Genetic distance between European populations (fixation index)

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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anything like this that includes UK and Ireland?

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    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Spaniards and Italians are not white confirmed

    Whatever the verdict, theyre still closer to NW euros than anyone farther out than them

    Fins aren't white

    They're phenotypically about the same even if their ancestral origins are more genetically diverse

    [–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Hmm, this chart is a bit misleading.

    We've all got the same kind of ancestry, barring the Finn's. Just in different amounts.

    It's basically :

    Mesolithic WHG

    Neolithic Turkish

    Bronze age Steppes.

    If you saw a comparison between these European samples and global samples you'd see the difference between European groups is pretty small.

    The simplified wiki version.

    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:9_Cluster_Tree.png

    This chart is likely just reflecting the slight variations in the amount of each, in each group, plus a slight amount of drift.

    [–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Mesolithic WHG

    Proto-Europeans. They belong to Haplogroup I2 (and also to I1).

    Neolithic Turkish

    Anatolians. They belong to Haplogroup G2 (which is extinct in Europe) and to Haplogroup E1.

    Bronze age Steppes.

    Indo-Europeans. They belong to Haplogroup R1.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Whatever the verdict, theyre still closer to NW euros than anyone farther out than them

    I'm curious who would be more genetically distant to NW euros, someone who is 75% Germanic and 25% non-white or a southern Italian compared to a NW euro, such as a Swede. Or rather where the cutoff is depending on what kind of non-white.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    someone who is 75% Germanic and 25% non-white or a southern Italian compared to a NW euro, such as a Swede.

    I expect the former would almost definitely be more genetically distant but I don't know for sure

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That chart identifies a smaller sub group of Finns from kuusamo.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Most of the residents of Kuusamo are probably Sami so the results makes sense

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuusamo#Sami_settlement

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Spaniards are. North Italians are not that distant. South Italians are very different though

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    North Italians are not that distant. South Italians are very different though

    That doesn't make sense. There is little difference between South and Northern Italy so how can Northern Italians be "not that distant" but Southern Italians be "very different"?

    [–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Its more complicated than that. There was no single, monolithic group of 'whites.' There were instead several different groups with their own distinct origins, that each settled Europe at different time periods. This is a very complicated subject, but to make it as simple as possible, you can check out this map and use it as a reference guide. It shows the different Haplogroups of people currently inhabiting Europe.

     

    N1 are ancient hunter gatherers. They were the first to settle Europe, about 37,000 years ago.

    I2 (and also I1) are Proto-Europeans. They settled Europe about 15,000 years ago.

    G2 and E1 are ancient farmers. They setled Europe about 9-8000 years ago.

    R1 are Indo-Europeans. They settled Europe about 5000 years ago.

     

    Haplogroup N1 is only prevalent in Finland and Estonia.

    Haplogroup E1 is only prevalent in Greece and North Africa, while Haplogroup G2 is extinct.

    [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    These groups were still at least distantly related to each other, and they were definitely Caucasoid

    [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Spaniards and Italians are not white confirmed.

    Please tell me you're joking.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Largely predictable results. I'm.actually surprised how closely slavs came to north western euros. Where is this from?

    [–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    I'm.actually surprised how closely slavs came to north western euros.

    Indeed. It makes Germanys decision to wage a race war against the Russians look like a rather stupid choice in retrospect.

    But then again, the Germans were blinded by their long and violent history with the Slavs. They were not able to look at the racial aspect in an objective manner.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    It makes Germanys decision to wage a race war against the Russians look like a rather stupid choice in retrospect.

    Never happened. Slavs were never considered subhuman nor was there extermination policies towards them. Slavs weren't even restricted from marrying Germans in the Nuremberg race laws because they were considered apart of the Ayran race.

    The only thing that is true is that the overall gene pool of Eastern Europe was was considered lower than that of Northern Europe.

    [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Never happened. Slavs were never considered subhuman nor was there extermination policies towards them.

    That isn't entirely true, though. Germany decided to wage a war of annihilation against the Russians. They tried to starve Leningrad into submission in what could arguably be a case of genocide. The Germans also implemented the hunger plan and hoarded food for their troops, which led to famines in the occupied portions of the USSR. (Although these were not as bad as the famines in the unoccupied portions of the USSR)

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They tried to starve Leningrad into submission in what could arguably be a case of genocide. The Germans also implemented the hunger plan and hoarded food for their troops, which led to famines in the occupied portions of the USSR. (Although these were not as bad as the famines in the unoccupied portions of the USSR)

    This is all standard policies that waring armies have engaged in throughout history. Why don't we declare every siege and blockage throughout history a genocide?

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Got it from r/Europe

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/l3yvyt/genetic_distance_between_european_populations/

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Italians are quite different from most Europeans.

    Surprised at how close slavs are to Germanics like Swedes and Germans. Germans seem to be the se people more or less.

    Hungary is very similar to austria and Czechs