Ukraine may seek nuclear weapons if left out of NATO: Diplomat

submitted by EthnocratArcheofuturist from self.debatealtright

This is totally insane. Russia should annex Ukraine now. Call the West's bluff.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think they might. They've amassed a staggering 107,000 troops along with 1300 tanks and 1300 guns and mortars and 350+ MLRS.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-puts-invasion-stripes-assault-23915105

Many are speculating that the Russians are simply waiting for the ground to dry. The grounds in Ukraine are supposedly muddy at this time and will dry up in a few weeks. If Russia actually does invade and annex eastern Ukraine and the US does little other than impose sanctions, it will be a huge slap on Biden's face and the reputation of the US.

Countries won't take American assurances seriously anymore

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If the US does strike back could Russia use its new Poseidon torpedos?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its not in active service. Only the Belgorod submarine can carry it and its still undergoing trials at sea. It was supposed to enter active service in 2020 but that seems to have been delayed to 2021.

In any case, its a weapon of last resort. Its a weapon that would be used once tactical nuclear warheads have already been used and the Russians have decided to go all in.

Its a doomsday weapon, a single torpedo with a 100 megaton yield cobalt bomb could irradiate and the entire US east Coast , practically killing a third of Americans. I hope to god it never sees use

[–]Bagarmoossen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Ukrainian puppet government is batshit insane, considering it's riddled with Jews who are in the pockets of the USA I think they wouldn't think twice before sacrificing the bulk of the Ukrainian population just to provoke the hated Russians into an invasion, as by doing so they would force NATO to rally in their favour and so destroy any possibility of reconciliation between Europe and Russia in the near future.

There are no good ways out of this situation. Let's just remember what this is the result of: the murderous, slavophobic Bolsheviks' genocide against Ukrainians as well as Liberal-backed "nationalist" brainwashing of the Ukrainian youth, who now genuinely believe they are westerners and not a part of Russian civilization, despite all evidence of the contrary. It surely doesn't help that Russia keeps idolizing their bleak Soviet past and the bloodthirsty psychopath Stalin.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the plans are less diabolical. Anatoly Karlin has the best analysis of the situation. Ukraine gains transit fees worth 3 billion every year due to gas lines going from Russia to Europe. If Nord Stream 2 is opened, it loses all this money. Its the same reason Poland and the baltic states are hugely butthurt about NS2.

Zelenskey most likely wanted to fight a limited war in Crimea and the Donbass. One just large enough to draw Russian forces into open combat. They would then pause and the Russian intervention would provide the US to lobby even stronger against NS2.

Germany would be under immense pressure then to cancel NS2. That's why Ukraine mobilized its forces first and laid out a memo stating that they would retake Crimea by force.

Putin counteracted that by moving massive Russian forces to the Ukrainian border. He made it visible for all to see the huge buildup. In modern times, masssing a 107,000 troops and 1300 tanks requires a large logistical effort.

The implicit threat to Zelenskey was that if the Ukrainians started a war, they wouldn't get away with it with just a few hundred casualties. If a war starts, Russia would inflict a serious penalty on Kiev and perhaps annex all of Eastern Ukraine.

Judging by Kiev's recent behavior, they seem to have gotten cold feet. Particularly after the US warships tucked tail out of the black sea. They were gambling big on American protection and the US sent to warships to the Black sea. But Russia announced that the ships would be treated as hostile elements and told them to get for their own good.

The US ships ran quickly, even before them, a US carrier group left the Mediterranean. So Ukraine seems less confident about their chances.

Russia on the other hand might be seeking to intimidate Ukraine into agreeing to the Minsk II agreement

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Unrelated, but what's the situation in Flemish nationalism? Do you guys want an independent Flanders or do you want to join the Netherlands. The latter doesn't seem an attractive proposition considering how gay and liberal it is.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Most Flemish nationalists want an independent Flanders, but some want to join the Netherlands. I don't care either way. I would much rather have a unitary Belgium that's entirely white than a multiracial independent Flanders.

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    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Unitary Belgium would still be a multi-ethnic nation, which is only a few steps removed from multi-racialism.

    Total bullshit. Belgians are white. We only speak different languages. That's it. Race is a much bigger difference than ethnicity.

    A united (ethnic) Dutch-speaking nation that is also nationalist would be the most ideal option in my opinion, but I don't see this happening for a while.

    The most ideal solution would be a pan-European one.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Imo, the ideal solution would be union of Flanders, Holland, Switzerland, Austria and Germany into one Greater Germanic Reich as Hitler envisioned. With a population of nearly 120 million, it would be a true great power capable of global force projection.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    That's an outdated vision. Only pan-Europeanism will suffice.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Pan Europeanism honestly sounds artificial and risky. These distant multicultural empires always tend to grow oppressive and corrupt sooner or later. Rome, the US, Macedonian Empire, Mongol Empire are some of the few examples. A nation should be formed on the basis of ethnos, a common genetic, linguistic and historical legacy.

    A pan European empire would just become another EU down the line. Distant bureaucrats in Brussels shipping Champagne and holding 90% of the wealth while the average man wastes away in the provinces...just like the US is today. The better solution imo is the consolidation of Europe into larger national unions like Gross Deutschland, France and Wallonia, Spain and Portugal, Britain and Ireland, The Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Croats into one greater Slavic Catholic realm, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into one greater Russia, a united Scandinavia.

    This would eliminate hobbit states like Ireland but keep states strong enough to project power onto the world

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Rome

    Lasted for thousands of years. Nazi Germany lasted 12 years...

    A nation should be formed on the basis of ethnos, a common genetic, linguistic and historical legacy.

    That's exactly what Europe is.

    A pan European empire would just become another EU down the line.

    Not if it has a completely different political theology. Ideology matters.

    Distant bureaucrats in Brussels shipping Champagne and holding 90% of the wealth while the average man wastes away in the provinces...just like the US is today.

    Identitarians would give the provinces a much bigger share of the collective wealth. Our movement is inherently suspicious of big cities.

    The better solution imo is the consolidation of Europe into larger national unions like Gross Deutschland, France and Wallonia, Spain and Portugal, Britain and Ireland, The Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Croats into one greater Slavic Catholic realm, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into one greater Russia, a united Scandinavia.

    We can't risk another brother war. Europeans either unite, or we'll go extinct. It's that simple. Everything that has happened to us has led us to this moment. Europeans are suffering from the same problems and have the same enemies. That's what truly forges our identity. Just look at how our enemies identify us. They don't make a distinction between Poles or Swedes. They only see whites.