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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It's funny how often I hear these arguments but then am forced to reflect on the fact that most of our racial problems -- and all the others as well -- we encounter seem to correlate with the decline of Christianity in the West. Not always and not in all places but for the most part as our civilization has lost the spiritual Christian foundation upon which, among other things, it used to rest so to have all of our problems been increased dramatically. I mean even outside of the mere racial issue do you think relations between the sexes were better or worse when we were a confident Christian civilization?

As for migration again though often people appeal to Christian charity in a rather malicious way to justify mass immigration, multi culturalism etc but why is it that previously when our societies were nearly entirely Christian did these appeals in the past always not work on the scale we see them working today if it is Christianity itself that is the problem for the White man? (There's obviously exceptions to this like Hugenouts but generally I think it's not been a pattern in Christian countries for them to just open their nations to foreign people.) Why is it that if Christianity is itself a massive cause of our problems because of its own nature do we find the most degeneracy and the most racial threat for White people in countries where Christianity is a dying and a laughed at relic from the past that people would like to spit at, jeer at and generally hope it will just die?

Explain Poland if Christianity itself is the cause of our problems.

It's long been my opinion that Christianity has become more like the world not the other way round which is its major flaw now. I do agree with Pierce's criticisms here in many ways and I'm not in this movement to preach Christianity I'm in it for the White race which is why I usually don't get into these arguments because they can be so heated and counterproductive that it's mostly not worth it.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Is Christ the reason for those previous successes? Or was it the race? Is Poland successful because it's homogeneous and ethnocentric or because they worship a scorned rabbi?

Christians historically if you go all the way back wreaked havoc on Europe on a larger scale than Bolshevism did in recent history. It killed millions of Europeans and destroyed all of its heritage. The last 500 years of success for the west if anything has coincided with the decline of Christianity's relevance in state affairs. The decline has coincided with the rebirth of Christian values in Bolshevism and the Moral Majority.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Is Christ the reason for those previous successes? Or was it the race? Is Poland successful because it's homogeneous and ethnocentric or because they worship a scorned rabbi?

Well these are the important questions but I don't see how you can look at a society in which Christianity was the dominant spiritual and religious force and then completely divorce what happens in that society from its most potent well spring of morals and ideas. Race plays a massive role obviously but again my point is that when these societies were profoundly Christian in a way that most people couldn't even imagine today they were successful and largely mono-ethnic/racial and that the decline of that homogeneity correlates quite well with the decline of religiosity which lends itself to the conclusion that it isn't Christianity that gave us what we see to today it's LACK of Christianity.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Race plays a massive role obviously but again my point is that when these societies were profoundly Christian in a way that most people couldn't even imagine today they were successful and largely mono-ethnic/racial and that the decline of that homogeneity correlates quite well with the decline of religiosity which lends itself to the conclusion that it isn't Christianity that gave us what we see to today it's LACK of Christianity.

Explain why the same didn't happen with Ethiopia, the first kingdom to adopt Christianity

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because there's no White people there.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But they fully embraced Christ for millennia. Surely that would've had some positive effect? Which was better, Pagan Rome or Christian Ethiopia

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand the question? Better for whom?

You keep complaining about how Christianity killed millions of Europeans in other posts. Rome conquered and massacred as many Europeans as it could and 'civilized' them by ridding them of their own ethnic/tribal culture and replacing it with theirs just as you claim it was wicked for the Christian world to have done.

(BTW I don't agree with that impulse which I consider fundamentally semitic to endlessly kvetch about how this or that killed people. All ideas and all empires want to become dominant it's how they work.)

So by your own logic -- not mine -- shouldn't you be denouncing the Romans?

Also I think you're confusing me with someone who doesn't think race is a thing or significant which couldn't be further from the truth.

Truth be told I know very little about the history of Ethiopia so I'm not the person to ask about it.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The last 500 years of success for the west if anything has coincided with the decline of Christianity's relevance in state affairs.

I'd argue that the forces that filled that vacuum were the plutocrat, the demagogue and the Jew.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Recently stumbled on this book. Are you familiar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkening_Age

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Haven't seen that before, seems interesting. Even more interesting that academia suddenly starts defending Christians when the topic comes to early Christians in the Roman Empire.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even more interesting that academia suddenly starts defending Christians when the topic comes to early Christians in the Roman Empire.

Why do you think that is? First thing to my mind is them framing it as oppressed (Christians) and oppressor (Rome).

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's that and also the ethnic dimension of Christians being largely composed of slave class people and a good portion being Jews and I think even Ethiopians. The modern paradigm would support the triumph of that sort of ancient rainbow alliance against the evil oppressive white pagan patricians. They would only oppose later Christians for going against their religion and early history and becoming nationalists and imperialists.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Last book I saw on that topic was from a feminist Christian scholar out of Notre Dame debunking the 'myth' of Christian persecution in the early period. The book was trash of course.

In my lifetime there seems to be a strong trend in academia towards highlighting anything anti-Christian as often as possible.

Where are these recent books defending Christians in the early Roman Empire?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was referring to the criticism of the above mentioned book specifically, not really familiar with the scholarship on the matter overall

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yep, the only value in churches is simply community which would more ideally be filled by having a racialist community. There isn't a single Christian institution that would reciprocate support to racialists, I'm not even sure there are any that would tolerate racialists in them. I imagine if Richard Spencer was 'doxxed' as a churchgoer his church wouldn't think twice before kicking him out.

It's a very similar dynamic to unions, they won't stand by you if you're a white person with Race so they don't deserve your support.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I imagine if Richard Spencer was 'doxxed' as a churchgoer his church wouldn't think twice before kicking him out.

Back when Matt Heimbach was racist he got expelled for it by the "based" Orthodox Church

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly lmao, all Christian institutions are a joke. The truth of the doctrine and shit is completely irrelevant when in material reality these institutions are all conscious enemies of our race.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A Christian friend of mine saw this on Telegram and said it's the only convincing pro Pagan argument he's ever read, thought it might be interesting to repost it here

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It always bugged me that a Middle Eastern religion came to dominate a completely unrelated continent. Imagine if the national religion of Japan was Voodoo, and they built statues of African Shamans who never even step foot on the islands? Makes you wonder what European Churches could have looked like instead of being modeled after Jerusalem. They could have been the Church of Thor or Temple of Zeus.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine if the national religion of Japan was Voodoo, and they built statues of African Shamans who never even step foot on the islands?

The funny thing is that Japan was dominated by a foreign religion (Buddhism), and it arguably weakened them with the mandatory vegetarianism and such. It was only with the Meiji restoration that meat was relegalized and Shinto took precedence over Buddhism again. Buddha was the Christ of the East in a lot of ways. Despite that they managed to resist Christianity, their hostility towards foreigners was a reaction to the barbarity of the Christian missionaries who they initially tolerated before executing them for their deeds.

Makes you wonder what European Churches could have looked like instead of being modeled after Jerusalem. They could have been the Church of Thor or Temple of Zeus.

There are still intact remains of the latter, not as much with germanic and nordic paganism though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_at_Uppsala

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Zeus,_Olympia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Olympian_Zeus,_Athens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Olympian_Zeus,_Agrigento

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Christianity is not a middle eastern religion. It's an ancient levantian religion and white people occupied the levant at the time.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would White people be in the Middle East? And how did they get forced out if they always lived there?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't say they always lived there. There are white genetic markers all over the world. Northern India, China, Japan. Whites were in North America as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

There's also evidence that humans were larger, more advanced and more intelligent pre flood.

Also again the Levant is not the middle east. The levant use to be part of the Mediterranean empire (southern Europe, Northern africa, and levant) dominated by several different empires.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say they always lived there. There are white genetic markers all over the world. Northern India, China, Japan. Whites were in North America as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis There's also evidence that humans were larger, more advanced and more intelligent pre flood.

Your link talks about Humans from 17,000 years ago. That's far older than when the Bible was written.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    For stuff like Christmas, sure. But everything about the New Testament, from where it took place to the people who wrote it, they were Jews. The only real European reference in the Bible is when the Romans were in control of Judea. But they weren't portrayed as heroes (i.e literally executing Jesus Christ).

    [–]weaselWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Christianity is without a doubt the worst thing to ever to happen to Europeans. If you’re still a christian you need to get your head straight and actually crack open a fucking bible.

    [–]president_camacho 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Christianity was a galvanizing force that enabled Europe to resist Islam, and for a time to resist the materialistic scheming of Jews. You can game alternative history to death but there's no way to know how things would have played out if not for it, but up until a few decades ago things played out pretty damn well for Europeans after adopting Christianity. It's only as we lost our Christian identity that things started really going to shit. It may not be a direct cause and effect, but I doubt its a total coincidence.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    up until a few decades ago things played out pretty damn well for Europeans after adopting Christianity

    Are you forgetting how thousands of years of heritage and knowledge were destroyed and millions of people were killed? Not to mention how huge portions of Europe were conquered by the Muslims with no real collective effort on the part of Christendom to change that for centuries of Islamic rule. Christianization was a dysgenic process that weakened Europe severely

    [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Forget where it was, but I saw a comment to the effect of "Communism is Christianity for atheists".

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      [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's the one, thanks for tracking it down.