South Korea abolishes itself, fertility rate falls to .84

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-fertility-rate-idUSKBN2AO0UH

Imo, the ultimate indicator of a civilization's health is if its people are willing to reproduce themselves. South Koreas seem to only reproduce about 42% of themselves. Despite all the wealth, technological advancement and ethnic homogenity of the nation, its population can't find the will to continue their own existence.

Modernity simply drains a population of its soul, despite all the material comforts.

China is also languishing at 1.3-1.2 births per women with ferility at the high iq big cities like Shanghai hovering at .7.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/chinas-population-stands-at-1-41b/

For all their faults, non catholic Europeans still have sex and some kids. Catholicism really depresses fertility for some reason. The highest white fertility groups are all protestant or Orthodox. The lowest are all catholic with Bulgaria and Serbia being the only orthodox exception.

As juvenile as it might sound I think a big part of east asia's birth crisis comes down to the fact that east asian women feel little sexual attraction to their men. In the past they had to marry a man in order to eat but as they are now ''emancipated'' they don't bother with that shit.

Thus half of Japanese men are now virgin incels.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/09/16/national/social-issues/sexless-japan-almost-half-young-men-women-virgins-survey/

East Asian women are very K-selected and only want to marry when they find ''Mr. Right"

Plus extramarital children are frowned upon in these societies.

In the white world women are still sexually attracted enough to their men to get knocked up and have babies. Perhaps its not a coincidence that white fertility in Europe is highest among Scandinavians.

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[–]Chipit 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

Well, aren't these nations overcrowded anyway? Japan is stuffed to the gills with people.

I gotta admit I have some sympathy with those women. Asian men are a disaster area. Have no idea what to do with a woman, and are five-minute wonders in bed. It's one of the things that makes Asia so attractive for white male cads.

Agree with women, being removed from societal expectations, becoming extremely choosy and thus infertile. It used to be funny when shrieking feminists discovered that they would never meet Mr. Perfect and thus remain barren, and wrote hysterical newspaper columns about it. Now it's happening to too many good women in our society, while the worst have five kids from four different dads.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Asian men are a disaster area. Have no idea what to do with a woman, and are five-minute wonders in bed

Don't know about five minutes but studies show that they have the lowest T levels of any race and the smallest penis size. Indian men are the only men who have similarly small dicks and T levels. East Asian men are also the weakest males of any race, just eeking out over Indians in strength.

They are just not attractive. I mean they're not ugly as in its hard to look at them like most blacks. They are pleasant fellows. But they are just not attractive. You simply can't look at their face and see anything dashing or stunning. And there's research showing that women's orgasm and sexual satisfaction is directly tied to how attractive the man is.

Interestingly, the strongest men in the world are northern Europeans. The strongest being Swedes and Norweigans.

The fastest men are West African. Particularly the carribean negroes since they dominate the olympics. Perhaps they underwent physical eugenics? 11 million slaves were imported by the Spanish to the Carribeans and 90% of them died due to the tropical diseases and hard labor. I guess the strongest physical specimens survived the Spanish bred them to create future slaves.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I dunno man, 99% of Asian women prefer Asian men. It's just that that 1% is plenty to go around.

How can you say they're unattractive when every Asian country has an overpopulation problem? Obviously they're having sex, successfully.

And there's research showing that women's orgasm and sexual satisfaction is directly tied to how attractive the man is.

Hmm, I thought status and dominant personality was what women liked. Physical attractiveness comes in at around #4.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

99% of Asian women prefer Asian men

Lol no they don't. Data shows that they prefer white men over their own men, the only race of women to do so

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nope! That's the ones in America. I'm talking about the ones in their own countries.

Most of them aren't interested in white men, because they have a reputation for being love'em-and-leave'em scoundrels. They never buy houses or provide stable lives. And at any time, they can disappear back home without a word, leaving the woman high and dry.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

East Asian women - especially in East Asia - prefer white men even more than white women do: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255957196_Is_There_an_Own-Race_Preference_in_Attractiveness

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Use this source to prove your point: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255957196_Is_There_an_Own-Race_Preference_in_Attractiveness

[–]AidsVictim69 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I gotta admit I have some sympathy with those women. Asian men are a disaster area. Have no idea what to do with a woman, and are five-minute wonders in bed. It's one of the things that makes Asia so attractive for white male cads.

I don't. Creating a family and healthy society is more important than getting off. You can't throw sympathy towards them then lament Western women doing the same thing (choosing infertility and orgasm chasing over a family) in the next paragraph.

Asian women are also fairly unattractive on average, just like the average Asian man. Way too many white men overrate Asian women because it's relatively easy sex and they're still culturally feminine - the vast majority are flat and plain faced and mirror Asian men in attractiveness.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well yeah, obviously you cherry-pick the good looking ones. Plus, a western man's idea of what an attractive Asian woman is is different from their idea of what an attractive woman is, so there usually isn't much competition.

BUT they are by default thin. You can't overrate this one. There are plenty of butterfaces who, upon getting their clothes off, have fantastic bodies. As long as you can appreciate them for what they are instead of saying any woman without a baboon-like ass must be unattractive.

[–]Imperium 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah asian women are gorgeous.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

u/oneinchterror will never be with a female

[–]oneinchterror 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Still seething, huh?

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes

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    [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    (seems to be a custom or superstition of sorts, boys bring good luck or something?

    Girls grow up, marry their husbands, and move in with his family and take care of his parents. Sons take care of you in your old age. No sons = end up poor in a hut, and one day you fall, break your hip, can't move from the spot and starve to death because there's nobody to help you.

    [–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Whereas in Europe it seems to be the poorer Eastern European countries most affected

    Many Western/Central Euro nations have quite bad native fertility rate. Germany is something like 1.2 or 1.1. Never take their fertility rate at face value because it almost always includes high fertility immigrants.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    No. Almost pure German East Germany has higher fertility rates at 1.6. Native German rate is about 1.4 I guess

    [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No one is talking about cherry picking regions and East Germany has a comparatively (with West Germany) high rate of Slavic ancestry. National German fertility rate is around 1.6. "Non muslim" German fertility rate is 1.4 but you can probably knock off a couple of points excluding other higher TFR euro immigrants.

    In any case Germanys fertility rate is quite bad, amongst the worst in the world for natives.

    [–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Having spent time in Vietnam and Cambodia I question how communist they actually were. I have tried to discuss communism with Vietnamese and Cambodians outside their home countries and in private and their knowledge of the ideology is very low and they mainly seem to see it as uniting the country under a strong government. Communism for Vietnam pretty much means military dictatorship rather than collective ownership of the means of production. Neither Cambodia nor Vietnam were industrial countries before communism and in Cambodia they only were communist for a few years during which there was constant chaos. Cambodia never actually built a communist system and the communists were still busy tearing the old system down when they lost power.

    Vietnam and Cambodia were largely peasant societies and village life continued on during communism, the communists didn't really reorganize people's lives that much in practice. The main difference is that Vietnam got a large and corrupt military that needs to be bribed or else they will harass you. Vietnamese people are by far the most moneygrabbing people in Asia and they behave like arabs once they smell money. But their village life is not that effected.

    Countries like Russia and Ukraine have a lifestyle similar to people who grew up lower middle class in the west but ended up on minimum wage. High levels of single mothers and really depressive industrialtowns that have been decaying for decades where the young people leave. After going to college people get a job that pays too little to live well so people end up sharing a dumpy appartment with 3 friends and have little disposable income. Making 300 euros a month and living with two friends in a small apartment in Kiev while working 40 hours a week in an office isn't exactly a lifestyle that encourages having many children.

    [–]PaxClownicahorses 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Seems like you're well travelled. What's the general opinion of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians regarding the 1917 revolution? From my experience online many condemn the early bolsheviks for backstabbing Russia, but don't really oppose the Soviet Union in it's later decades.

    [–]Wrangel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Honestly the subject never seems to come up. These issues seem to be topics people from those countries don't like to talk about as much as one would think.

    [–]EuropeanAwakening14 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Developed nations are all overpopulated. Especially places like Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc. The problem is mass immigration and non Whites growing the population while Whites decline, forcing us to have to advocate for higher White fertility to compete which could hurt us down the line when we win.

    [–]Nasser 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I think countries like South Korea need a population decline, it's a country the size of Ireland yet with 50 million people, that isn't healthy. Some old folk may suffer but if they could be convinced its for the greater good of their people, in particular with Asian family tradition, I'd say most would have a poorer last few years if it meant their children would have a better future.

    I think the same idea needs to be applied to the older White/European generations as well.

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The problem is that young people do all the buying in a society. Remove them and the country suffers an economic collapse. Countries like Germany are on their last legs right now. Another 5-10 years and their consumption will crash, resulting in a cascade of negative events.

    [–]TheWorldToCome 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Populations don't need to grow bigger and bigger all the time. I am so sick of hearing people talk about the birth rate. Natural populations contracting isn't inherently a bad thing

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Capitalism requires infinite growth, or the whole system collapses.

    You can start by looking at the pension system. Try and tell Boomers they deserve less money when they retire, because the tax base to support them has now shrunk.

    [–]TheWorldToCome 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Capitalism requires infinite growth

    Yes this is another common trope, how is it so that it requires infinite growth?

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Imagine where Capitalism would be if say... everyone started with a $1 but you can only make $2 profit max? No, there was always someone who wanted to make $10 profit. Followed by $1000. And then a million, and a billion and now a trillion.

    Now, you could stop this process, but that's exactly how you end up with Socialism.

    Fine, everyone now makes $100. But everything is also worth $100 max. And because there's no longer an incentive to increase profits, society as a whole stagnates or worse. Mass starvation.

    The USSR vs USA was already a textbook example of why this can't work. The Soviets tried to catch up with America by putting out higher and higher production quotas while also having to fulfill their own consumer needs, but it just crashed in the end.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Unironically, doesn't North Korea have a birth rate of 2.0? Maybe their plan all along was to play the long game and absorb South Korea in the future?

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Catholicism really depresses fertility for some reason.

    This is false. France has one of the highest white birth rates and it's Catholic.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Poland, Italy and Spain would beg to disagree. Is there even any data on white french birth rates?

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Poland, Italy and Spain would beg to disagree.

    Hungary is Catholic and has seen a small but consistent raise in their birth rates.

    Is there even any data on white french birth rates?

    I remember Greg Johnson talking about it with a French identitarian.

    [–]Imperium 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    "As juvenile as it might sound I think a big part of east asia's birth crisis comes down to the fact that east asian women feel little sexual attraction to their men."

    Can you blame them? Asian men are natural cucks and asian women worship white men. Asian women are not theirs. Theyre ours. Theyre our natural sex slaves. We should openly claim them and offer them a protected status as concubines. Asian women would love to be part of a harem serving us. Why deny us and them the pleasure?

    "Thus half of Japanese men are now virgin incels."

    Good now we need to take all those young japanese women. Theyre waiting for us to sexually conquer them.

    "East Asian women are very K-selected and only want to marry when they find ''Mr. Right""

    They dream of Mr. White taking them away.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Are u 15?

    [–]Imperium 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Lololol

    [–]lolikon69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I've always felt that asians are the most submissive macro race there is (jews being second with whites and blacks last). The women in South Korea won't fuck their men if they dont have a 1500 dollar jacket. https://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/news-analysis/why-puffer-jackets-are-so-popular-in-korea