have the power to coin (issue) money, regulate the value thereof and of foreign coin (rate of exchange). Yet obviously this constitutional provision has been completely ignored in practice almost since American independence.

In the United Kingdom, too, the spirit of the old laws and traditions has been circumvented.

Yet this is no mere academic matter, but a question of supreme importance, affecting the Sovereignty and very existence of the State and country. It has been said that there should be no taxation without representation, yet private financiers can issue “imaginary” money out of nothing by mere book entry and lend it at interest, they acquire the profit of issue and of interest gratis, at the cost of the whole community.

This is taxation in the fullest sense, accompanied not by the representation of the taxed, but by the complete power of the true tax collector, who is the ruler.

The basic truth of no taxation without representation is turned upside down and inside out.

It follows that the power of Parliament in general, and especially with regard to Money is non-existent, and all true sovereignty is in the hands of those private individuals who issue all money and determine its value and distribution. If even the State borrows from them, having abandoned its own powers of coinage (emission) to private financiers, how can that State claim to be truly sovereign?

The real basis of the power of the money-creators and money-lenders lies in the fact that few know the truth about this financial “hidden hand.”

Conservatives with knowledge and long historical memories will recall that the original Tories were Jacobites.

Today this question does not apply to the Crown as Her Majesty enjoys the loyalty of all Her subjects. But the spirit of the old Jacobites expressed a sounder understanding of the functions of the Crown as fount of Sovereignty, to be exercised with Counsellors. In the context of that conception it was natural that the power of monetary emission should belong to the Sovereign, and long experience has shewn that that proposition was sound. [Sovereignty has been elicited from the state: "We the People", to private incorporated financiers. Godless, financiers who care little about the welfare of anyone else.]

On the other hand the old Whigs were the proponents of “Dutch Finance,” of the issue of the means of exchange as an interest-bearing debt by private bankers, and of the domination of the State by High Finance, not the Sovereign in Council, the King and people.

With the decline of Liberalism in Great Britain it might be thought that Socialist Labour is the heir of that tradition.

It is the claim of Socialist leaders that theirs is not the Party of the Big Money Men. The test is this: will Labour understand that the “nationalization” of the power of coinage (emission) is the supreme necessity?

And not the confiscation of the fruits of many peoples’ labour and invention.

If the Socialist Party does not pass this test and continues to protect parasitical finance, if only by its silence, then it will lay itself open to an attack which it could never repulse, however long it may postpone the show-down.

Here, then, are some basic propositions which should be known to all, and which are behind the intentions of the Motion:

    1. All the means of exchange, with the exception of a very small fraction (coin) are created in the books of private banks when they lend to the State and private borrowers. Conversely, when a loan or overdraft is repaid there is less money in circulation; citizens pays off their loans, no more money and still their is debt.
    1. Even notes and coin come into circulation only in exchange for book entry purchases of Treasury Bills by banks, and thus are virtually issued by the bankers.[For a fuller description on how notes and coins come into circulation, see April 2000 Prosperity]

http://prosperityuk.com/2001/10/a-motion-to-restore-the-power-of-the-issue-of-money-to-the-crown/moneymake.html#M1

  • 3. It follows that those who have the power to “create” out of nothing all the money in each country and the whole world and lend it as stated, have total power over all States, parties, firms, radio, press, individuals and so on. [Who are these people?]

Therefore the powers of Parliament are largely ephemeral.

  • 4. It is essential that the issue of money be as needed by the whole nation and hence free from private or political influence. Consequently it is essential that the Queen in Council should resume the power and duty of monetary emission. If new money is spent (not lent) into circulation, taxes could be reduced to a small fraction of their present and growing burden and the National Debt will gradually disappear.

[I invite anyone to watch monarchists step foot into a parliament. There are videos on YouTube. You'll notice that its members scoff at the King or Queen, for to them it is only a facade, a show; money-power rules, and the King and Queen is just for show.]

    1. Banks should only be able to lend moneys they have earned or borrowed. Their other functions would remain.
    1. With the release from the debt and tax burden and with the issue of money in accordance with the needs of exchange, the country would experience unexampled and lasting prosperity, with no slumps and unemployment.

Financial principles and policies would be open and broadly understood: instead of being Master, Money would become a public servant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqHua1NxnY8

https://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/captain_kerby-edm.jpg

That nations eradicate the “death grip” of this banking practice and the ponzi/pyramid scheme utilising non existent money which surrounds it—doing that would eradicate ALL the debt of any and all nations whether black, brown, white, red or yellow. I am not interested in a racist approach to this for what is being attempted by the people furthering this NWO and banking scam has nothing to do with race for it is promulgated by people at the top of ALL nations and of ALL races. It is a “class” war not a racial war! Yes they use race in the mix but that is for the purpose of division and to keep people’s eye off the real issue!

Also, Zionism is racism and Zionists are trying to front the pro-white, anti-muslim narrative while "Bolsheviks" are pushing the "white privilege" narrative.

They love to distract you with race. Think about finance. That is the lever of control.

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

If the national debt was reduced to zero the US would experience the biggest economic depression in human history. The truth is that the national debt isn't the problem. It's private debt that caused both the Great Depression and the Great Recession. Debt will always exist as long as we live under the price system, and the state - especially a powerful state like the US - can carry way more debt than private corporations or individuals. The problem we have is that most of the debt creation - meaning money - is initiated by private banks, mainly in the form of loans. Debt creation should be nationalized and initiated at zero interest. Lincoln wanted to do this right before he was killed. It's why Bismarck called Lincoln's death a tragedy for the West. Germany always had a tradition of wanting to nationalize finance, which is why they were demonized by international Jewry and the Anglosphere.

Anyway, if you want to get rid of debt entirely then you need to dismantle the price system. Stop reading neoclassical economists and start reading Thorstein Veblen. The cancer isn't debt, the state, or the free market. It's the price system itself.

They love to distract you with race.

You're trying to subvert us. It won't work. Race is important. Period.

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I agree.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lincoln wanted to do this right before he was killed.

Lincoln was backed by whigs and radical republicans. His greenbacks were still debt bonds, and becme the forerunner of the FED system. People do not realize that. Lincoln worked for bankers of a different kind whilst the South worked for their own bankers. The people, all people, lost in the end.

Everything else, I agree with.

We need holding houses and silver certificates that are redemmable in the same amount of silver. Reserves as assets that are redeemable such as silver specie or silver bars that equal the exact amount without denomination devaluation.

That, with the ridding of interest bearing loans as public debt. That would prevent the banks from making a profit. Holding houses are the solution and money should be thr solution of an exchange of goods, not a deterrence due to the banks control over it.

As for the price fix system, I agree. It's largely based on Gold idolatry.

What do you think of a barter economy in a modern society?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Why did you delete your first reply?

Here are my responses:

No, it would not.

Yes, it would. You have no idea how the system actually works. You're just spouting misinformed libertarian clichés.

Just cut out the middleman and central bank.

There will always be a middleman, and central banks are good. The Great Depression was caused by lots of small private banks going bust. And if the US didn't have a central bank the Great Recession would have been much worse. Again, the problem is that most of the debt creation is initiated by private banks, and that the central banks are beholden to the plutocracy. In a Third Positionist regime that would't be the case.

By the way, nationalizing finance should only be a first step in dismantling the price system completely. That should be the long-term goal.

Lincoln was backed by whigs and radical republicans. His greenbacks were still debt bonds, and becme the forerunner of the FED system.

Yes, but it would have been a nationalized financial system. It's not ideal, but it's far better than what we got, and still have.

We need holding houses and silver certificates that are redemmable in the same amount of silver. Reserves as assets that are redeemable such as silver specie or silver bars that equal the exact amount without denomination devaluation.

This is more libertarian nonsense. Why silver? Why not water? Or shit? Or wood? Or sperm? Seriously, limiting your economy like that is madness.

That, with the ridding of interest bearing loans as public debt. That would prevent the banks from making a profit. Holding houses are the solution and money should be thr solution of an exchange of goods, not a deterrence due to the banks control over it.

I simply don't accept these reactionary solutions. It's extremely regressive.

As for the price fix system, I agree. It's largely based on Gold idolatry.

No, it isn't. You clearly have no idea what the price system is.

What do you think of a barter economy in a modern society?

Archaic lunacy. It's actually even worse than what we have now. We need to work towards a post-scarcity economy, and in order to achieve that we eventually have to dismantle the price system.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It might be regressive to you, but the constitution gives no right for conngress to lend out the fiscal and monetary policies to private corporations.

Indepedent treasuries are needed, as well as holding houses. This will decapitate usurers and speculation.

The banks create artificial scarcity. So, I agree with you in that dismantling the price system might work for the welfare of all.

central banks are good.

No, not when they are private and issue interest bearing loans.

The government through independent treasuries, under the auspices of congress has a right to issue their own currency debt free under the constitution. They refuse to!

Great Depression was caused by lots of small private banks going bust. If the US didn't have a central bank the Great Recession would have been much worse.

Boom and Bust cycles are built into a system that issues interest bearing loans. What the Catholic Church dissaproved of was this: The disapproval of money interest on money lent. Which is the system we currently live under. All the money you have is owed to someone by someone.

So, then I would say this... that money should have no value in itself. Rather, it should be issued solely as a claim on goods and services.

Technocrats' have us believe that their objection to a capitalist system is that its price system is based not on wealth, such as labor, public welfare, and doing good unto others, but debt.

So, I must agree here with you that a price system arises through the creation of debt. Radical "individualism, as contended by Howard Scott in the "Living Age" 1932, "is therefore favored under this system, since individualism can obtain a monetary equivalent proportional to then individuals ability (and opportunity?) to create debt!"

So, they thus object to the unit of measurement being a variable one.

Any unit of measurment under technological control owuld be certification of available energy converted ... into use-forms and services over and above the operational and maintenance of physical equipment and structures of the area.

Technocrats have yet to delineate their unit for energy conversion.

Maybe, their prospect would create some system without the hindrance of debt and sociological aspects. I don't know.

The negate, however, then source of man's power, which is ultimately spiritual.

As for income, its equal or more equal distribution, would still create a large unpurchasable surplus. This bankruptcy of producers would increase and savings of the lower class would be invested as any capitalist would do.

It isn't a price-system or that it is a proft-system, as the communists like to contend, that an objection is made here. Rather the ENTIRE SYSTEM is based and motivated by usury.

For Rome and Caesar, it was usury that broke the camel's back. All oeoples were is desperate competition for wealth, of which money is of no wealth. This ended up vested in a small subgroup of parasites. "Wealth" accumulators.

Ceasar would capture gold and silver in large quantities, they were direct in their prospect but when this could not uphold the debt-structure, as a proportion of debt, the money depreciated. Lead was thus put into the coins. Slaves were used to find some silver shackled in the caves, this went on until the money became valueless.

The only temporary way to salvage the money system under their rules is finding hoards of Gold or the devaluation of all currencies.

Ceasar finally adopted debt forgiveness! This was great but usury was still in operation and new forms of debt servitude at interest were performed by Goths, Vandals, and Huns.

Napoleon and Hitler both have many things in common. Both stood against the usurers of Europe.

Had Napoleon consented to abandon his financial system in place of the system of London-that is in favor of loans by the money market-he could have had peace at any time.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Central banks are good?

Okay.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, are you conferring that we keep a private corporatized central bank backed by the same people to be used to issue bank notes at interest?

Tell me exactly what you would do to issue a medium of exchange that would work for the people.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Debt creation should be nationalized and initiated at zero interest. Lincoln wanted to do this right before he was killed. It's why Bismarck called Lincoln's death a tragedy for the West. Germany always had a tradition of wanting to nationalize finance, which is why they were demonized by international Jewry and the Anglosphere.

Sure, so why not kick out dual-Israelis, Zionists and usuers and issue treasury notes, at zero % interest backed by an asset of our choosing?

The state is the mafia for the bank. Congress is just a corporation full of criminals who allowed a private corporation to take over the fiscal policy of the state, which interestingly, is itself a corporation.

It should also be noted that Banks don't give loans. I always thought they did. Next to no one does. They can't show you a bank account where they got their own money and put it in your bank account. What they do is take your promissory note, magically transform that into credit and put that in your account. That is NOT a loan.

They gave you access to your own credit using that note and your SSN. And since they never told you that you were funding your own loan, its also fraud but they don't care. Any contract that doesn't divulge every single detail is null and void on the face of it.

These banks have no skin in the game. They have no risk. But if you default on these fake loans, they'll either take your very real house or harm your credit and the state and confress allows them to do this.

Are you claiming the US should nationalize debt and then persons who had debt must pay back the principal to the state anyway? Or are we talking about a Jubilee here?

Lincoln wanted to do this right before he was killed. It's why Bismarck called Lincoln's death a tragedy for the West. Germany always had a tradition of wanting to nationalize finance, which is why they were demonized by international Jewry and the Anglosphere.

Provide evidence that Lincoln wanted to do this? His greenbacks were interesting bearing bonds and were the forerunner for the FED.

Can you provide a quote of Bismarck on Lincoln's death?

And yes, I slightly agree that NS Germany was against, at the very end international finance. They expelled Rothschild banks and took their assets. But Warburg was in the mix as were many other bankers that funded Hitler, the difference was that regulations were held in place and privatization of certain banks still were regulated and had to make an alliance with the Reich.

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Part 1

The Bank Charter Act, Jonathan Duncan. CHAPTER VII:

"Thus the English are still paying interest on the gunpowder exploded in the wars of Marlborough, though the principal sum, representing its original cost, has been discharged over and over again.  Thus usury confers immortality on debt, and every child born after the contraction of the debt is reared in the cradle of fiscal bondage.  Thus monied classes are perpetuated by usury, as landed classes are perpetuated by primogeniture.  These two laws are the parents of political privileges, and privilege necessarily demands exclusion as the condition of its own existence.  The two forms of wealth, landed and monied, unite on behalf of privilege, and their alliance puts down and keeps down all the rest of the community who have neither acres nor gold.  The legislation of Peel and Loyd has riveted the fetters of this form of servitude."

http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/duncan/charter_index.html

How do we prevent this amalgamation of the landed and monied?

Why when the credit of a false system collapses does the state impose the 'sacrifice quota'?

We are told by usurious bankers, the reductio ad absurdums of economists, industrialists and political lackeys of the money power that over-production of commodities is the reason for the burdens endured or that innocent, hard-working people lose their livelihood and even life itself because they had worked too hard.

That a people produced a surplus, and yet children were homeless and people were thirsty and starving.

Industrialists, taking orders from the money power, told their debtors that they must destroy their "surplus", when it itself was more than enough to feed, cloth and house every homeless and starving person in the US. A nation of plenty that artificially succumbs to boom-and-bust cycles where businesses in order to not go bankrupt destroy their perfectly good produce to raise prices to stay afloat.

Harvey, James. Paper Money. http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/harvey/harv_dex.html :

The Church of England denounces usury, classing it with the most odious of vices.  For in the Canon 109 the following occurs: 

"If any offend their brethren either by adultery, whoredom, incest, or drunkenness, or by swearing, ribaldry, or USURY, or any other uncleanness, the churchwarden shall present them, that they shall be punished, and not admitted to the Holy Communion." 

This is little attended to by men in holy orders, and no class is more ready to invest in foreign loans, tempted by high and usurious interest, than the curates and vicars and rectors of the Church of England.  Their names frequently occur in lists of bank shareholders, and of investors in insurance companies.  Who ever heard a sermon holding forth usury as a sin ?  Are they not too ready to pay court to the richer members of their congregations, without any reference to the equivocal modes in which those riches are acquired ?  Nor can dissenting ministers be acquitted of passing over the crying sin of the age in silence, though well aware that "the chief places in the synagogue" are chiefly held by men indulging in these iniquitous transactions.

The greatest usurers in the Middle Ages were the Jews, whose extortionate claims were the principal cause of the popular hatred which too often found vent in massacres and persecutions;  and these not discouraged by kings, emperors, and princes, embarrassed by the demands of their unscrupulous creditors. 

Today, and yesterday, throughout antiquity, what was allowed by Talmudism, and Judaism and those Kings agents to the money power is still held as a virtue today.

Yeshua said unto his brothers:

Forgive them their debts.

Christendom proclaims an anti-Usury stance, but except for the early theology of the Catholic Church, which sought to follow these principals, despite venerating Christ in a grossly, levitical like hierarchy of pompousness and grand display, has now succumb to the vipers of manufactured debt. They have sworn their allegiance or turned the other eye from this great sin enriching themselves in the process. A curious fact can be observed through research that the reformation, specifically the Calvinist sect was largely controlled by merchants and usurers themselves.

It can be then said, here, in the west, that the only real goal of the machinations of the money power is to have the state never pay back this debt. For more debt equals more promissory notes stolen and issued at interest, which then equals more debt, ad infinitum.

The politicians and media then cater to this game theory, providing the public with feel good stories of an indebted but "prosperous" and dilettante citizenry.

National Bankers’ Circular.

“ Dear Sir:—

“ It is advisable to do all in your power to sustain such daily and weekly newspapers, especially the agricultural and religious press, as will oppose the issuing of greenback paper money, and that you also withhold patronage or favors from all who will not oppose the government-issue of money.  Let the government issue the coin, and the banks issue the paper money of the country;  for then we can better protect each other.  To repeal the law creating national banks, or to restore to circulation the government-issue of money, will be to provide the people with money, and will, therefore, seriously affect your individual profit as bankers and lenders.  See your Member of Congress at once, and engage him to support our interest that we may control legislation.”

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Part 2

But according to the truth, many Greenbackers were all for the central bank concept backed by permanent public debt.

According to Yamaguchy and public records freely available:

[In 1862 greenbacker John Sherman advocated for an hour in favour of the legal-tender clause, then voted for it; and voted for the legal tender bill as well. Unlike Sarah Emery, or any of the future Greenback Party members, Senator Sherman was in the position to say and act nay or yea; without John Sherman's vocal support and vote, the legal-tender clause would not have passed.]

An ever-increasing public debt interwoven in every facet of social life, and this to, as Clement Laird Vallandigham states:

...subjugate the States and the people perpetually to the Federal Government, and therefore never to be extinguished ? 

The true policy of the money-power and the radical republicans of whom many just so happened to be greenbackers was to centralize the government over state rights to be used as a strongman for their cause.

Lincoln states in His Second Annual Message on December 1, 1862:

Applications have been made to me by many free Americans of African descent to favor their emigration, with a view to such colonization as was contemplated in recent acts of Congress. 

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The vast amount of money daily loaned on call in Wall street, at a high rate of interest, shows how the currency of the country is being used.  So long as the national Government takes no steps toward redeeming its own paper, so long will there be nothing to call the notes of the country banks back home;  so long will there be no healthy and equal circulation of the currency. If $200,000,000 more currency were now issued.  I do not doubt that within two months there would be the same want of money in the rural districts that now prevails.  The surplus would flow to the money centers, and the increased prices would make our condition worse than before.  It ought not to be forgotten that while the capitalist and speculator are able to take advantage of fluctuations in prices, the poor man has no such power.  The necessities of life he must buy day by day, whatever the price may be.  He offers for sale only his labor.  That he must sell each day, or it will be wholly lost.  He is absolutely at the mercy of the market.

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In this essay James Garfield takes on the monetary reformists and paper advocates;  and once again clearly states where he stands on the issue.  Of course, book-peddlers and their groupies never read this piece.  From Mr. Garfield's article we find out that quote fabrication did not start with 20th century book-peddlers, it was the bread and butter of the monetary reformists from the very beginning;  little did Garfield know --or could have imagined-- that soon as he died, he and a quote blamed on him, too, became part of the regurgitators' fodder, and James Garfield was presented to ignorant groupies as someone who opposed bankers and their system and for this reason was assassinated by them. [...] At that time silver was still in use in France, there were about $700million worth of legal tender silver coins among the people; in the U.S. Garfield participated in demonetizing silver because he wanted irredeemable bank paper. Eventually, the banking interests, whom Garfield represented throughout his military and political life, forced France --and the Latin union-- to abandon silver] [...] [In the 1860's] compound-interest notes were very large denominations, so they did not circulate, they sat in the vaults of banks and insurance companies, where they earned interest; National banks were required to keep 25% of their circulation in greenbacks in their vaults, which in this case was ~$45million; so that did not circulate, either; the 830million 7.30s which were just issued, to pay off the soldiers of the disbanding army, also did not do too many transactions before coming to rest in vaults and earn 7.3% interest.--- Yamaguchy

for the machinery of civil war speedily developed opportunities which enabled Congress to adopt a system of class legislation, the results of which have already placed insurmountable barriers between labor and monopolistic capital, and have built up social castes which can only thrive on monarchial soil.

Whatever may have been the object of our civil war is not necessary for us at this time to question, but its results are evident, for the most casual observer cannot fail to see that the democratic simplicity of our fathers has given way to an aristocracy of wealth on one hand and a most abject and degrading poverty on the other. The middle classes are rapidly losing foothold, the line of demarkation between aristocracy and serfdom is becoming more fixed, and a system of land tenantry has sprung up which bids fair to outrival that of the old world.

(Source: FINANCIAL CONSPIRACIES WHICH HAVE ENSLAVED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY MRS. SARAH E. van de Vort EMERY. : http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/emery/emery_index.html )

Up to the time of this treaty the German empire was on a silver basis, but, upon the payment of this enormous war indemnity, Bismarck, in the execution of his policy to cripple France as much as lay in his power, procured the passage of a law through the German parliament which provided for the demonetization of silver.

Not a fan here.

So, It is of no lie to say that Lincoln hd enemies, just as banking aristocracies are enemies of other banking aristocracies.

"I know of none which promises so certain results as the organization of banking associations.  To such associations the Government might furnish circulating notes, on the security of United States bonds deposited in the Treasury." ---December 1, 1862.

"it is hoped that very soon there will be in the United States no bank-note circulation not secured by the Government.  The national [currency bank] system will create a reliable and permanent influence in support of the national credit and protect the people against losses in the use of paper money." ---December 6, 1864.]

How's that going for us?

The faith of the United States, supported by taxation, is to be abandoned, and this paper money is to be floated in every commercial and business transaction of the country, by main force of law, and not voluntary credit because of the solvency of the United States, till a year or two hence the Secretary shall have stocks enough to enable him to execute his financial schemes and contrivances in full.  This, then, is the first step in the direction of his grand fiscal and monetary agent which is to maintain the credit of the Government and supply the sole paper currency of the country;" And now, sir, what, I beg to know, is the object of all this, if it be not to create an enormous and endless public debt, to be interwoven with every political, social, and business relation of life;  to subjugate the States and the people perpetually to the Federal Government, and therefore never to be extinguished ? As we know from future history, and as you have noticed it by 1874, Hooper &co. carryed out their plan and the predictions of Vallandigham became reality.

--- Yamaguchy; and research what happened to Vallandigham. What did the US government do? They expelled him for telling the truth.

And Yamaguchy continues here:

...radical reconstructionist[s], [...] wanted to reorganize the united States under the firm control of a central government in Washington ---greenbacks were one of the means to that end.

...following Wilson and Sherman, Senator Cowan spoke, and asked a question:

It has been said that this bill will relieve the people from the clutches of the bankers and brokers, &c., and that any one who opposes it, is of course friendly to and sustaining their interests.  I do not understand it, when I am told by all the advocates of this bill that all of these same people, almost without exception, are in favor of it.  I suppose they are the financiers --the great financiers of the country-- of whom we have heard so much, and to whose opinions we must all yield.  If so, they are more patriotic and magnanimous than they are reckoned to be, in thus devoting themselves to this scheme, which is to be the death of their interests.  It may be true, but the Jews may believe it for me."

Basically, many of the "greenbackers" were for the floating of 5/20 bonds AFTER the Treasury notes were depreciated by over-issue. This was the scheme.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Jesus you need to chunk your topics up more, post less frequently, and stop overwhelming the comment sections. Let other people respond to your posts. That will facilitate better discussion and debate.

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I agree that the main post is too long, but I like the bite-sized comments. ;-)

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Noted. Thanksz

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I say that because I am genuinely interested in some of the content you post and I want to see DAR users way in.

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The root of all the problems is BELIEF. Not creed, not tradition, not faith, but BELIEF.

What is belief? To believe is to hold something as "true" in the absence of sufficient personally-experienced, objective evidence to warrant said position. This is one way in which the Jews hijacked Christian religions: by putting the emphasis on "believing" rather than "finding the truth in your heart of hearts". Because FAITH is not "believing".

Believing means a suspension of the higher critical faculties. As such, any believer is mentally handicapped: he can be fooled and manipulated. THE WAY, "Jesus", can be found in the depths of one's heart, regardless of one's creed or any other element of behavior, tradition, etc.

There now exists a SCIENCE of belief-destruction, and of finding THE WAY through one's heart, where it is said that the "holy spirit" dwells. These are archaic terms for minds made of much more poetic stuff than the modern, and as such are of limited usefulness in describing the Cosmically recognized, Objective Reality of these phenomena.

Because "belief" is ignorance and the ability for the controllers of "information" and political powers and money to control the individual, only the absence of belief frees man from all these lies and allows him to find THE WAY, Jesus Christ, from within. Finding it from without is a fool's errand: there is way too much pollution of creed, absolutely false "facts", "information" (ie data), politics and media.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Believe is old norse Belyve, Lyve meaning to tell a lie. Believing means to accept a lie about something. It is the ultimate demoralization. Forcing someone to speak falsehoods despite knowing it is a lie.

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Question: Who owns the district FED banks? Who owns the FEDERAL RESERVE? Who initiated permanent public debt? The latter answer, to the question, is: Warburg, Loeb, Kuhn, Schiff, Rothschild and co., through Belmont (pseudonym), Hamilton (Levine), Guggenheim, Lehman, and Seligman. All of these persons are Jewish.

But we cannot point that out because antisemitism or something like that.

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Why did none of the Zionist Jews involved in 9/11 and I can name hundreds go to jail for 9/11? They controled security, managerial, planning, judicial, through Hellerstein and Spitzer; cover-up, investigation, and so much more.

If this is the case and it is, then that would mean that Zionists, mostly Jews, and their shabbos money hungry goys rule the US.

Seriously, they are a royalty. One can go back and look into Zakheims, family history or Kristols or the Kagens. They are all from the east, moved to the west and under nepotism created their mafia.

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I understand not all Jews are involved but when their "Holy" books tell us how they feel about the "goyim" and how they allowed to be usurers unto the "goyim" then what does this tell us?

It tells us that many Jews, even atheistical Jews, for reasons unknown, will follow these texts. It is their choice, and they choose parasitism.

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But someone will tell me don't bring race into all of this. Jews are not a race. Christians need to stop being subverted so easily by Talmudics and ZioCons. Stop believing that noahide Freemason protestant preacher that gets on his million dollar plane to fly to Israel every month.

It is so easy for Christianity to be subverted when Christianity becomes a place—Christendom. It then ceases to follow "The Way", whoch Yeshua preached.

He told the Phariseesand scribes (modern rabbinical Jews of today) that their father was a murderer from the beginning. The real Jews followed Christ. They renounced their zealotry, Jewishness, for a kingdom of spirit.

Name me a Jew that follows Christ but renounces Israelism, ethnocracy, and Zionism? You can't!

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Yes, people need to know this, but it's difficult to get people to realize how terrible a situation this all is. I am an economist of some renown, and it took me about a decade to educate my wife enough that she now sees how much and truly the filthy parasites are destroying the world, civilization and mankind.

Sure, we didn't talk about this full time, far from it, but at first she was shocked by my "racism", then "antisemitism", then "conspiracy theories", then "irrational thinking on economics that nobody else adopt", and so on, and so forth. And she is a smart woman, she just never questioned things before me. Just imagine joe average who believes everything the tube tells them.

[–]DisgustResponse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't understand fixation on the deficit/debt. The US government going bankrupt is a good thing.

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The debt isn't the government's. It is THE PEOPLE who are indebted.