Massive fertility collapse in developed countries in the last 10 years

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High iq people are committing voluntary genocide. The earth will be inherited by 67 IQ somalians at this rate

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[–]Nombre27 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Snarky bluecheck correction: since the average IQ of a population is set at 100, if we were to lose the entire population above an IQ of 100, the average IQ would remain the same. In fact, those 67 IQ Somalians you've denigrated would now become upstanding citizens with an IQ of 90. Checkmate HBDers!

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

How will reality ever recover?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

High iq people are committing voluntary genocide. The earth will be inherited by 67 IQ somalians at this rate

So wouldn't this mean Jews lose all their power in the end? Isn't that a good thing?

Though I find the IQ worship goes too far sometimes. Every human being is different, and assigning a number to them is shallow. 80 IQ Billy could save my life from a house fire whereas 140 IQ Jim is too busy playing dungeons and dragons.

[–]sylla94 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

yeah, come on you guys! we simply can't be making sweeping generalizations about people based off of their respective demographic distributions. don't you know that we're all individuals and deserve to be treated as such? we're talking about HUMAN LIVES here, not some points on a bell curve for fricks sake!!

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

yeah, come on you guys! we simply can't be making sweeping generalizations about people based off of their respective demographic distributions. don't you know that we're all individuals and deserve to be treated as such? we're talking about HUMAN LIVES here, not some points on a bell curve for fricks sake!!

I'm not a fan of absolute collectivization. See life under the Soviet Union or even modern day China when they treat everything with a broad brush, and how much people it killed.

Edit: And these same nations too happen to be run by an Elite Circle who dictate the lives of the "lesser" populations. Yeah, even more reasons to distrust the bell curve.

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

and I'm not a fan of those who disingenuously ignore the rule of averages in favour of exceptions. no one goes around (ourselves included) thinking that anyone is always going to be the exact same as their demographic mean would suggest, but we understand that it's substantially more probable

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Don't get me wrong, I believe in averages too. I just disagree that as a tool, it's not always important or that the exceptions more than make up the rule.

Going back to the IQ example, smarter people will no doubt be attracted to more complex activities. I don't deny that. But it equally doesn't affect me either, because I meet enough average or below average people in real life who also share in those practices too. That's the overlap and noise I'm referring to, instead of some perfect social stratification where smart people only act a certain way and dumb people act in another.

[–]sylla94 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it is always important when you're talking about populations beyond a solitary individual (which is what was being es especially so as the sample pool increases and incontrovertibly so when it's on a massive scale i.e civilizations, nations and the world

that was the original discussion anyway

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not quite sure I can agree on that. Civilizations in particular go back hundreds of years, and they're always changing. What is true today, might not have always been true in the past or in the future going forward. And that's before touching upon a myriad of other factors like access to natural resources, the role of the environment, or the fact they may have even just been thrown into civil war and completely changing the social landscape. Once again, you will still find statistical noise and overlaps, even when comparing different nations and their populations, but we wont actually get a perfect picture because of the other factors I talked about.

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

why can't we make observations about particular demographic over-representations within the tyrannical elites in the same way we might make ones about IQ or violence

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You can. I look at China's Communist Party Membership and clearly see a lot of Chinese people. I look at Israel's government and see it's mostly Israelis.

The real danger comes in assigning labels to ordinary people who aren't actually caught up in these activities. For example, I don't think most Chinese Canadians actually support the CCP, since protests are split between pro Hong Kong and anti. Nothing in their genes says they have to support tyranny by default.

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For example, I don't think most Chinese Canadians actually support the CCP, since protests are split between pro Hong Kong and anti.

I wouldn't know, but I can guarantee you that the typical "chinese-canadian" is far more likely to be either pro hong kong or pro ccp than the typical canadian is :)

Either way, I wouldn't care! They've got to go back regardless.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You are a complete liberal. Go read huffpo

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Foremost, IQ isn't about individuals, it's about populations.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well I've heard this argument before and IQ still doesn't come across as reliable in all circumstances. There's too much statistical noise and overlap across all IQ levels that one person being a genius doesn't mean every stupid person is always going to be incompetent. In a lot of ways, I've even seen the opposite. Look at some historical world leaders and yet they still manage to screw up at their jobs. I'm not going to revere them just because they're smarter than me. They wouldn't hesitate to send me to go die in some foreign war like George Bush or Obama did.

Edit: And with populations, even the nations who are third world or are struggling are still finding ways to get better over time. Free will and determination plays a bigger role than what gene says.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blah blah blah blah blah blah environmental deterministic bullshit blah blah blah.

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    [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not for these discussions as citing IQ examples of individuals amounts to anecdotal evidence, i.e. exceptions and not the "rule".

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    White people are not in control of their own countries. If we were we wouldn't need non racial arguments like 'iq' to keep non whites out of our homelands. IQ is brought up as a defensive rhetorical tool. The Han Chinese don't use IQ arguments to keep Somalis, Guatemalans, and Palestinians out of china. They just keep them out.

    Every time you hear a right wing person bring up IQ just know that they are politely asking not to be bred out of existence by oligarchs that hate them.

    You present a strawman. You assume that all 140 IQ people are like Jim playing video games. Jim is playing video games because of cultural subversion. Jim would have been bred out or starved out or used more appropriately in a culture controlled by pro white eugenicists. Eugenics isn't about improving IQ. It's about improving ALL aspects of the breed. IQ is only one narrow human quality.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    White people are not in control of their own countries. If we were we wouldn't need non racial arguments like 'iq' to keep non whites out of our homelands. IQ is brought up as a defensive rhetorical tool. The Han Chinese don't use IQ arguments to keep Somalis, Guatemalans, and Palestinians out of china. They just keep them out.

    There are plenty of White countries right now that don't even have much or any of those people. Iceland, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, Poland. You wont find the IQ argument in immigration because so many other factors have already eliminated it. For example, I brought up Canada in another thread for having strict rules of becoming a citizen. For the most part, you need a university degree or some kind of indemand job to gain entry. But that type of [high IQ] requirement doesn't stop non-whites from the third world from coming over, even if they are in effect selecting for a higher caste. In the USA, illegal immigrants are a problem yet we don't hear about IQ as much because the country uses them to their benefit like doing back breaking farm labor.

    Every time you hear a right wing person bring up IQ just know that they are politely asking not to be bred out of existence by oligarchs that hate them. You present a strawman. You assume that all 140 IQ people are like Jim playing video games. Jim is playing video games because of cultural subversion. Jim would have been bred out or starved out or used more appropriately in a culture controlled by pro white eugenicists. Eugenics isn't about improving IQ. It's about improving ALL aspects of the breed. IQ is only one narrow human quality.

    If a high IQ person can be subverted then I'm not sure why I should consider them special. That's a defining reason why this stuff ends up being useless. They're still flawed individuals who can cause more harm than good. The best example of this is Academia. I wouldn't be surprised if every College/University Professor are of genius stock. But these same people almost always lean Liberal, and teach there is no biological reason for race, and that they themselves don't even think IQ matters either. Very rarely are there any exceptions so it means the genius consensus is "IQ doesn't matter". But I know plenty of people who might on record be dumber than me, but I don't want to see them disappear. Because they rather enjoy life or be good friends with me, as opposed to viewing life through a magnifying glass.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If a high IQ person can be subverted then I'm not sure why I should consider them special.

    Nobody is really asking you to consider high IQ people special. The alt right is not arguing high IQ people are special. Please learn what are actual positions are.

    We are simply arguing that white people of all IQs are special (save the ones that hate themselves and want to end the breed).

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well I do think White people are special, and that applies to even the self hating ones. It's important to consider everyone is born under different circumstances that they themselves never chose. Any other event in their life could have influenced which path they decided to take, instead of it being hardwired in them.

    [–]Bagarmoossen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    South Korea is at 0.84, while equally crowded Israel is at 3.00. Proves us having an ethnostate is not sustainable in the long run in a materialistic society. There is a need for hardcore traditionalism and religious zeal.

    Will be sad to see Korean society unravel in the coming decades. Extreme feminism is already rampant there and so is race mixing and multikulti propaganda.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Proves us having an ethnostate is not sustainable

    Israel is the ultimate ethnostate. An ethnostate is simply not being 95% one ethnicity, its a state that's explicitly dedicated to the prosperity and survival of the group. Where the regime aggressively pursues the interests of the dominant group.

    [–]Bagarmoossen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, but the high fertility rate in Israel is linked to ultra orthodox jews who have 7 children per family and also traditionalists who have 4+. Without these groups, Israeli Jews would already be at risk of being outbred by Arabs.

    [–]Sonofzeus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Getting tricked into Terminating your legacy and namesake in order to preserve your finances to spend on various modern luxuries that THEY market to us seems like low IQ behavior.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Look at Hungary's birth rate.

    [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ethnic nationalism or population collapse are the only options.