If you were POTUS or leader of some other Western country, what would you do to combat the obesity epidemic?

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A stunning 73% of Americans are overweight/obese, with other Western countries unfortunately not that far behind--64% of Canadians, 63% of Brits, 60% of Germans, etc. The problem continues to grow and grow with pretty much no signs of slowing down. It's shameful that we've let our societies turn to this.

If you were the leader of a country with this problem, what would you realistically do to turn the tides? Nationalize and provide free gyms? Tax cuts for the healthy? Laws against the fat?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

For the majority of Americans the obesity problem in the United States will never be solved. Why? Because if you want to lose weight you're told to seek certified medical advice. Certified medical advice on weight loss is dead wrong. In fact, unless you're going to a small handful of rebellious doctors and dietitians you're never going to get the proper weight management advice.

Even when you get the right advice on weight loss you have the uphill battle of a food environment and social network that will not look kindly on you eating and looking different. People will subtly pull you back into their own bad eating habits because they subconsciously don't want you looking and feeling better then they do. If you succeed it would prove them wrong and they'd have a daily visual reminder that they are misinformed, lazy or both.

It's in the interest of the medical establishment and the university system to keep the lie about obesity going the same way it's in the anthropology departments interest to keep egalitarianism going and poly sci department to keep 'humanism' and marxism going.

The other thing that's really frustrating to me is people are shamed into just accepting and doubling down on their obesity. They are told they are simply lazy and weak and moral reprobates. While many obese people are reprobates and hedonists it's not as connected as you might think.

Most weight loss is related to food type, food quality, general health, and food timing. Fix those and you will lose weight. Often drastic amounts of weight.

Last but not least, you don't have to live a fitness buff or working mans lifestyle to lose weight. Even the dissident right dabbles in perpetuating this myth. Men and women in the past weren't fit because they did physical labor all day. Men and women in the past were thin because they weren't exposed to industrial food products.

So I really can't answer your question. POTUS can't fix obesity in the US because it's truly a systemic problem. Obesity is an outgrowth of the matrix of Jew lies we live with everyday. POTUS would have to name the academic Jew, the fast food jew, the sugar jew, the manufacturing jew, the water supply jew, the grain supply jew, etc etc. That's never going to happen.

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The physical labor helped. When doing laundry alone involved a heavy amount of scrubbing, hanging things along a line to dry, rinse and repeat (lel) for everyone in the household, linens, etc.-- this is all some pretty decent amount of calories burned. Likely smaller food portions helped keep them more slender as well.

The low fat, low sodium diets that are recommended heavily now are pretty awful for you though. The human body needs fats to create steroid hormones. We need sodium for fucking everything, definitely not in the levels of processed foods but not having processed foods would be enough to take care of that much. There's a lot that goes into it all, but these dietary recommendations are generally horrible, and I'm surprised they're still used by medical professionals outside of cases involving the kidneys and the goings on around them.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

The physical labor helped.

I'm not totally dismissing this. However, it's a much smaller piece of the picture. You can lose weight and be sedentary all day and you can gain weight while being physical all day. It's a lot more about the food, food timing, and hormones. If the body is healthy and you're eating the right foods your body creates a set point. Which keeps you from gaining a lot or losing a lot if your physical activity varies. That's also why so many people fail at weight loss. They don't see immediate results from changes they make so they don't stick with them. Takes a long time for a new set point to be established. Your body always tries to achieve homeostasis.

Likely smaller food portions helped keep them more slender as well.

This is another myth. It might be true that our ancestors were eating smaller portions but it has very little to do with weight loss. You can gain weight and eat small portions. You can lose weight and eat small portions. The biggest problem here is the paradigm of 'calories'. The modern obesity epidemic is almost totally a result of this obsession of caloric intake and the seemingly logical conclusion that if you reduce calories you will lose weight. Most people that reduce caloric intake will gain weight. It's a black box problem that people can't wrap their minds around.

The low fat, low sodium diets that are recommended heavily now are pretty awful for you though.

Agreed.

The human body needs fats to create steroid hormones.

Not just fat but good quality fats that have not been over-processed, adulterated, oxidized, or turned rancid. People need to get industrial seed oils out of their diets at all costs if they want a chance at a healthy body composition.

The human body needs fats to create steroid hormones.

Absolutely and a proper hormone profile is key to weight stabilization and then weight loss if desired.

We need sodium for fucking everything, definitely not in the levels of processed foods but not having processed foods would be enough to take care of that much.

Agreed. The low sodium craze was wrong headed. A healthy human is pretty good at regulating sodium. Very low sodium consumption is way more dangerous then high sodium consumption. It's all the other shit food people were eating with the high sodium that was causing the problem.

There's a lot that goes into it all, but these dietary recommendations are generally horrible

That's an understatement.

and I'm surprised they're still used by medical professionals

I'm not. Very few medical professionals are willing to stand up against the medical 'system' they are content to just collect a paycheck and not buck the trend. There are billions of dollars of industry monies flowing into keeping the current 'recommendations' in place. If you get a chance check out the youtube channel low carb down under. It's got a team a awesome research and doctors trying to reanalzye the entire food environment. Bob Lustig is awesome. Ivor Cummins is great. Dr. Fung and Dr. Bikman are my two favorites though. Their lectures rock. Fung is singlehandedly bringing fasting back in vogue. Another good youtube channel is Analyze and Optimize. Younger guys but they do a great job digging deep on certain topics.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The modern obesity epidemic is almost totally a result of this obsession of caloric intake and the seemingly logical conclusion that if you reduce calories you will lose weight.

There are other factors at play here potentially. Let's say you have a person with weight issues that's taking medication for their blood pressure. Anything that fools around with cardiac output is going to reduce caloric requirements, but calorie requirements can also depend on about a billion different things that aren't super obvious. Having a hormone panel pulled, checking thyroid function, taking a peek at what you're eating and determining if there's a massive amount of calories from carbohydrates, taking into consideration water retention from hormone level fluctuations or foods that cause your specific body to hold onto excess fluids.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

checking thyroid function,

This is especially true. Age plays a role. As does gender. Women hold weight differently and have some other factors to consider like estrogen cycles, menopause, number of children,etc. Women seem to have a higher prevalence of thyroid dysfunction but personally I think that environmental as well.

Side note: what are your thoughts on iodine?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3113168/

This is a study exploring estrogen's role with the thyroid.

I've read articles on the soil used for veggie growth lacking sufficient nutrients, specifically iodine. Eating plentiful seafood or foods high in iodine would help, in theory. I probably would need to look at studies within a country like Japan and see if there's iodine insufficiencies/thyroid issues. What are your thoughts on it?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

My degree is history. Diet stuff is just a little side hobby so I can't really speak with a lot of specificity. I went down the iodine rabbit hole a few months ago when I read this pol screenshot.

https://i.postimg.cc/CK70gY3F/1624164093576.jpg

Made sense so I tried some supplementation and it's been going well. For the most part I don't do too much supplementation at all. I mainly just try to eat well, get sun, and exercise. If you want a more technical write up on iodine I believe Raypeat did an article on it.

http://raypeat.com/articles/

The Japanese are definitely getting high levels of iodine with no ill effects. The seaweed consumption is high. (I'm curious if they have lower levels of thyroid problem than westerners?). I think that the daily value of iodine recommendation in the states is way too low.

The other reason I looked into iodine supplementation was on my journey into ways to reduce xenoestrogen uptake and increase test naturally. I got into that particular rabbit hole from Bronze Age Pervert.

You can read about it in my write up here.

https://www.saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7734/reducing_endocrine_disruptors_in_your_life/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I ordered some, so I guess I'll monitor results. It's funny, because it's been about that amount of time since I was trying to look for iodized salt that didn't taste like acrid ass. I was using Himalayan pink salt with all the mineral fixins, but I don't eat sea anything. I can smell and taste far more than should be allowed by the human body, and anything that's been in the ocean or water has the taste of dirty water to me, whether it's fresh or not. I have suspected that it's the iodine, hilariously, so I'll have a laugh if I end up gulping down a glassful of the iodine supplement and it has the same flavor.

I remember that thread. I discussed ashwagandha with you there under a previous username that I forgot the password for. Did you end up trying the KSM-66 variant with the whole ground herb?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I have suspected that it's the iodine, hilariously, so I'll have a laugh if I end up gulping down a glassful of the iodine supplement and it has the same flavor

It does have a bit of a flavor. I like mine in a small amount of apple or orange juice. I've been taking it with a bit of salt and zinc. I try to take it after eating. If I take zinc and iodine on an empty stomach it makes me a little nauseated.

I discussed ashwagandha with you there under a previous username that I forgot the password for.

Awesome. Yes I remember that convo! I enjoyed conversing with you. Because of you I didn't give up on ashwaganha. I did switch suppliers though. The stuff I'm using now seems a bit better. I'm not sure if it's the 'ksm-66' variant but this is what I'm using now.

https://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/ashwagandarootpowder.aspx

I'm still trying to get dosing right. Seems like if I use to much if flushes my skin. Reminds me a little of a preworkout mix.

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28829155/

Study regarding ashwagandha's effects on subclinical (not incredibly obvious, may go missed) hypothyroidism. Since ashwagandha directly impacts the thyroid, you'll want to take very careful notice of any changes. You possibly might even want to have levels checked for TSH, T3, and T4 to make sure that you're within clinically healthy ranges if you're supplementing both. Things to look out for: bulgy gravedigger eyes, feeling too warm all the time, irritability, out of place weight loss. Just keep note, but it's definitely better to get a visual on paper of the levels. There are cases where excessive iodine intake has actually led to hyperthyroidism and others of hypothyroidism to take into consideration.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0173722

Back to ashwagandha: KSM-66 is a variant that they've used with the most successful studies that I've seen. The powdered is just something that it might be a good idea to take separately to make sure that you're getting every part of the herb, instead of only the standardized one. It gives some people energy, and knocks some people out. I don't know why it would give you a flush off the top of my head, but is it similar to the appearance of niacin flush? I'm glad you got back to me on how it's going and that you didn't give up because of it. And yeah, that was a pretty great little chat.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd start off by culling most of the advertising industry, medical industry, and food industry that have manufactured these conditions. An obese unhealthy person is just an endless money printer for these subhumans.

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A good start, indeed. Big Pharma and Big Agrofood are poisoning people.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Make heavy metal toxicity detection and detoxification universally available and mandatory on the same basis as a M.D. taking the patient's vital signs.

Because that is the most common cause of obesity.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

Follow Japan's example. Their approach seems very based.

https://www.mic.com/articles/84521/japan-has-cut-obesity-to-3-5-in-a-controversial-way-that-wouldn-t-fly-in-america

Citizens must adhere to government-mandated waistline limits or face consequences. The government has established waistline limits for adults ages 40 to 74. Men must maintain a waistline at or below 33.5 inches; for women, the limit is 35.4 inches. The "metabo law" went into effect in 2008, with the goal of reducing the country's overweight population by 25% by 2015. The government's anti-obesity campaign aims to keep "metabolic syndrome" — a number of factors that heighten the risk of developing diabetes and vascular diseases, such as obesity and high blood pressure, glucose and cholesterol levels — in check, thus minimizing the ballooning health care costs of Japan's massive aging population. Those who stray beyond the state-mandated waistlines are required to attend counseling and support sessions. Local governments and companies that don't meet specific targets are fined, sometimes quite heavily.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (40 children)

Completely insane.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

Why is requiring people to have healthy lifestyles insane?

[–]peaceful✞ 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

Because no sane person wants a dictator micro-managing their lives, especially enjoyments.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

Do you realize how nauseating and adolescent you sound? Were not talking about dictators micro managing lives here were talking about living in a society where people have certain rights but also certain responsibilities. Obesity is an anti-social manifestation. In no sane society should a person have the right to the 'freedom' to behave in ways that are harmful and costly to others. If you are too disgusting and lazy to shower and use deodorant before you get on the bus it is not your right and freedom to stink up that bus for the rest of the passengers. You have a duty to not behave in such an irresponsible manner and if you refuse to comply you have to be punished or coerced into curbing your antisocial behaviour.

Obesity costs the health care system 100s of billions of dollars and if you refuse to 'micro manage' your own life to prevent yourself from becoming obese then you are failing yourself and the people around you and there needs to be intervention.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you realize how authoritarian and bootlicking you sound? You sound like a kike.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You sound like a kike.

I didn't realize enforcing standards was a 'kike' thing. I was under the impression that every single functioning society in human history actually did that because only insane people value people's 'freedom' over the consequences and that it was actually Jews themselves who promoted social libertinism through among other means the Frankfurt School in an effort to turn Gentiles into worthless consumers more concerned with their right to buy a new dildo than their responsibility to contribute to their volk.

Or did I misread history?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We're not libertarians. We're not conservatives. We're dissidents and many of us are fascists or fascist apologists.

I am a fascist. I want a system where the hive works together to achieve great things. The individual is not more important than the collective. Many individuals working together and sacrificing for the whole drive the race to great achievements. Your race is your extended family and there's value in giving yourself up to it. You don't achieve greatness with a bunch of fat hedonic degenerate coomers. You do it with team work, genetic hygiene, pride, family building, fitness, generational collaboration, etc. etc. Every great nation and every people that have achieved complex society has realized these truths. The truth: You get what you incentive. You reap what you sow.

If you're struggling with this it's probably because you were born, lived and will die under a state and government that is hostile to you. You live in a fallen place. Imagine living with a racial family working as a team. Imagine a state that actual shares your dreams and goals. Imagine living under national government worth dying for. Envision that nation and you will understand fascism better.

The authority of the State was not a product, but a presupposition. It could not depend on the people, in fact, the people depended on the State… The Fascist state, on the other hand, is a popular state, and, in that sense, a democratic State par excellence… Every citizen shares a relationship with the State and is so intimate that the State exists only in so far as it is made to exist by the citizen.“ — Giovanni Gentile

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You are confused as to what I was meaning.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You called literalotherkin authoritarian. You do realize that many of us a fascists right? Fascists aren't anti authority.

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You aren't all fascists, neither am I anti-authority. I would just not call myself an authoritarian, and I wouldn't subscribe to the tactics of any of those powerful authorities from the past.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am now sure it is one.

[–]peaceful✞ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I think stinking up a bus is more offensive to a person than obesity costs. There is a lot of money that can be allocated for health care if we want freedom to eat. My view is only subjective, the cost is worth the freedom.

But by your reasoning guns should be illegal since they will always cause mass shootings, murders and associated costs. Where do you draw the line in limiting freedoms? The answer is contingent on subjectivity.

[–]peaceful✞ 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not libertarian and you don't need to troll. The question proposed is what would you do if you were POTUS, in other words if we had an alt-right government. Ending multiracialism would be far more important than your health tyranny.

[–]WorldSharp[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The question proposed is what would you do if you were POTUS, in other words if we had an alt-right government.

Not necessarily. Being cryptofash is a viable tactic to pass an agenda.

I plan on entering politics, and believe it or not, it's probably going to be as a Democrat.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know what the question proposed is and I'm giving my opinion on it. Reducing military expenditure and taking preventive action as a state to stop people from destroying their health by becoming obese are not mutually exclusive ideas. You can do both. Also I'm not just going to take say 300 billion dollars out of the military budget and just use that to treat people who have by their own decisions destroyed their health.

Also only an insane libertarian thinks preventative intervention in someone's life to stop them from bad behaviour that hurts themselves and more importantly their society is impinging upon their 'freedom'. You may not call yourself a libertarian but that's an idea that is fundamentally libertarian in its nature where personal liberty comes first and everything else be damned.

I wholeheartedly reject that kind of lunacy and it's the reason why libertarians are so irrelevant and fringe.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

But by your reasoning guns should be illegal since they will always cause mass shootings, murders and associated costs. Where do you draw the line in limiting freedoms? The answer is contingent on subjectivity.

Society needs guns to ward off predators. Why do you need a Big Mac & Pepsi everyday? Start drinking water and eat a salad instead.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Most fat people are farmers who toil from sunrise to sunset and have time to engorge themselves on their labor? Please...

    By the way, I've never seen this much defense for sugary foods and other useless junk. Are you being paid by McDonalds so no one can be weeded from their toxic sludge they serve everyone? Eating an apple isn't actually meant to give you cancer or raise your risk of heart disease.

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      [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You have far more dangerous predators, and far more numerous, because of guns.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Naw, guns are safe when they're in the right hands.

      Remove "inner city violence" and America's homicide rate would mirror that of Europe.

      But we can absolutely live without Mcdonalds and junk food, whereas guns at least serve some kind of purpose.

      These companies are only selling this stuff because they suckered enough people into believing it's real food when it's just recycled trash. It's just like Tobacco companies of the past who convinced the public cigarettes were harmless. Except when it gave everyone lung cancer, they started going out of business. Fast food is just your ticket to getting a heart attack or diabetes with no other benefits.

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Just lose weight, stop with the cope

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think stinking up a bus is more offensive to a person than obesity costs.

      Sounds like you've never had to pay taxes.

      But by your reasoning guns should be illegal since they will always cause mass shootings, murders and associated costs.

      No by my reasoning much like in Switzerland I'd make gun ownership for Whites mandatory but also fund shooting ranges and other methods that help people use guns in an efficient manner. As usual though every single time you talk with a libertarian you're only one or two sentences away from terrible comparison or loony hypothetical usually involving guns.

      Where do you draw the line in limiting freedoms?

      I draw the line as far away from wherever libertarians say it is and start from there. It's actually a pretty good technique. With foreign policy I just go to Max Boot or Bill Kristol's twitter and figure out the right thing to do by doing the opposite of what they say and it's the same with libertarians like you. Always do the opposite.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      I had the healthiest lifestyle, and suddenly ballonned into a fatso while reducing calories. Even with my 10,000 hours of study of human biology, I was dumbfounded. I went from bodybuilder to butterball in a few months after being in the best shape of my life, through the science of diet, training, and resting.

      Hm, if being obese is 100% about lifestyle, then I'm still in great shape. But the mirror doesn't think so.

      What gives? What's going on? Did reality break on me? Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE you know EVERYTHING there is to know about what can cause obesity?

      Wait, it's u/tinymind again.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      Funny every single fatso -- especially women -- who blames everyone but their own choices always has a story that sounds really similar to yours and usually revolves around them being the healthiest person in the world then suddenly it all going wrong for reasons they can't understand. Of course it's never their responsibility in the story it just sort of happened.

      BTW genuinely I hope getting the heavy metal levels in your system reduced helped you, piggy. Did it help?

      (Don't take it so personal BTW. Let's forget all that unpleasantness over you thinking a blanket and a hankie were a genocide and being wrong! I've forgotten it and so should you.)

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      If your mind were less tiny, you could easily realize that the topic has been studied and has actual scientific grounds.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6268112/

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Good, good. So did you get your metal levels sorted out and get back to fitness? That's all I'm interested in now. No point just bickering.

      (I actually said I agree with you that people should have it tested and be aware of it in case you missed it and nor do I disagree that it's a factor among many in weight gain.)

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Are you pretending to actually care now? How transparent.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      I'd prefer to learn whether or not a White guy overcame a health problem rather than just endlessly bicker I guess so yes I do care and I'm not joking.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Wow. What a turn-around from full-on, absolute toxicity to "hey I'm on your side bro."

      No, I've been extremely ill for 14 years, with doctors unable to discover what was wrong with me until I, through my own research and due diligence, very recently found it out. Getting these metals out is not easy, it will take me another 2-5 years.

      I still dream about working out, even though it's been 11 years without going into a gym.

      Nowadays taking a walk can literally kill me.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I went from bodybuilder

      Out of interest did you ever use steroids?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      You cannot force healthiness on anyone. Do you support liberty? That is the exact issue we are having right now, albeit phrased under the guise of a pandemic rather than a wave of obesity.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      No I don't support 'liberty' when it is opposed to the general good. Nearly everything I hate is proposed to the population as a liberty that somehow people posess that it would be wrong for you to infringe upon because that would be an affront to the liberty of the person in question. Multiracialism is framed in terms of the liberty of the minority, homosexuality is framed in terms of the liberty of the homosexual, financial exploitation by banks is framed as it being a liberty they posess to exploit people. In fact nearly everything I despise people argue for it on the basis that it would be illiberal to work against it. 'Liberty' is the most pernicious form of political control because it convinces the enslaved that they are actually free.

      Also you can force anything on anyone. Coercing and cajoling a population into healthy lifestyles is what any decent society would do.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      "Coercing and cajoling a population into healthy lifestyles is what any decent society would do."

      You don't coerce or cajole, that's what kikes do. You convince through proper discussion and presenting evidence. Sometimes this doesn't work, but you don't go full blown authoritarian with it.

      I believe in homogenous societies run by democratic clans and kings. I support much of what you say you support, but I don't pick up my enemies philosophies and become a confused bootlicker, unlike you.

      Liberty is something most of us do not deserve but should receive anyways. Once someone chooses to do evil with their liberty, something can be done. You see to want to limit all sorts of things from the get go, like making laws like blanket statements, and Innocents will indeed be caught in the crossfire.

      You seem to forget that ancient societies that wee homogenous either turned out to be quite friendly and open, albeit strong and unchanging in their traditions, or violent and oppressive, and constantly changing. Homogenous societies aren't always great, sometimes the base genetic stock is countered by horrible spiritual beliefs. I'm thinking of the ancient Semitic societies here, like Sumer.

      I don't care about your views on freedom and liberty, because you misunderstand my own views. I don't believe in liking or helping people with making their free choices, however I believe in protecting myself when their choices become negative for us all. That's the situation we are in now, where they start abusing their freedoms.

      I'm not going to take them away from others just because they are scary with how they use it. Id be careful, like as surgeon, cutting away the malignant life to leave behind that which is healthy. You would simply cut it all away. You don't realize that for real change to occur you have to guide people into using their freedoms in a healthy manner, rather than coerce and cajole.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You convince through proper discussion and presenting evidence. Sometimes this doesn't work, but you don't go full blown authoritarian with it.

      I've talked to thousands of people and used proper discussion and evidence. I'd choose actual state power to do these things over rational discussion every day of the week. That has nothing to do with 'kikes'. That's how most societies have worked in history.

      I believe in homogenous societies run by democratic clans and kings. I support much of what you say you support, but I don't pick up my enemies philosophies and become a confused bootlicker, unlike you.

      I don't understand what this means. I want to use state power to further my goals. Again I don't know what this has to do with being a bootlicker. Were the NatSocs merely in favour of authoritarianism simply because they adopted Jewish ideas? This makes no sense to me.

      Liberty is something most of us do not deserve but should receive anyways. Once someone chooses to do evil with their liberty, something can be done. You see to want to limit all sorts of things from the get go, like making laws like blanket statements, and Innocents will indeed be caught in the crossfire.

      I'm simply saying that obseity is a profoundly anti-social and 'evil' tendency that society should take steps to avoid. All laws have the potential to persecute innocent people that doesn't mean they should be abandoned. I believe in the death penalty though I'm in no doubt that this law will in some cases condemn the innocent to death.

      I don't care about your views on freedom and liberty, because you misunderstand my own views.

      Likewise.

      I don't believe in liking or helping people with making their free choices, however I believe in protecting myself when their choices become negative for us all. That's the situation we are in now, where they start abusing their freedoms.

      100% agree.

      I'm not going to take them away from others just because they are scary with how they use it.

      I would but I'd replace 'scary' which is an emotiional term with deleterious. That's where we disagree.

      Id be careful, like as surgeon, cutting away the malignant life to leave behind that which is healthy.

      Bad analogy. I'm not talking about forced euthinasia I'm talking about sensible policies that make people turn towards healthy lifestyles.

      You don't realize that for real change to occur you have to guide people into using their freedoms in a healthy manner, rather than coerce and cajole.

      Guide, coerce, cajole. It's all the same. We're simply talking about a difference of terms here. I agree that the state should 'guide' people into better behaviour in all sorts of ways.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      "Guide, coerce, cajole. It's all the same."

      Here is where we truly disagree.

      [–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      East Asians have significantly better baseline glucose tolerance than Europeans and Africans.

      Japan also eats way less sugar per capita.

      Legislation won't make s meaningful difference.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Openly talk about it, and authentic solutions (not for profit), directly, repeatedly.

      They don't care about us.

      [–]AirSeddit88 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Tax sugar.

      Sugar is a drug, a poison that makes us feel good. And then the body shuts down fat metabolism to consume the sugar. Blood sugar spikes, then drops, making us hungry for more sugar. It appears to me that fats are a much more stable energy source. Sugar is also carcinogenic, and speeds aging.

      I control my sugar since a diabetes diagnosis. Easiest weight I ever dropped. I'm no longer diabetic, and I feel great.

      [–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Massive sugar taxes. Fructose is largely what behind the modern obesity epidemic. Closely followed by the shitty 'eat low fat' advice.

      Your body weight is almost entirely controlled by your appetite, and that is heavily influenced by your genetics and what you eat . It's well known putting people on certain drugs can cause weight loss or gain.

      Sugar screws up your insulin sensitivity and causes weight gain.

      If you have crappy insulin sensitivity it's probable that if you eat a lot of carb you won't feel full when you should.

      People need to eat less sugar and less carb. Affecting the cost of this is by far the easiest way to cut consumption.

      Everyone thinks fat people are lazy pigs until something fucks up your appetite. So many steroid using patients have a 'oh' moment after being skinny their whole life.

      [–]peaceful✞ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree with all this. Cutting added sugars from foods and educating people about how to be thin.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      People are obese because they are POISONED.

      Even u/tinymind should be able to understand that toxic substances destroy the normal function of organs, and when these organs break down, the symptoms can take many forms. For some it's mental illness, for others it's weight loss, and for yet others, weight gain. And this is by far the most common, along with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, etc.

      [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

      How bout letting people be free? Why penalize it?

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

      -Fatso gets on the Bus

      -He now takes up 4 seats that could go towards kids and healthy people instead despite not paying extra.

      Also, being fat is just hideous to look at. If I wanted to watch Shrek, I'd rent a DVD.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

      And you're assuming fat people are fat through some fault of your own.

      See, even in these circles where people think they know about disinformation, they really don't.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      People are fat because they consume more calories than they burn off. It's as simple as that. It's so funny because you call it disinformation that obesity is the result of bad personal choices which it obviously is but repeat propaganda that comes straight out of the 'fat positivity' movement. Boo hoo healthy at any size and also its not my fault as I sit here shovelling cake into my gob it's glandular...

      As Ricky Gervais once joked its not glandular its greed.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Such a small mind. You should go back to s/[n-word]areshit.

      Tell me Ô great scientist of metabolism, what is the effect of mercury, cadmium, aluminum, lead and / or arsenic on the mitochondria and how does that affect your "simple equation of calories in / calories out"?

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Yeah you are speaking out of your ass. You know nothing about metabolism and biology. What if the mitochondria make nearly zero energy because their inner workings are disrupted? And then what if your liver is, through dysfunction, hellbent on making bodyfat with everything you eat? Yeah, you're in way over your head, kiddo.

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          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You seem so informed, why the mindless drivel? OK replace "All" by a high number. 90%? 80%? Pick whichever one you like mkay.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          One factor among hundreds. There's many way to counter the effects of slowed metabolism as well it's not the only thing we're dealing with here. Obviously exercise and diet are the two factors people could control the most but in your other comment you recommended testing for heavy metals in people and using methods to reduce it which I'd fully support if I were POTUS. You're still not going to magically get thin if you get rid of heavy metals though. You need exercise and diet.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          Anyone under 18 years old, I'm willing to grant exceptions.

          But those over 18 years old don't get sympathy. Just like smoking cigarettes, no one is actually forcing you to buy a double big mac combo. Or hopping inside your car to pick up mail instead of walking to the mailbox.

          By the way, I WANT TO help fatsos. I'm not saying these things out of spite. It's because I do care and want to see them shed the pounds instead of being a fat sack of crap that holds society back.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          You really have zero idea about the science of metabolism. I'd STFU and start by learning it completely FOR STARTERS.

          Then maybe we can have a conversation.

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            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            You clearly have zero understanding of the processes of human biology.

            You are using first-grader logic on extremely complex processes to justify your hubris and preconceived ideas. Bravo.

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              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              You think somebody goes from a shape you would KILL FOR, from extreme workouts, fantastic nutrition, all the proper regimen, for 19 years straight, to being obese and so sick I'll die if I take a WALK out of laziness? How insanely retarded are you?

              According to your cesspool logic I went from the most disciplined, mindful and hard working individual for 19 years, achieving awesome results and a one in a million physique, to a shithead sloth who accepts being sick and fat with no problem.

              You are truly retarded beyond belief. Your IQ must be single-digit. There is simply no other explanation.

              Let me explain one more time for your pea-brain: I am sick. And because I am sick, I am fat. I have a sickness that robs me of any and all energy and makes me fat. A bunch of other conditions cropped up such as multiple cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, to name only these. After years and years of tests and examinations, doctors are still baffled. One thing came up, I am very thoroughly poisoned with aluminum, lead, cadmium, mercury and arsenic. BUT ACCORDING TO YOU THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

              What a fucking genius.

              [–]sylla94 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              The libertarian reveals his final form

              [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              That's a pretty big assumption that I would agree with all of libertarianism just because I say you shouldn't control eating.

              [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Sorry, I think my original comment was unclear. I do think some things should be illegal, just not that.

              [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Obesity is one of the major factors in people seeking health care in Western countries and its costs the tax payer 100's of billions of dollars. Only an insane person thinks a person's 'freedom' overrides that general concern or some libertarian ideologue. You must be one of those.

              [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Freedom does override it. Reduce military spending and end multiracialism and there would be more than enough money.

              [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Oh good just reduce military spending and end multiracialism. That should be easy. This is so typical of libertarians. You all do this. The second someone proposes a sensible and small scale solution to a problem which comes in conflict with these 'freedoms' you believe on that don't exist you immediately pivot away and propose absolutely mind bendingly large solutions that aren't even possible in the short term to even think about let alone the medium term. In other words all you ever want to do is suck your thumb and wait for your imaginary fairy kingdom to materialise and shout down any practical and possible solution.

              Said it before and I'll say it again: libertarians are way bigger pieces of shit than anti-fa.

              [–]Jacinda 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Part of the problem lies in the way we design our cities. For so many people a car is their only option. It's not as if there aren't solutions — Amsterdam and Copenhagen manage to get forty percent of their population cycling and a similarly large number walk.

              If anyone is interested, Not Just Bikes is a YouTube channel dedicated to documenting successful urban design:

              He has a video, What Makes Cities Great which points out design features conspicuously missing from our sprawling obesogenic metropolises which attempt to mimic post war US (the world's fattest nation) cities.

              The Reddit sub r/LowCar also has good ideas

              I would also like to see exercise equipment for adults in public parks. Something designed to do body weight workouts on. It doesn't have to be complex.

              [–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Bavarian here, something OP left out. Germany is ranked 39th for women and 42nd for men for cholesterol levels.