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[–]antireddit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've gone down this road with him before. If anyone is ever confused about what pilpul is, just cut and paste any debate you've had with him and use it as an example.

He's at least semi polite and not spitting venom and making threats like the average shitlib on reddit, but beneath his polite and reasonable veneer lies a rigid, creepily amoral neocon worldview. It's like having a debate with Bill Kristol.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

I don't know if he's actually a shill, and I don't really like posts targeting people to that effect - but we have a lot of whites in our countries who will cling to these ideas. They will come up with so many excuses and reasons to justify the status quo hust to not face the reality - no matter what evidence is presented. I think of it as practice

I'm thankful people come to debate us here at all. That's more than can be said for 95% of so-called "radical centrists" out there

[–]antireddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Oh he's not just your typical shitlib NPC. He definitely has some vested interest in shilling for the neoliberal establishment. A lot of his debating seems performative to me. There's a detached going through the motions rigidness that makes me suspicious. Like he's some kind of a paid ADL monitor/intelligence gatherer, academic, journalist, or self anointed alt right researcher.

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    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Have to say, replying to a troll like that more than a couple times quickly becomes a net negative.

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      [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Good that you drew it out, but at some point it's time to stop tasting that turd in the punchbowl just to be sure.

      I had forgotten this sub isn't on s/all, so now will be checking in to keep up. Cheers.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Don't take it too personally. I've said since the beginning I'm a contrarian and I'm deliberately looking for opposing viewpoints. It doesn't mean I'm anti-white, but closer to acting out devil's advocate.

      If there was a Far-Left equivalent, I would definitely argue against Communists or Socialists who thought everyone is 100% the same. All in all, life would be boring if we only existed on the extremes. There needs to a discussion that ties all these viewpoints together.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      just sort of letting things go and getting along with the neoliberal establishment.

      Agreed. If he is a shill this is clearly the angle he's being paid to push.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

      or self anointed alt right researcher.

      This is actually a good thing. Humanity should maintain a database on every political belief and filter through ideas that are considered essential for society, and ones that are detrimental. This knowledge would come very handy one day when Artificial Intelligence becomes powerful enough to start running society. We would finally have the perfect government and eliminate human suffering forever.

      [–]antireddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Ok now you're just trying to be a shit stirrer/smartass.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      We would finally have the perfect government and eliminate human suffering forever.

      Now I'm 100% confident you are a Jew.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Ask yourself this: who benefits from human suffering? That includes all the profiteering made from wars, or people dying from preventable diseases?

      If a flawed government is what allows the Elites to exploit human beings globally with no end in sight, how does a perfect government that eliminates profiting off these tragedies, suppose to benefit Jews?

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      The end goal of Jews isn't to profit from human suffering it's to subjugate non Jews to Jewish elite.

      Flawed governments are just one of many ways elites exploit humans.

      A perfect government that eliminates profiting off of tragedies can still be evil.

      You're using some weird circular reason.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Explain what this "evil" would look.

      Everyone having free healthcare would be bad because...?

      Nobody dying from gang violence or drugs would be bad because...?

      The end of all human wars and thus the military-complex with it is bad because...?

      We're also talking a government that is maintained through technology, and not humans. So it can't be Jewish unless Robots are now able to grow sideburns.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Everyone having free healthcare would be bad because...?

      There's a lot to un pack in the danger of american healthcare and why 'free' healthcare can be bad.

      Nobody dying from gang violence or drugs would be bad because...?

      As a right winger I believe violence and 'gang' violence is part of the human condition. Attempting to eliminate it entirely is Utopian and causes more harm than it attempts to prevent. The bulk of 'utopians' are really just hedonic, authoritarian tyrants that could give a shit about the health and wellbeing of the populace. This simply want power.

      The end of all human wars and thus the military-complex with it is bad because...?

      See the previous answer.

      We're also talking a government that is maintained by technology, and not humans.

      Tech has just as much potential (if not more) to make humans miserable. Read Uncle Ted.

      So it can't be Jewish unless Robots are now able to grow sideburns.

      Jews just see tech as a tool to carry out their control schemes. Nothing more.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      There's a lot to un pack in the danger of american healthcare and why 'free' healthcare can be bad.

      So you want more people to die of disease? I think the Covid pandemic exactly shows why this is a bad idea. The economy suffers, mental health suffers, infrastructure remains overloaded to the point of collapse. Having more healthy people presents more positive opportunities vs a sick population that only acts as a burden.

      As a right winger I believe violence and 'gang' violence is part of the human condition. Attempting to eliminate it entirely is Utopian and causes more harm than it attempts to prevent.

      Every society has made murder illegal and a punishable crime. Same goes for rape. The ones who don't, you can tell right away they're not exactly 1st world.

      Attempting to eliminate it entirely is Utopian and causes more harm than it attempts to prevent. The bulk of 'utopians' are really just hedonic, authoritarian tyrants that could give a shit about the health and wellbeing of the populace. This simply want power.

      Was it "utopian" when certain societies ended illiteracy? Or how about Polio? Did the creation of vaccines or insulin really result in the end of democracy as we know it? Nope. The opposite has taken place. Healthy people get to live more fuller and richer lives, as opposed to dying at the young age of 25 or less.

      Tech has just as much potential (if not more) to make humans miserable. Read Uncle Ted.

      You're using technology right now. Would you prefer to go back to the stone age tablet and chisel?

      Jews just see tech as a tool to carry out their control schemes. Nothing more.

      Jews are mortal like the rest of us. The point of technology outpacing Man would make them redundant.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        No. Humanity always finds new ways to adapt to technology that makes life better. I mentioned to another person the many advances made in medicine. Think of every artist, muscian, scientist etc whose lives were cut short because they had a disease that could have been cured? They wouldn't stop doing those hobbies just because they're no longer strapped in bed. With more convenience, humans can actually do the things they dream of. For example, imagine Space Travel where humans having an extended lifespan. We can finally visit other galaxies or even colonize other planets.

        But right now, as long as governments continue to spend trillions on new war weapons to kill each other, the amount of progress actually made in moving humanity forward as a species remains in limbo.

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          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Those scenarios exist right now, the difference comes with how our current governments regulate them, and whether people choose to follow the advice being set.

          For example, you bring up the unhealthy diets and tons of sugar. Well, I recall the debate about allowing vending machines in school. Depending on where you live, they were eventually banned and not everyone liked it. But then studies came out supporting the decision to make school environments more healthy.

          https://toronto.citynews.ca/2017/06/25/junk-food-sales-ban-canadian-schools-positive-effect-study/

          I don't believe this decision made school a more nihilist place. Sure, it was a sacrifice to children having access to their favorite candy bar, but the long term effects ensures that childhood obesity also declined.

          I guess I subscribe to the philosophy of Consequentialism or "Do the ends justify the means". If we have to temporarily sacrifice happiness so that children don't grow up to have horrible diseases like diabetes, or we can prevent them from joining a gang and sending their life into chaos, then it's a honorable goal we do something about suffering, instead of just letting it run wild with zero repercussion.

          Or another problem you bring up is will humans still have babies? Extending our lifespans wont make us immortal, unless somewhere in the future we do discover that technology. There are positive reasons to have children as long as we know our time in this universe is limited. Even better, the government could even encourage child birth if they solve the many reasons it has actually fallen in the West. People are struggling to pay for their mortgages/rent, thus they work longer hours, which translates to parents not having enough time to look after children unless they opt for expensive daycare. Reduce the cost and effort made with child rearing and theoretically, there should be another baby boom, since having a child no longer seems like a million dollar risk. Or if the robot/ai scenario plays out in the future, then the government can loan our virtual nannies who can babysit while parents are allowed to do whatever they want.

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            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I believe we'll get the first answers to that question when Elon Musk's neurolink technology hits the market. I wont make conclusions about the tech just yet, but lets pretend that his brain altering chips give humans almost superhero like abilities. Above genius level IQ, superhuman body strength, long range eyesight etc. Having a bunch of superhumans walking around the planet is going to result in extreme inequality right away, that most people will risk chipping themselves to avoid feeling second class or inferior. So in essence, we're just witnessing the next step in human evolution. Our current minds can't fathom how the next race of people will tackle life, just like how you could never explain to a chimp or ape-like ancestor why do we use computers and what kind of impact does it have on our mental state? It's just far beyond comprehension until we get to the next level and harness it for ourselves.

            [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

            I think the problem with this "radical centrist" is the feigned stupidity and unwillingness to accept facts and reasoning that run counter to their misinformed opinions.

            Example

            https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7ghz/creating_an_all_new_white_state_is_more_realistic/s36g

            it becomes impossible to deny that these countries have voted to open their borders and become minorities.

            Absolutely wrong. I expect you to change what you just wrote after looking at this historical polling data. There's never been a polled majority that wanted increased immigration but there has been a majority that wanted it reduced.

            https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

            [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I agree he comes off as deliberately obtuse or just wrong at times. A lot of people do IRL, too. It just doesn't necessarily make him a shill or worthy of targeting. People see through this, it's a debate forum after all

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

            The majority of White people right now could either boycott the system (i.e stop paying taxes), or form their own anti-immigration party. I even explained to ArchVileRespawned that 1968 had that opportunity. The pro-white George Wallace still came in a distant 3rd place.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_United_States_presidential_election

            Patrick Little was also running for a pro-white platform, but in 2018, he lost the Senate race to Dianne Feinstein.

            https://ballotpedia.org/Patrick_Little

            Regardless of what any polling says, the majority of White people just don't actually see the issue as being important. They still continue to vote for Democrat or Republican, who are both pro-immigration. If they hate it so much, start protesting. That's what happens when certain government policies are considered unpopular and require change. America leaving the Vietnam War is a perfect example of this.

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              [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

              You also accused Nixon of dog whistling being pro-white so by your own claim, a pro-white message won in 1968.

              By 1960s standards, yeah, Nixon represented your average White man and their racial views back then. I do not deny that one bit. Hell, I can even confirm right now that the U.S soldiers who fought in WW2 were also fiercely racist. But here's the thing, society always changes. People's views do change. Especially with more widespread teaching of science and education, it was always unrealistic to expect human beings to remain static. If anything, Americans picking the more moderate Nixon over the extreme Wallace is proof of this. Or fast forward to 2008, and White Americans didn't riot when the first Black Man became President.

              Trump lost white support when he stopped dog whistling. He would have won every state if only white people voted in 2016.

              Wait, what? No. Whites have always been split 50/50 on political lines. Some states with a lot of White people even vote Democrat regardless. Vermont? That's Bernie Sanders home state and he's Jewish.

              White people have been trying to stop this for a long time. That's what we're doing here. We've been lied to, stymied in bullshit legal battles, and duped into controlled opposition Republican support constantly. You refuse to examine how the system actually functions and denies people things it doesn't want them to have. You hear "sacred democracy," and you actually think that shit's real. You might as well believe in Santa Claus.

              White people are not doing enough. Sorry, but that's the hard truth. If you don't believe me, again, look at protests that exist for other worldly causes. People go on hunger strikes or even set themselves on fire for causes they truly believe in. And no, I'm not making that last part up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c#Day_of_the_act

              If Whites are serious about not seeing their demographic numbers change, then the activist movement needs to grow in huge numbers and make their voices heard. It doesn't matter how hard the system tries to squash this. There are people right now in Hong Kong who are protesting against a government with the 2nd largest GDP on earth. Do you think they care if they are grossly outgunned by China? Nope, they are still committed to protesting and civil disorder until they get their way. If Whites refuse to do the same thing, why should we expect anything to change?

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                [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                Ah yes, passive-aggressively framing your liberal views as scientific and enlightened and those who disagree as backwards and ignorant, "cOnTrArIaN" I wonder how people's views would change if they were educated in the science of race and IQ. Too bad that won't happen any time soon.

                Science is apolitical. Don't fall into the trap that it leans left or right. I only said it's responsible for shaping people's views. Anyone can read about IQ and Race right now. To say it will turn everyone into a White Nationalist is incorrect. Many liberals believe for example, that intelligence is subjective, or the research is incomplete. It's a topic that's going to debated forever since there is supporting evidence for both sides. For example, read what James Flynn (inventor of the Flynn Effect) had to say about IQ. He acknowledges Black/White differences exist, but points out environment is a bigger cause and not genetics.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Flynn_(academic)#Academic_work

                Of course I know you will post a counter scientist who will say it's more genes than environment but like I said, the debate about race and IQ will never settle as long as both sides compete over it.

                I could have sworn it was every state, but I can't find the one that was post election, only this one from before the election. It was almost every state. I may have mixed it up with him losing every state if only POCs voted. Either way, it's a complete wipe out in his favor. https://brilliantmaps.com/if-only-x-voted/

                It would be better to compare the actual margins, since there are states where he only won by a couple thousand votes. Regardless, I can admit that most White people support the GOP. But we also live in the reality where White Americans are not the only group in the country so it's just fantasizing scenarios that wont exist.

                On that, we finally agree, but I don't you understand how difficult it is to fight the machine.

                I don't control the machine, it's the protesters jobs to do something about it. Otherwise, refer to my comment in the last thread. "Don't blame others for your problems. Blame yourself or god".

                That's not how it works with this system. It's very passive aggressive. It lulls people to sleep by making them think they're winning and have options that are fake. It's not the same as standing against a blunt force repression. It's more like The Matrix, for lack of a succinct analogy.

                See the above. Direct the complaints at the system, not me.

                That's a CIA op, ya dingus. You're so damn naive.

                So you think everyone in Hong Kong wants to be ruled by the CCP? Nobody expresses resistance? Hong Kong is not the only territory to experience this. China invaded Tibet and the Dalai Lama rejects their occupation to this day. China also has their eyes on Taiwan and wants to control them too.

                [–]Node 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                Science is apolitical. Don't fall into the trap that it leans left or right.

                Great example of why I don't debate trolls. But those who can hold their nose long enough to do so get the trolls to expose themselves, as in this case.

                [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                I don't get how that is troll? Science has existed long before Liberalism was even a thing. I think you're confusing science being co-opted by those with an agenda, with the actual scientific method.

                [–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

                This is the technical definition, and it's found in the real world as frequently as unobtainium. Having just read your comments on this post, hypocrisy and disingenuousness appear to be your standard. No, you are not as stupid as you're going to claim you are.

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                  [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  85% of scientists who study the subject believe that IQ is at least partially heritable.

                  That doesn't debunk what I said. Especially in the realm of science where nothing is 100% set in stone. Yesterday, doctors where all convinced smoking cigarettes is good for you. Today, it is understood to be highly poisonous. Other scientists thought phrenology was a respected topic. Now it's complete bunk. The debate over IQ is still going to this day. Nobody holds the complete answer to it.

                  You are defending the system.

                  Which one? The system that allows protesting and the freedom to vote for any party you like? Yeah, I support that. What's the issue?

                  No dumbass. The CIA finds people who don't, organizes them, and foments dissent and recruits additional followers. That's an imperial superpower conducting an imperial operation on one of its rivals. You can't compare that to what we're doing.

                  Can I have evidence of this?

                  [–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  The majority of White people live in a way that shows they do care about race. You lack an understanding of psychology and how the system uses it to prevent expressions of racial ideas.

                  [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  That's quite vague. Why does it matter how they live? Did the majority of White people ever say they're going to stop living in the USA if immigrants keep moving in? There's no contradiction they vote for this stuff but still live in their own communities. If they want to leave the country, they could always do so right now.

                  You lack an understanding of psychology and how the system uses it to prevent expressions of racial ideas.

                  Well this goes back to what I was saying that if an issue is unpopular enough from the government, then we should expect to see more protests and open dissent over it. That's literally what Black Americans had to do when no Civil Rights Act existed. The bus boycotts, walking into racist diners, the marches to Washington. The system was completely against them but they didn't stop protesting for what they saw was a completely just cause.

                  [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Being that intentionally obtuse is trolling. He's not debating. These aren't sincere arguments.

                  [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  I see this a lot on plebbit with conservative (whatever is left of it on there) rhetoric to China.

                  Anti-white government, media that demonizes you, silicon valley that will censor you for non-violent perfectly fine views but it's China that's the real enemy

                  [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Yeah classic muh Russia/Chyna finkelthink

                  The real enemy is within

                  [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

                  What's your definition of "liberal"? Because I consider my political beliefs to be contrarian instead of being solidly left or right on the spectrum.

                  Hell, if I went on a Far-Left forum right now, I would immediately have disagreements over Stalin being a great leader, or if the government should have the right to take your toothbrush.

                  in defense of the American empire and the shit sandwich that it is for everyone, except wealthy Jews and their pals.

                  Between the USA, China & Russia, I consider the U.S to be the lesser evil and support them. But I think you misunderstand what this supports really means. The USA is the only superpower or world leader who probably takes free speech, capitalism and democracy seriously. Basically, the highest living standards and personal freedoms are better trusted with an elected U.S President vs a Chinese dictator.

                  In regards to wealthy Jews, I'm already an enemy to them because I support a Palestinian state. As a non-religious person, I also believe in reducing church and state influence. So another reason for Jews to hate me I guess, lol. I don't know why you think I have to support Jews on everything. If I have concerns or disagreements, I'm the first to air my opinions about them...

                  [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (29 children)

                  I consider my political beliefs to be contrarian

                  Maybe make a post and find out. Being an atheist, pro-globohomo, pro-US, race-blind egalitarian with some nuance is not a contrarian position. You just sound like a normal shitlib with a mishmash of soft critiques

                  [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

                  I'm only race blind because I believe supporting white people shouldn't come with any hatred for other groups.

                  If White people want to marry other White people, live in their own communities away from other non-whites and celebrate white achievements, I have no issues with that. I've even praised highly ethnocentric groups like Mormons and Amish people as an excellent example of White preservation. They have birth rates that are higher than the national average.

                  I doubt your average "shitlib" shares these views and if they do, shouldn't you be happy?

                  [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

                  I believe supporting white people shouldn't come with any hatred for other groups.

                  This is a trite and meaningless phrase. What is "hate," and why is it bad? Clearly the (Jewish) media hates white people, why shouldn't we "hate" them back? If we want a whites-only state, does that mean we "hate" anyone who isn't white? Obviously not, it just means we want a space for ourselves - just like shitlibs ostensibly want Africans and other brown people to have.

                  It's statements like these that make you look like a shill. How do you not see through the faux-morality of the lefty "hate" trope by now?

                  If White people want to marry other White people, live in their own communities away from other non-whites and celebrate white achievements, I have no issues with that.

                  This isn't enough - Mormons and Amish don't have their own states and can't actualize themselves in a geopolitical way. Or effectively protect themselves from the MSM, or conduct their own economic policies and create laws. An ethnostate would be able to do this. Establishing one would require that we "be mean" to at least a few brown people. That's what it's going to take to get what we want.

                  You don't have to have that opinion - this is a debate forum - but that's where most "Alt-Right" users are at now. You don't get anything until you cast off this judeo-globohomo white-exploting nightmare wholesale.

                  I doubt your average "shitlib" shares these views and if they do, shouldn't you be happy?

                  You're better than a typical shitlib, but your critiques and solutions are too milquetoast to have any promise. Being Amish or Mormon isn't going to save you. You, like any shitlib, will get absolutely nothing from the system - except a disgusting anti-white society, shitty netflix, and maybe a sufferable job at globohomo corp (if you keep your head down). That way, you can get shekels to pay for your mcdonald's and funkopops (the other 50% goes to babysitting brown people and wars for jews)

                  There is nothing in this system for you - Unless you are willing to throw away the whole thing. Your government is hostile, you're being abused by the Jewish ruling class and their adjacents, they will not give you a chance to win this through "democracy" or "religion" or whatever.

                  [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

                  This is a trite and meaningless phrase. What is "hate," and why is it bad? Clearly the (Jewish) media hates white people, why shouldn't we "hate" them back? If we want a whites-only state, does that mean we "hate" anyone who isn't white? Obviously not, it just means we want a space for ourselves - just like shitlibs ostensibly want Africans and other brown people to have. It's statements like these that make you look like a shill. How do you not see through the faux-morality of the lefty "hate" trope by now?

                  If your average normie were to google white nationalism right now, they'll most definitely come across images/search results that show stuff like the confederate flag, swastika, apartheid south africa etc. Regardless if your opinion on these symbols are important or not, most people are going to be turned off by what they believe are tyrannical ideas with a goal of oppressing other people.

                  Now obviously, supporting White peoples existence should not put you in the same category as war criminals. But it doesn't help either that the message has been appropriated by those very same dangerous movements that remain hostile to other races. The only solution is to neutralize the hate elements that come with White Nationalism. Otherwise, the stigma that pro-White policies will lead to the next Hitler or Jefferson Davis will remain fresh in people's minds.

                  This isn't enough - Mormons and Amish don't have their own states and can't actualize themselves in a geopolitical way. Or effectively protect themselves from the MSM, or conduct their own economic policies and create laws. An ethnostate would be able to do this. Establishing one would require that we "be mean" to at least a few brown people. That's what it's going to take to get what we want. You don't have to have that opinion - this is a debate forum - but that's where most "Alt-Right" users are at now. You don't get anything until you cast off this judeo-globohomo white-exploting nightmare wholesale.

                  Gandhi lead a peaceful nationalist movement and the result was still India. Ironically, it was the White colonial rulers (Britain) who screwed things up and made the situation far more violent when they forcefully split the nation into two (i.e India and Muslim Pakistan). There's no reason to emulate the British in this case, especially since their legacy has made these regions far more dangerous than they should have been. Mormons and Amish aren't being wiped out, despite the fact they are still practicing extremely high White birth rates. Support those movements instead.

                  You're better than a typical shitlib, but your critiques and solutions are too milquetoast to have any promise. Being Amish or Mormon isn't going to save you. You, like any shitlib, will get absolutely nothing from the system - except a disgusting anti-white society, shitty netflix, and maybe a sufferable job at globohomo corp (if you keep your head down). That way, you can get shekels to pay for your mcdonald's and funkopops (the other 50% goes to babysitting brown people and wars for jews) There is nothing in this system for you - Unless you are willing to throw away the whole thing. Your government is hostile, you're being abused by the Jewish ruling class and their adjacents, they will not give you a chance to win this through "democracy" or "religion" or whatever.

                  I've said this before but the government and media are only as powerful as you want them to be. If all you do is listen to the media everyday, then yeah, it will make you go crazy. But turn off the TV for even just 5 seconds, and actually focus on yourself. Trust me, your life will improve instantly. From there, start actually building a community. Again, that's another way the situation can evolve very fast. Just stop giving the people in power any attention and they will learn to ignore you too. There is a such thing as having realistic expectations and as of right now, nothing about the Western systems are going to disappear anytime soon. Everyone on earth just has to learn to live with those things until better does show up one day. But for now, just stop worrying. Recall that human beings have been through much much worse in the past. Watching videos of the two world wars should instantly tell you White people have it far better today than they did 100 years ago. I would not want to live in bombed out Berlin or be on the sinking ships of Pearl Harbor. Those people would have desired the huge amounts of peace that exist right now.

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                    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

                    The only way the government/media can be omnipotent is if you live in a country that has complete surveillance and spies on its citizens. Like North Korea or the Stasi in East Germany.

                    Otherwise, you're not thinking hard enough about how it's very easy to ignore those powers. For example, during the Covid pandemic, many people are working from home now. There's no way the [Western] governments are maintaining a complete tab on everyone who does.

                    Edit: And with working from home comes complete anonymity. No one has to know what your race is unless you personally give them your info.

                    [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                    The only way the government/media can be omnipotent is if you live in a country that has complete surveillance and spies on its citizens. Like North Korea or the Stasi in East Germany.

                    You forgot the most important player on that list of yours. Hint, it's not a foreign government.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#Responses_to_disclosures

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

                    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                    Those guys are not always 100% effective.

                    But regardless, this is taking my point the extreme. The NSA is probably spying on someone who watches My Little Pony. That doesn't mean he's going to jail or have his life ruined.

                    [–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                    Nice goal-post moving. Hope you didn't hurt your back.

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                      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                      Not everyone works from home, and some places will at least require some in person meeting at some point or camera stuff or identification badges or whatever.

                      Then do what everyone from the age of 18 does and learn a new skill. In some countries, they even offer free courses/post secondary education. Take advantage of it, and get a high paying job that lets you work from the woods. There's no excuse. Bringing up the camera stuff or identification badges isn't a requirement for working from home. You could for example, be an internet freelancer and use a pen name. No one will know your true identity unless you personally say so.

                      If you choose to work for a company that surveilles you 24/7, that's your own fault. The internet is global, you could be hired by anyone on Earth, in any undisclosed location.

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                          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                          If you lived in a neutral country back then? Yes. What was going on in Europe or Asia generally had no effect on them. But since it was a World War, and conscription was often times mandatory, their own personal freedoms were trampled upon unless they volunteered for jail time instead.

                          But I'm not sure how this reply is used against me. You are defending my argument that life today is far better than during the World Wars. The U.S hasn't even had conscription since the end of Vietnam.

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                            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Pearl harbor was going to happen because Japan was in the middle of conquering Asia, and the U.S had already thrown their support for China by imposing an oil embargo on Japan. Even if America repelled the Pearl Harbor invasion, it still wouldn't have stopped Japan from attacking other U.S held assets that was in the way of their campaign. They [Japan] did invade the Philippines soon after, and launched an attack on some Alaskan territory.

                            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                            f White people want to marry other White people, live in their own communities away from other non-whites and celebrate white achievements, I have no issues with that.

                            In the dissident community we call this freedom of association. It's often pushed by Jared Taylor when he's trying to soft sell white ethnostates. The problem is that whites are living under a neo liberal western empire that has zero desire to give whites freedom of association. If this truly is your position you are on the political fringe and soon will be lumped in as a potential 'terrorist' with the rest of the dissident community. So if you truly want 'open' society, truth and individual rights protect whites like your life depends on it because it does.

                            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                            I have no problem with Jared Taylor tbh. I actually think he's a role model for what mainstream White nationalism should look like. He's calmed, relaxed, argues his points with sources, and isn't afraid to debate people on the other side of the spectrum. That's respectable.

                            In regards to freedom of association, I've done my own research and even in the worst places on Earth, I'm still able to find communities of mostly white people just minding their own business. In South Africa, the community of Orania has the official blessing of Nelson Mandela. In hyper mixed race societies like Brazil, several European enclaves actually exist in the Southern regions and they have very little in common with the mega cities that exist in the rest of the country. I see those kinds of settlements as being able to stand the test of time. Although plenty of countries in Eastern Europe have bigger White majorities and non-white immigration is almost unheard of. Russia, Estonia, Lithuania, Belarus, Moldova. They are all "ethnostates" for any White person who wants to move there and feel closer to their own kind.

                            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                            I've done my own research and even in the worst places on Earth, I'm still able to find communities of mostly white people just minding their own business

                            So because some pockets of whites have not yet been destroyed whites have freedom of association? lol.

                            I think we have radically different standards of freedom of association.

                            In South Africa, the community of Orania has the official blessing of Nelson Mandela.

                            The ANC, wealthly Jews and the increasingly the Chinese run south africa. Mandela's 'blessing' isn't going to save little Orania once any of those groups go after it.

                            In hyper mixed race societies like Brazil, several European enclaves actually exist in the Southern regions and they have very little in common with the mega cities that exist in the rest of the country.

                            So again your argument is that if whites exist in a pocket somewhere on earth they are safe? How are whites in Argentina, South Africa, or any other pocket suppose to protect themselves without homogeneous white homelands?

                            They are all "ethnostates" for any White person who wants to move there and feel closer to their own kind.

                            If marxism, neo liberalism and anti white Jewish golem continue ethnic cleansing how will pockets of whites expect to avoid similar targeting?

                            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                            So because some pockets of whites have not yet been destroyed whites have freedom of association? lol. I think we have radically different standards of freedom of association.

                            I'm just not convinced you can ever get rid of white people. Their DNA will always exists, and it's even been allowed to mix inside other ethnic groups. A world wide hunt doesn't explain what's going to happen to people who claim to be 80% white but still offer to reproduce. Nothing about it is worthwhile and I even think such an elite organization will go bankrupt even attempting it.

                            So again your argument is that if whites exist in a pocket somewhere on earth they are safe? How are whites in Argentina, South Africa, or any other pocket suppose to protect themselves without homogeneous white homelands?

                            There are far more dangerous places in those countries that most murders are being committed against the same race. A black person has more to fear for their own life, than a White person does in South Africa for example.

                            Also, it would be more worthwhile to improve those countries economic living conditions so poverty becomes less rampant. Thanks to capitalism, even the third world is seeing a drop in murder rates since more people are beginning to accumulate wealth.

                            If marxism, neo liberalism and anti white Jewish golem continue ethnic cleansing how will pockets of whites expect to avoid similar targeting?

                            How do most humans avoid being ethnically cleansed?

                            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                            How do most humans avoid being ethnically cleansed?

                            Through ethnic nationalism. Which you seem to oppose.

                            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                            Through ethnic nationalism. Which you seem to oppose.

                            I am not opposed to it, but I do believe in better and more modern strategies meant to combat it. For example, applying sanctions on nations who try and harm vulnerable ethnic groups. Enforce an arms embargo to also limit the amount of damage they can spread. And when worst comes to worst, then military intervention is required to maintain peace. This was originally the case with the first Gulf War and it left the Saddam regime completely crippled, despite their previous crimes against the Kurds and Iranians.

                            Edit: And then there where the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s. Although the response could have been better, NATO still manage to arrest and charge leaders involved with ethnic cleansing.

                            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            better and more modern strategies

                            Not always the same thing.

                            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            Because I consider my political beliefs to be contrarian instead of being solidly left or right on the spectrum.

                            "Contrarian" is less political position and more character flaw. Is that you Mr. Malice?

                            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            No, I consider it a political position because only beliefs that can be rigorously defended are deserving of praise or acceptance.

                            Both the Left & Right constantly put out positions that are backed by science. But when there are positions that neither side are willing to defend when put under a microscope, they are discarded immediately.

                            [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                            What's kayfabe? I've heard of Finkelthink but not that other one.

                            edit: figured it out

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

                            [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Stage play, aka fake-and-gay political theater

                            "The stop-the-steal protest and political reaction was pure kayfabe"

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe