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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why bother getting one at all of you don't have to

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

I am not getting it. Seriously, are you going to die if you get it? 99% chance that you aren't. And if you get it, then you will be immune with >95% confidence for at least 7 months and possibly more according to a recently released study from Qatar with 40k+ people.

I am not a doctor and I don't provide health recommendations. It is your own life that is at risk, not mine. If covid fucks you up, you alone are responsible and you alone will have to live with the consequences.

I personally don't trust the jews or the globalists at all, so I am not getting it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

I personally don't trust the jews or the globalists at all, so I am not getting it.

If vaccines save more people then it kills, what makes it "Jewish"?

Medicine doesn't come out of a Synagogue. These are made by well trained professionals in a lab who have to pass several tests.

If that comes with a conspiracy, then so does every Wheelchair, Vitamin pills, and even Cough Syrup.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

If vaccines save more people then it kills, what makes it "Jewish"?

We are not talking about vaccines, but the covid vaccine.

You don't know shit about who made this vaccine, what data they used to create the vaccine, who delivered that data, who gave these people credentials to work on such projects and so on.

Resistance against the vaccine is treated the same way that we in the alt right is being treated, which screams danger to me. It is pure brainwashing in my opinion. I'm not qualified to talk about it so my opinion should hold absolute zero weight for anyone reading this, but I am not getting vaccinated.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

We are not talking about vaccines, but the covid vaccine. You don't know shit about who made this vaccine, what data they used to create the vaccine, who delivered that data, who gave these people credentials to work on such projects and so on.

You are right but for all the wrong reasons. Covid vaccines were actually meant to be open source, but Bill Gates stepped in and blocked access to other countries getting it.

https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1353330538292121602

But this doesn't suggest a "Jewish" conspiracy, since we all know the world wants this medicine but the U.S decided to hoard it for themselves.

Resistance against the vaccine is treated the same way that we in the alt right is being treated, which screams danger to me. It is pure brainwashing in my opinion. I'm not qualified to talk about it so my opinion should hold absolute zero weight for anyone reading this, but I am not getting vaccinated.

Resisting the vaccine doesn't make you a hero in this case. It's medicine with the goal of saving lives. The most vaccinated countries right now are the only ones who stand a chance of opening their economies again. By resisting, you're actually putting millions of your fellow countrymen at risk of further torment instead of trying to end the pandemic as fast as possible.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Resisting the vaccine doesn't make you a hero in this case.

You wouldn't know, because those potential heroes are silenced, while the jewish media puts up their puppets on display.

It is fine if you believe the jewish media but I don't.

There are too many "coincidences" for me to take it seriously.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

Look, I think Jews can be responsible for a lot of heinous shit. But a life saving vaccine meant to RETURN EARTH TO NORMAL is not one of them.

That's why it's not heroic to fight the vaccine. Science just came up with a solution to end the pandemic that is proven to work.

Resisting science looks just as silly as Liberals/Left-wingers who do the same thing with race.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

The pandemic isn't a pandemic. We can return to normal whenever we want.

You are living in their fantasy world. Close your jewish television and live your life.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

That's impossible when we live in a world where hospital resources are finite. Or when factories shuts down from an outbreak, and thousands of people are now laid off or fired.

If you believe in science, you don't have to be afraid. The same science that made the vaccine, also made the computer you're typing on. Being afraid is the same thing Liberals do when shown crime statistics. Facts really don't care about your feelings.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

A danish scientist says that 95% of danes are immune. Why don't you believe in science?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

I'm not too familiar with Denmark's history, but even just one article shows that they still want people vaccinated and they even require a negative test before opening up society. They even go as far as requiring a digital passport or certificate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/stark-contrast-how-covid-pass-is-helping-denmark-open-up

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Factories aren’t shutting down because of covid, they’re shutting down because of society’s response to covid. There are other diseases that are just as virulent that have popped up over the years & in no case did it force the economy to close. Some healthy factory workers that catch covid could easily keep working with a snivelly nose for a few days if society didn’t tell them that they had to quarantine for weeks. The factory would easily remain open if society didn’t forcibly close it (along with the entire economy).

What is happening is a mass hysteria that is leaps & bounds out of proportion to the problem itself (I.e a slightly more serious version on the common cold)

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Factories aren’t shutting down because of covid, they’re shutting down because of society’s response to covid. There are other diseases that are just as virulent that have popped up over the years & in no case did it force the economy to close.

What disease went around that was just as as widespread and deadly as Covid? And a factory refusing to shut down is a massive health violation. For example, I wouldn't eat Beef coming from a factory that had Mad Cow disease. And I would expect all tainted products to be destroyed as well.

Similarly, if there was a factory in my neighborhood with confirmed Covid cases, I would demand to know where their products are going so I don't catch it either.

What is happening is a mass hysteria that is leaps & bounds out of proportion to the problem itself (I.e a slightly more serious version on the common cold)

The hysteria is justified because Covid has some nasty as hell after effects. For example, it's powerful enough to tear apart your lungs, requiring a replacement.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-double-lung-transplant-canada-ontario-1.5983712

And that was coming from a healthy guy before he unfortunately caught it.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think his point was that the system we live under, dominated by the (largely Jewish) financial elite has become so ideologically driven & has been proven wrong so many times on so many points, that it’s natural to be suspicious of ANY policies they push.

Medical experts exist within the system & have to conform to certain ideologically driven agendas if they want to keep their jobs, just like they did in the Soviet Union & many other times in history. An example would be scientists today denying the reality of biological racial differences, even when their own research proves it to be real.

I’m not a medical expert, and personally I doubt there’s any problem with the vaccine, but since the trust I have in our government is so low, and the fact that I’m young & fit means that for me, the potential risks outweigh the potential benefits & so I won’t be taking the vaccine for now. If things become clearer in the future I may reconsider.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's a certain IQ Test that many of you "healthy people" are failing badly right now. The scariest part about Covid isn't how lethal it is. It's the fact that once you get it, you are officially a carrier of the virus. You can't shrug that off. Having Covid inside of you makes you a risk to everybody you come in contact with.

That is why this pandemic has been raging on for months. No one cares if you're healthy. We care that once you're infected, you cease all public movement with it. Otherwise, you walk into a Hospital, Bar, Supermarket, School, Washroom, The Gym, Library, everywhere, and leave behind your traces of Covid to unsuspecting victims.

But see, the anti-vaxxers or anti-lockdown people have fought against all common sense. By congregating together or holding giant protests, they've only helped to spread the virus again, instead of letting it die. The Virus doesn't go away just because you're healthy, it has to go away by refusing to spread it to anymore people again. With a vaccine, it's even easier to achieve this since you can still move around in public without endangering other people's lives. It's a win win for everyone so it's really sad why people are refusing this miracle drug that makes life go back to normal without having to kill thousands of people to do it...

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Response would be to follow the government spending. It's not necessarily the vaccines (or other McGuffin) but the fact that governments around the world are spending an exorbitant amount of money on a disease that isn't really a concern for most people.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

but the fact that governments around the world are spending an exorbitant amount of money on a disease that isn't really a concern for most people.

What do you mean "most people"? Not everyone can work from home.

Governments are forced to spend money because the pandemic has disrupted society to warrant a response.

By doing nothing, that is exactly how we end up with deadly situations like India instead of Australia, who took the virus seriously and are closer to opening back up.

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What do you mean "most people"? Not everyone can work from home.

Most people = covid doesn't harm most people. In Canada, 99% of deaths are in long-term care homes and the news has gone out of it's way to edit that out of their segments. See here, 2 min mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfttOB2cy50

and stealth edit ~3:38

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2070509

Governments are forced to spend money because the pandemic has disrupted society to warrant a response.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Governments have disrupted society far more than the virus has, they've just used the virus as an excuse.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most people = covid doesn't harm most people.

That's not a good reason at all to ignore the pandemic. As I explained to the other guy, it takes only 1 person to spread it to a school or factory and get that establishment shut down. All those people who depended on factory work to pay their bills are now fucked, and thus the government is forced to pay them welfare until they can return to work.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Governments have disrupted society far more than the virus has, they've just used the virus as an excuse.

There's an argument for both. But without the virus, none of their schemes would have materialized anyway, so the blame is on Covid. For example, the government is not going to profit when important food factories are forced to close and hundreds of workers are now in isolation while awaiting money. It's your tax dollars being forced to pay for the virus.

[–]sylla94 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

my dad got it the other day without prior warning. he's seems fine but I hope he'll do alright..

i'm still extremely distrusting of vaccines and our enemies who relentlessly push them

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

i'm still extremely distrusting of vaccines and our enemies who relentlessly push them

This type of paranoia doesn't make sense. Doctors aren't being paid to kill people. Maybe you're thinking of Mercenaries/Hitmen?

A vaccine is medicine like any other, except it's there to save you from the biggest pandemic ravaging the world right now...

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

A vaccine is medicine like any other, except it's there to save you from the biggest pandemic ravaging the world right now...

Many of the covid vaccines are not designed traditionally, e.g. manufactured from live-attenuated viruses.

mRNA vaccines are obviously not.

I think the autoimmune concerns are well-reasoned.

Typically when you come into contact with a virus, e.g. someone sneezes in your face and you get the cold, this virus would have been 100% foreign to your immune system. It was made and processed in someone else's body. It would not have any post-translational modifications that your body would identify as self when your body responds to it and makes epitopes for your immune system.

My concern with the mRNA vaccines is that for people whose first contact with covid is that they are not going to be entirely foreign as the mRNA will be processed within the body and will essentially have self/non-self parts to it, i.e. it's possible that your body will both recognize some of it as self and some of it as non-self.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16014515/

Although the immune system has developed mechanisms to distinguish "self" from "non-self," the presence of autoimmune diseases demonstrates that these mechanisms can be bypassed. The posttranslational modification of self-antigens is one way in which "new" antigens are created for which immune tolerance does not exist. We review some of the posttranslationally modified self-antigens associated with autoimmune diseases, how they arise, and how they break immune tolerance.

Moderna founders. We can to set off the immune system but not do it traditionally. Wcgw?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine#History

Hungarian biochemist Katalin Karikó attempted to solve some of the main technical barriers to introducing mRNA into cells in the 1990s. Karikó partnered with American immunologist Drew Weissman, and by 2005 they published a joint paper that solved one of the key technical barriers by using modified nucleosides to get mRNA inside cells without setting off the body's defense system.[3][23] Harvard stem cell biologist Derrick Rossi (then at Stanford) read Karikó and Weissman's paper and recognized that their work was "groundbreaking",[23] and in 2010 founded the mRNA-focused biotech Moderna along with Robert Langer, who also saw its potential in vaccine development.[23][3] Like Moderna, BioNTech also licensed Karikó and Weissman's work.[23]

Continued. Literally not mRNA vaccine until now was licensed

Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases; selected targets for cancer; and rare diseases like Crigler–Najjar syndrome, with most finding that the side-effects of the mRNA delivery methods were too serious.[24][25] mRNA vaccines for human use have been developed and tested for the diseases rabies, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and influenza, although these mRNA vaccines have not been licensed.[26] Many large pharmaceutical companies abandoned the technology,[24] while some biotechs re-focused on the less profitable area of vaccines, where the doses would be at lower levels and side-effects reduced.[24][27]

mRNA vaccines are unnecessary and have poor outcomes since their inception. We have already established vaccine technologies. If you really want to get a covid vaccine, get one that is traditionally designed (I don't know if anyone has made one).

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

If you really want to get a covid vaccine, get one that is traditionally designed (I don't know if anyone has made one).

If you get infected with Covid-19, you might not actually live to see it. That's why it's better to get the vaccine right now. It's there to prolong life, not shorten it.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I would say the conspiracy is to funnel money and make people do what you want through fearmongering.

[–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Making the vaccines hasn't really been that profitable and the obvious gigantic financial incentive for the vaccines is that they end the pandemic which means the economy can recover.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Making the vaccines hasn't really been that profitable

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/heres-how-much-money-pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-could-make-from-covid-vaccines

Pfizer's latest earnings report notes that Comirnaty profits are split 50-50 with BioNTech. The companies expect the vaccine to bring in revenues of approximately $15 billion in 2021.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/02/covid-vaccine-pfizer-expects-about-15-billion-in-2021-sales-from-shots.html

Pfizer said Tuesday it expects to sell about $15 billion in coronavirus vaccine doses this year and to net a profit in the high 20% range of revenue for the inoculations.

I don't think $15 billion (or $3 billion/20%) is anything to sneeze at.

[–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That isn't profit, a large portion of that is cost, developing a drug quickly runs into the billions and then billions of doses have to be produced. If this is some type of scam it isn't a very good one and we still get a highly effective and safe vaccine from it. From a cost/benefit standpoint the covid-vaccine is extremely efficient. Trillions for a pandemic or a few billion for a vaccine.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If this is some type of scam it isn't a very good one and we still get a highly effective and safe vaccine from it.

I'm skeptical of that.

I recall the 95% efficacy (I think it was) that was claimed.

When you look at the data for that claim it was about 40000 people total, 20000 in each arm, vaccinated or placebo.

Something like 160 people tested positive in the control arm, within 2 weeks or 1 month iirc. While 8 tested positive in the vaccine arm.

160/(160+8)*100 = ~95%

Or in other words, 19992 (99.96%) vs. 19840 (99.2%) people didn't get sick at all. I can accept that that is the proper way to report the data but looking at that data doesn't leave me convinced, especially since they didn't go and test all the people in both groups, they're relying on a sample of 0.04%-0.8% as if that's supposed to be representative.

Go ahead and get vaccinated if you think that's best for you, but please reciprocate that and respect the autonomy of others.

[–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Flip a coin 160 times what are the odds of getting 160+ heads?

A number so small that coin flip calculator can't calculate it. In fact if 40 people had gotten the virus who had been vaccinated the risk of the vaccine not working at all would be 0.000000000003091. The confidence intervals were provided in the article published we can with a very high degree of certainty conclude that the vaccines are highly effective. The math is published in the article so if you want to critique their stats send them an email showing where they went wrong.

As for vaccines a large portion of the point is to stop the spread through herd immunity. People don't want people who carry disease around them.

[–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Covid19 is an RNA virus meaning that if you get infected you are going to get way, way more foreign mRNA in you and many more different such proteins and in far larger doses that reproduce in an uncontrolled way. Claiming that the vaccine is dangerous because of mRNA while not taking covid seriously doesn't make sense. If you are afraid of foreign mRNA covid should terrify you most of all. It isn't just covid that is foreign mRNA but you get a dose of foreign mRNA that makes a vaccine dose look puny when you get a common cold.

mRNA vaccines are unnecessary and have poor outcomes since their inception.

They have done really well during the pandemic and have shown to be safer, more effective and easier to scale production of than other types of vaccines.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Covid19 is an RNA virus meaning that if you get infected you are going to get way, way more foreign mRNA in you and many more different such proteins and in far larger doses that reproduce in an uncontrolled way. Claiming that the vaccine is dangerous because of mRNA while not taking covid seriously doesn't make sense. If you are afraid of foreign mRNA covid should terrify you most of all. It isn't just covid that is foreign mRNA but you get a dose of foreign mRNA that makes a vaccine dose look puny when you get a common cold.

I don't think you understood what I wrote, or perhaps I didn't communicate it as well as I could have.

Main point, please re-read, I added a small edit in case that may have caused the lack of clarity.

My concern with the mRNA vaccines is that for people whose first contact with covid (edit: through the vaccine) is that they are not going to be entirely foreign as the mRNA will be processed within the body and will essentially have self/non-self parts to it, i.e. it's possible that your body will both recognize some of it as self and some of it as non-self.

[–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My concern with the mRNA vaccines is that for people whose first contact with covid (edit: through the vaccine) is that they are not going to be entirely foreign as the mRNA will be processed within the body and will essentially have self/non-self parts to it, i.e. it's possible that your body will both recognize some of it as self and some of it as non-self.

Luckily we have extensive data on the topic and it shows that the vaccines are incredibly safe. I find it funny that people are so concerened about vaccines when air pollution is a vastly bigger problem. People die of salt in their food all the time yet are super scared of miniscule vaccine risks.

As for the vaccines giving autoimmune disease that simply hasn't happened. As your article shows this has been researched for many years and these problems have been solved.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People die of salt in their food all the time yet are super scared of miniscule vaccine risks.

I agree with you that they are miniscule. The issue/conflict that I have is whether they're necessary for people that are a low risk for having a severe response to covid infection.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Edit: I would also take into the consideration how much Covid-19 vaccinations are being shilled by the Jewish-controlled media and governments of this world. This insistence does not make me feel at ease, and makes me wonder why they are pushing so hard for this.

    We've seen Presidents and other Heads of State get vaccinated. If there was a secret conspiracy to genocide/enslave the population, then the Elites will be the first to go using their own medicine...

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      For example in Germany, politicians received a different type of flu vaccine, of higher quality, that was safer and caused fewer side effects. What makes you think that same thing cannot happen again?

      There's actually competition for Covid Vaccines right now. Russia manufactures their own. So does China. Yet it's Pfizer (USA) that is in demand worldwide. So why wont it happen again? Because there's a race against time right now to end the pandemic, and to do so you need vaccines that are proven to work.

      If the Elites somehow have a better version of this, then it's only an argument that vaccines work and we should be doing everything in our power to get a sample of this. But it's probably not necessary, since we have examples like Israel who are using "consumer ready" vaccines and are in the process of opening up.

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      100 comments?!

      [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Apparently there are a lot of people who want to debate nazis. Then they find out they aren't monsters.

      [–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      u/radicalcentrist You've made almost 40 replies in this thread alone. Why are you shilling so hard for the vaccines?

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      Because I'm one of the "essential workers" forced to work during this pandemic, and seeing rampant denial and insanity from both sides (Far-left & Far-right) is honestly the worst thing I've seen in human history.

      There is room to be skeptical about a lot of things. Hell, I love the discussions that make fun of Israel and criticize them for their evils.

      But the crusade being lead against medical vaccines is pure treachery. People are seriously tired and want life to go back to normal. Now that the technology is staring us in the face, there are those who think leading a resistance makes them a hero instead of a comic book villain.

      We need to have higher standards than this. Again, the Far-Left gets mocked all the time for dismissing race science with concrete evidence. Yet it's completely acceptable to believes vaccines are going to make us all slaves or ruin our health? Come on, that's just wrong.

      Edit: And remember, it's not about being healthy and believing the virus wont kill you. The biggest damage was always letting the virus spread around like wildfire instead of trying to contain it. Anyone could get Covid and then spread it to their classroom or work environment, which now ends up screwing over hundreds of people instead of just you. It's actually ironic that all the arguments I'm making ARE in favor of nationalism.

      It's not cool to let your nation get sick and die of viruses. It's even worse to pretend that intentionally killing your neighbor because you refuse to wear a mask is even better. Everyone has a responsibility to not go around and make the world more miserable. Otherwise, this pandemic will never end and society continues to rot even further.

      [–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      I am seriously considering the possibility that you may be a shill. Your actions on this thread are not normal. No one makes 40 replys (some of them quite long) to a single thread in the span of a few hours. You are either in a state of nervous paranoia, or a shill. Your responses show me that you have abandoned the use of logic and reason.

       

      The coronavirus pandemic is one of the greatest medical hoaxs in human history. Governments around the world have put their countrys into some form of lockdown for a time period that now exceeds one year, in order to protect their people from a virus that has a survival rate of 99%. These lockdowns inflicted serious economic setbacks on the countrys that imposed them, and did far more damage to the people than the virus did. The number of deaths from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys have skyrocketed. But you don't care about any of that. You remain in the thrall of the fictitious media narrative about a doomsday virus that will destroy humanity.

      NONE of the solutions promoted by the government were shown to be effective in limiting the pandemic. Lockdowns didn't stop it: At best, they merely slowed it. Social distancing was useless. Contact tracing was useless. Masks had little or no effect. And now, we have before us the question of the experimental vaccines that were rushed into mass production. There are different vaccines that were produced by different companys. They have varying rates of effectiveness in inoculating the patient from infection. Some of them come with serious side effects, which are not discussed by the media.

      The vaccines are being aggressively pushed by the government, to the point that they seek universal vaccination of the entire population. They not only want healthy young adults to take the vaccine, they even want children to get vaccinated! Children are the lowest risk demographic of all, there is absolutely no reason for them to be forced into this. It isn't even clear whether or not they can be infected by the coronavirus at all. The government is seriously considering the use of vaccine passports, which are a form of medical tyranny. They want to put severe restrictions on those who refuse the vaccine.

      Remember, the lockdowns were originally imposed out of a fear of hospitals being overwhelmed by patients sick with the virus. That scenario never even came close to happening though, not even during the peak of the virus pandemic. And yet despite that, governments continue to impose lockdowns on their countrys, even though there is no longer a reason to do so. They have used psychological conditioning and catchphrases like 'flatten the curve' 'stop the spread' 'maintain social distance' in order to brainwash gullible people into compliance.

       

      For these reasons, I believe you are either a shill, or a paranoid moron.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      The coronavirus pandemic is one of the greatest medical hoaxs in human history. Governments around the world have put their countrys into some form of lockdown for a time period that now exceeds one year, in order to protect their people from a virus that has a survival rate of 99%. These lockdowns inflicted serious economic setbacks on the countrys that imposed them, and did far more damage to the people than the virus did.

      None of this comes without fault of the people who ignored these rules. Getting on airplanes and flying around for non-essential reasons, hosting illegal house parties that crammed 100+ or more people inside, showing up to work sick intentionally instead of isolating. The sad reality is we definitely could have saved those people who ended up dead from suicide and drug overdose, but running around screaming "Covid doesn't matter" was the absolute worst message to send and is still the reason we haven't pulled through this mess yet.

      The vaccines are being aggressively pushed by the government, to the point that they seek universal vaccination of the entire population. They not only want healthy young adults to take the vaccine, they even want children to get vaccinated! Children are the lowest risk demographic of all, there is absolutely no reason for them to be forced into this. It isn't even clear whether or not they can be infected by the coronavirus at all. The government is seriously considering the use of vaccine passports, which are a form of medical tyranny. They want to put severe restrictions on those who refuse the vaccine.

      Once again, the denial of the Covid pandemic and the fight against vaccines are going to be looked upon as the same people who preached Creationism or Flat Earth. It's the governments job to make sure society is functioning and healthy. The lack of rules and complete anarchy in these situations will only end up killing more people because certain individuals refuse to believe how entering a crowded supermarket and getting everyone sick is a bigger crime against humanity than just being told to wear a mask and do your shopping.

      There really shouldn't be a debate or conspiracy that wanting a healthier society is not a bad thing. I only want people vaccinated because I do care about your safety. I don't want you to take the chance and end up in the hospital breathing from an oxygen tube because you did end up like the unlucky ones who are dying of Covid. You can take the fight up against the government or the Elites, after society has eliminated Covid. But prolonging the virus even longer, especially now that mutated variants have entered our borders and are even more contagious/lethal is the path of supervillains. I don't want to get sick just doing my job. Be patient and life will eventually go back to normal for everyone.

      [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Nope, we're not having this conversation. You have obviously been 100% swindled by the coronavirus hoax. You accept the official story without any reservations at all. You have lost the ability to think rationally about this subject, and are reduced to spouting talking points and platitudes.

      Once again, the denial of the Covid pandemic and the fight against vaccines are going to be looked upon as the same people who preached Creationism or Flat Earth.

      Look at the choice of words you use. 'Covid denial' is a favorite buzzword of those who support the coronavirus hoax, with its attendant medical tyranny. Even worse, you compare corona skeptics to flat earthers and creationists in an attempt to stigmatise them. That is exactly what a shill would do. 'Don't ask questions, just do as your told!'

      There really shouldn't be a debate or conspiracy that wanting a healthier society is not a bad thing.

      HeAlThIEr soCIeTy.

      LOL. You support authoritarian lockdowns that have caused thousands of small companys to go out of business, and have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys. All in order to combat a virus that has a 99% survival rate. Which mainly targets the old and sick. Your position is contradictory.

      You can take the fight up against the government or the Elites, after society has eliminated Covid.

      You imbecile. The coronavirus hoax is the exact mechanism the elites will use to solidfy their control over society. Its all part of the great reset. And you stupidly argue that we should allow them to complete their plans. That would be the worst strategy imaginable. If the elites pull off the great rest, then it will be almost impossible to resist them afterwards.

      And again, thats ignoring the fact that the pandemic itself is a hoax. You are no longer in a position to fight the elites, because they have already succeeded in taking control of your mind. You might fancy yourself as an independent thinker who opposes tyrants, but you have swallowed their corona hoax whole.

      But the crusade being lead against medical vaccines is pure treachery. People are seriously tired and want life to go back to normal.

      You have accepted the false dichotomy imposed by the government, which can be summarized thus: 1) Either everyone gets vaccinated or 2) Everyone stays in lockdown.

      They dangle the promise of salvation before your nose like a carrot, telling you that normality will only return when you obediently follow orders. Why would you accept their false premise? Do you want to be a slave?

      You have free choice, so start exercising it. If people had stood up en masse to protest the lockdowns, the government would have backed down. But instead they cowered like sheep, and they are now locked in their homes.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Nope, we're not having this conversation. You have obviously been 100% swindled by the coronavirus hoax. You accept the official story without any reservations at all. You have lost the ability to think rationally about this subject, and are reduced to spouting talking points and platitudes.

      It's pretty hard to accept any other official story that doesn't make reference to a global virus whose consequences are in fact dire to anyone who is forced to interact with other people on a daily basis. Calling this a hoax is downright insulting, when many jobs right now involve sacrificing our health and safety in order to make sure your local supermarket still gets stocked with food, or that nurses and doctors can successfully look after the Elderly when no one else wants to.

      Look at the choice of words you use. 'Covid denial' is a favorite buzzword of those who support the coronavirus hoax, with its attendant medical tyranny. Even worse, you compare corona skeptics to flat earthers and creationists in an attempt to stigmatise them. That is exactly what a shill would do. 'Don't ask questions, just do as your told!'

      What do you have to be skeptical of? And more importantly, why do you want to get more people killed in the pursuit of all of this? If you want to ask questions, go ahead. But it's the act of denial and refusing to follow all recommended safety measures that makes you a villain right now. Real lives are at stake by pretending nothing at all matters. Lives that can't come back because reckless actions sent them to the hospital, or got them fired from work because businesses refuse to carry anymore burdens.

      HeAlThIEr soCIeTy. LOL. You support authoritarian lockdowns that have caused thousands of small companys to go out of business, and have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys. All in order to combat a virus that has a 99% survival rate. Which mainly targets the old and sick. Your position is contradictory.

      Look at the reasons for why lockdowns happen at all. People refused to stay home but instead decide to congregate and create more superspreader events. It's absolutely terrible to see many businesses get lost in this process but it's all based on cause and effect. By flaunting the rules and trying to convince other people to break them, you've actually created a bigger problem. That's why I'm baffled by the absolute insanity of calling it a hoax when the consequences are straight up blunt and felt by the public already. Do your part to limit contact with other people and the lockdowns would have ended far more sooner with far more businesses saved. That's not a hard choice at all. It all required patience.

      You imbecile. The coronavirus hoax is the exact mechanism the elites will use to solidfy their control over society. Its all part of the great reset. And you stupidly argue that we should allow them to complete their plans. That would be the worst strategy imaginable. If the elites pull off the great rest, then it will be almost impossible to resist them afterwards. And again, thats ignoring the fact that the pandemic itself is a hoax. You are no longer in a position to fight the elites, because they have already succeeded in taking control of your mind. You might fancy yourself as an independent thinker who opposes tyrants, but you have swallowed their corona hoax whole.

      You picked the worst time to try something like this. This is not how you fight the Elites, who already live in Ivory Towers and had the best medical treatment available to them from day one. You are literally encouraging all the middle and working-class people to commit suicide by not wearing a mask and coming into constant contact with each other. Repeating this foolish behavior month after month had ZERO EFFECT on making the Elites somehow fearful or less powerful. The Elites already have all the money they need and health experts on hand to survive any pandemic. The same can't be said for the guy who washes dishes for a living, or is a schoolteacher responsible for looking after your kids. These are your normal people and comrades on the ground you are willing to sacrifice in a failed crossfire exchange with the 1%.

      You have accepted the false dichotomy imposed by the government, which can be summarized thus: 1) Either everyone gets vaccinated or 2) Everyone stays in lockdown. They dangle the promise of salvation before your nose like a carrot, telling you that normality will only return when you obediently follow orders. Why would you accept their false premise? Do you want to be a slave? You have free choice, so start exercising it. If people had stood up en masse to protest the lockdowns, the government would have backed down. But instead they cowered like sheep, and they are now locked in their homes.

      I already explained why anarchy in a health crisis is dangerous. Having no rules at all is exactly how we see modern societies collapse and bodycounts begin to skyrocket. We can still have some control over this situation without turning into North Korea or China. Again, countries like Australia and New Zealand are great examples of what this balance looked like. Low deaths, low covid cases, with society actually beginning to open up again because it's proven to be safe.

      There is no sense in trying to rush this because it only resets every progress we made, forcing us to start over. And having to reset time and time again because the anti-vaxxers keep claiming none of this is real is what creates fatigue amongst all the essential workers who want this pandemic to be done.

      [–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You're a shill. This argument is futile.

      ''It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.''

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Many of your comments seem scripted. Tell me more about yourself.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Believe it or not, I only post during my free time. If I'm here, it means I'm still trying to catch up. There's a lot of news and books I like to follow.

      [–]88BitSorelianism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No I'm not going to get one, I'm young, and not overweight or obese, there is a 0% chance I could die from the virus. I also won't date/ marry a woman that has had it either, who knows what has happened to her from it, maybe she is sterile, maybe she'd make me sterile too, just speculating there but there isn't enough research into the long term effects of it on female fertility or even male fertility.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

      As of May 2nd, 1.16 Billion vaccines have been shot, or 7.6% of the world's population is fully vaccinated.

      I know this sounds like a lazy argument, but just look at the raw data. Do you see more vaccinated people dying, or those with actual Covid?

      Source:

      https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

      Edit: And even if Vaccines were secretly some bioweapon, what other choice do we got against a virus? You can look at India right now and they're getting destroyed by new variants everyday. If Covid is a rain of bullets that never end, a vaccine is your own personal shield or body armor. And any type of protection is better than walking around completely exposed and defenseless.

      https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/india-s-coronavirus-death-toll-hits-new-record-1.5410833

      https://globalnews.ca/news/7828802/india-covid-numbers-national-lockdown/

      [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      what other choice do we got against a virus?

      Viruses have been around longer than humans have and been with us for all of history. You don't need a vaccine for a novel flu if you are a healthy, non-elderly person. It isn't Black Death II

      None of this has made any sense since the start. Maybe the vaccines do exactly what they are supposed to do - but what does it say about our society that we freak out over a virus with a 99.98% survival rate such that we 'lock down' the economy and destroy the livelihoods of millions of people to save a couple million old, obese, or otherwise infirm people? This is either pure hysteria or otherwise a work of some kind by the elites, I don't see any reason to buy into or trust any of it

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      It's not about being healthy. It only takes one person to literally infect the entire world and the fallout has been people of all ages dying when they shouldn't have to.

      That's why it's a terrible idea to shrug this pandemic off. Covid's death count is still going, and hospital's can only accept so many patients.

      If we want this madness to end, then vaccines are the only option. Again, it's like giving everyone their own personal shield and the bullets get deflected instead of coming back.

      [–]sylla94 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      you're such a gay faggot

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        No matter how much you want to rationalize it, Covid-19 has more cons than pros.

        For example, even if you don't get sick, it's your tax dollars that still has to pay for all the ambulances and hospitals needed to save people.

        Or when schools get infected, they're forced to close down, leaving hundreds of kids stranded at home. And that's if they're lucky. A lot of parents can't even afford daycare or a babysitter, so that's a ton of stress they don't already need in their busy lives.

        It's only when we take the virus seriously, can life go back to normal.

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          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Every country that tried "herd immunity" ended up with record deaths in the beginning. It was never worth it.

          If you want to see examples of how to save your economy & population, then look at Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand. They enforced strict lockdowns and border restrictions and today are 99% virus free.

          Vietnam is also another example. They have 100 million people yet even their government knew the virus was a threat and took action. To this day, they only had 35 deaths. It doesn't have to an extreme scenario of throwing away lives and losing money.

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            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            It is possible that there were different Covid strains, namely one being Asian, and the other European. This is where the difference in mortality comes from.

            Regardless of which strain is more deadly, it's hard to deny WHY closing borders and enforcing strict limits on body movement wouldn't result in a safer society.

            The virus never swam across water and landed on each nation's shores. It all came from infected passengers who back then, failed to quarantine once they got off the plane and spread it to the rest of the country.

            [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

            Do you see more vaccinated people dying, or those with actual Covid?

            Covid death data is extremely unreliable. The waters have been muddied and it will be impossible to have clarity of data beause of this.

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

            Not true at all. Certain countries like South Korea & Israel made it a priority to keep a digital record of all Covid cases in the country. In third world countries, it's definitely harder to do this because of poverty, but we can still tell when they have a high death rate, when bodies are piling up outside of hospitals.

            Iran, at the start of 2020, was already proof that even when they tried to hide the numbers, the truth later came out and the virus was doing more damage than predicted.

            [–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

            Not true at all.

            Yes it is. How does your brain conflate "keeping digital records of covid cases" with "keeping accurate data"? Were comprehensive autopsies performed on all of those digital records where a death occurred to conclusively determined the mechanism of death? Do you not see the problem here?

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

            Were comprehensive autopsies performed on all of those digital records where a death occurred to conclusively determined the mechanism of death? Do you not see the problem here?

            No, because we have famous people who contracted the disease, tested positive, but died shortly later.

            If you're asking for an audit on this information, perhaps call your local hospital and ask them if anyone who died recently also tested positive? Seems like the fastest way to know.

            [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

            No, because we have famous people who contracted the disease, tested positive, but died shortly later.

            Okay, so you simply trust data simply due to it's existence and source. I don't think I have anything else to say to you.

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

            Okay, so you simply trust data simply due to it's existence and source.

            I actually have a little bit of experience with this. I turned down a job offer a few months ago to work for a local crematorium. They explicitly told me in the interview I would have to be touching bodies of deceased Covid patients. Unless you want me to call them for you and ask if they lied in the interview, I have strong reasons to believe that yes, anyone who did test positive but died later are part of that death toll.

            [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

            Again you're conflating what I'm saying. I accept that they are part of that death toll as they have been tagged.

            Do you actually think that having a job interview at a crematorium validates death data?

            I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

            Did you watch the CTV clip where they edited out the fact that ~99% of deaths were in long-term care homes?

            See here, 2 min mark

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfttOB2cy50 YouTube

            and stealth edit ~3:38

            https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2070509

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

            I don't accept the assumption that simply tagging them is adequate evidence of cause of death.

            Then look at actual positive test rates and see if there is a correlation to the amount of dead patients that hospitals were reporting. For example, New York's worst reporting periods were the months of April 2020 & January 2021. But the summertime saw cases dropping or nearly flatlining.

            [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

            The numbers aren't reliable.

            Example

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/11/amid-coronavirus-flu-cases-record-low/4127197001/

            During the 2019 flu season from Sept. 29 to Dec. 28, the CDC reported more than 65,000 cases of influenza nationwide. During the same period this flu season, the agency reported 1,016 cases.

            That is one miracle. Flu infections drop to 1.5% of the typical. Does this not set off an alarm in your head about the reliability of the data?

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Yes. Anti-vaxx bullshit is too stupid and it always follows the same pattern:

            • Anti-vaxxer bitches about it because needles are scary
            • Anti-vaxxer gets vaccine because he has to, to participate in society
            • Nothing happens

            These are old regurgitated memes. I can't wait until flat-Eartherism becomes mainstream, they probably have more evidence for flat Earth than what anti-vaxxers offer, they will actually give out some models they bothered to make instead of fake Facebook videos of some woman pretending to be paralyzed and some cheap second-hand stories.

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              [–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              That says absolutely nothing since we have no controlgroup. Millions of old people have been vaccinated over the course of 4 months so of course some people will get sick.

              [–]Dashing-Dove 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Anecdotally, four family members of mine have been vaccinated by Pfizer and experienced no side effects beyond a light immune response; one had a swollen lymph node near the injected arm, all were temporarily tired and achy, two had minor headaches. Symptoms ended after a few days and they've seemed completely normal for multiple weeks now, with no lingering problems.

              Keep in mind that the viral load on the body from a full-blown infection could be considerably worse, if not lethal, and Covid is likely here to stay or will remain prevalent for years. Your chance of acquiring it goes up and up, so from my perspective, why take the risk if immunization is available? The potential for long term damage from Covid has been proven, with elevated stroke risk, brain inflammation, cardiovascular and lung damage, etc.

              The conspiracy about population control through immunization also doesn't make a lick of sense to me, because mRNA is rapidly used up and vanishes from the body within days, and the spike proteins that your cells churn out are gradually degraded and removed after a few weeks, leaving nothing to be latently triggered by some heinous plan. The spike protein was also examined and doesn't resemble syncytin-1 (a placental protein) whatsoever, so it won't cause infertility like some initially feared. Normal births have already happened with vaccinated women. Fearmongers need to do their research, because as an initial skeptic, I did mine thoroughly and had my worries sufficiently relieved.

              The only reasons I would advise against taking the vaccine without a doctor's consultation is if you have a history of allergic reactions to injections, or if you've already recovered from Covid and are paranoid about some undiscovered long term impact of the vaccine, which I find highly doubtful but won't explicitly say is impossible.

              [–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Don't respond to this with details, but whatever your demographics are, unless you're obese, have pre-existing lung/heart problems (or other), are over 60, then I don't really see the point.

              [–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Yes the vaccines are clearly safe and effective, don't buy into the Q-tardisms. Get your vaccine partially to protect people around you and stop the spread and partially because covid19 can give long term side effects and severe viral infections are everything but healthy. Many cancers are connected to having being infected by various viruses earlier and up to 10% of people infected by covid get long term side effects.

              [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              What are your circumstances? How old are you? Do you have other conditions that put you at higher risk? Do you live with someone at higher risk?

              [–]Pink[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              I'm 19

              [–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              OK and the other factors?

              [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Please consider not taking the vaccine.

              [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Probably you have had it by now, but in general those vaccines have not yet been thoroughly tested so chronic effects aren't yet known. I would be cautious about an experimental vaccine for a flu virus, especially for people who aren't part of the endangered demographics.

              [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Worth reading if you care to. Basically about a report from the Salk Institute that has demonstrated the spikes of covid cause vascular problems

              https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/new-report-sheds-light-on-vaccine-doomsday-cult/

              https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

              “In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls. (Note– “Vascular endothelial cells line the entire circulatory system, from the heart to the smallest capillaries.”)

              The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2’s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.

              Previous studies have shown a similar effect when cells were exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this is the first study to show that the damage occurs when cells are exposed to the spike protein on its own.” (“The novel coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness”, Salk.edu)

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The COVID vaccine is much akin to COVID...if you get it, either you will survive or you won't. If you don't, then your worries are over until the next life. If you do, then either you will be healthy or screwed up. If you are healthy then you got nothing to worry about, until you have to take the vaccine again. If you are screwed up, then you can always apply for disability!