Keith Woods: "Are people still going to call Tucker a gatekeeper and a net negative now that he's calling out the great replacement on Fox?"

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What's your personal view on whether or not we should be promoting alt-lite figures who hit on some messages important to our cause even if their philosophy is ultimately weak and not pro-white?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Him, Charlie Kirk, and another GOP politician all came out with the exact same talking point at the same time. It's very clear the GOP is just doing the typical 'based in election season/out of power, the usual GOP when in power' strategy they've done forever.

The form of their rhetoric is irrelevant to how they govern, and worse yet if they appropriate our talking point how will we reach people? If the GOP is talking about white genocide then anyone who isn't already one of us will just go to the GOP and the more cucked people like Groypers, racist liberals and the like will just continue voting the GOP because they're stupid and think the GOP is actually based.

This can only be bad for us. Any concession/reform the mainstream makes that is a tiny bit closer to actual populism is terrible for a revolutionary movement because it takes the wind from our sails. The NJP guys are well aware of this but Keith, Morgoth, Laura Towler etc have somehow fell for an obvious gayop. If Farage and Tommy Robinson did this exact same thing they would rightly be saying it's a gayop and they're trying to steal dissident energy, this is what UKIP literally already did to the BNP. They're well aware of how this works, they just have a blindspot because of distance. I have noticed this a lot, people who are American have blindspots for fake and gay shit in Europe, and Europeans have blindspots for fake and gay shit in America. It is what it is.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Keith, Morgoth, Laura Towler etc have somehow fell for an obvious gayop.

I haven't been following them too closely. What's going on with the Hibernian/Albions? Definitely never would have thought Morgoth would succumb to that shit. When I can understand that bloody Geordie accent of his he's always on point.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I just follow them on telegram. They're saying the same kind of thing /u/Ethnocrat did, that it's just like good publicity for our ideas. I just think that's naive, we've seen gayop parties destroy countless nationalist orgs and movements in the past by simply co-opting part of the form of our message without any of the substance.

Morgoth's - He's just doing the publicity bit. As for how he is nowadays, he has kind of regressed into racist libertarian stuff since covid. The majority of his telegram is just talking about covid tyranny whatever shit.

Laura's - No idea what she's thinking here. By this logic it was a good thing UKIP came along and destroyed the 'special club' of the BNP and made their talking points more mainstream

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't think liberal conservatives are capable of co-opting this type of message. They can bring the issue to public attention, but their political platform doesn't provide them with any tools to act on it. What is more, leftist and left liberals will react to this development in a very predictable and divisive way.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What do you mean? All they have to do is say they're against demographic replacement of white people and people vote for them. What is stopping them doing this?

but their political platform doesn't provide them with any tools to act on it.

Of course, but it's never stopped the GOP lying about what it will do in the past.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's different when it comes to demographics. Conservatives have been very carefully avoiding any mention of demographics or demographic policy, because doing so would jeopardise the status of 90s style "race blind" neoliberalism. By opening up discussion of demographic issues, they are transforming the matter into a "legitimate", "mainstream" political concern. This will result in all sorts of interesting leftist reactions, given that the left absolutely cannot stomach that idea, but that's not the important part. The important part is that unlike with the immigration issue, even taking a rhetorical stance on demographics would have great effects in shifting the public discourse and the way people think about society, citizenship, community and the nation-state. I do not think the GOP can actually take a consistent stance on this matter, though - it just clashes too much with liberal Constitutionalism. I think they will just end up giving attention to the demographic issue tactically and will then have to try and withdraw from that conversation. In either case, I think that this will open more room for nationalist politics. Another thing that should be considered is that today, the demographic issue is the main roadblock for a lot of people, which keeps them tied to mainstream politics. If the taboos around the most controversial matter, demographics, are dismantled, then that will probably liberate a lot of people to reexamine all of their political opinions.

To give an example from British history, I think Enoch Powell might be a good example here. Even though he was an establishment conservative, he was basically excommunicated from high society because he brought up the demographics issue. By doing that, he threatened to open up space for legitimate political discussion of demographic policy and the nature of the nation, the nation-state etc. This is why the Conservative Party excluded him - they needed to safeguard the discourse and the liberal, "race blind" status quo.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"The Dems want to demographically replace heritage Americans white and black. We are the party of the multiracial working class"

This is the direction they're going in rhetorically and I don't see why it would have any contradictions with raceblind liberalism, if anything they're accusing the left of betraying this premise and they are the true upholders of it.

Another side note is that there is obviously black anxiety about demographic replacement also concerning hispanics, which is what has been feeding a lot of their chimpouts in recent years. They sense that they're losing some status due to the massive amounts of immigration just the same as white people are. Tariq Nasheed even tweeted pretty much exactly this the other day, it's something I've been noticing and thinking about for a couple years now.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think just mentioning the demographic issue is already a momentous change and in my opinion, it does not really matter what they may or may not intend with this. The results will be quite clear. American blacks vote something like 90% Democrat. Hispanics are similar. This type of rhetoric will almost exclusively affect white Republican voters. There is also the matter of how white Americans will pro-actively make their own interpretations of what this demographic rhetoric means for them. The important thing here is not the exact position the establishment conservatives are taking on this issue, but rather that they are talking about it, bringing it to the attention of their voters and legitimising it at all.

[–]lokke767 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Stealthily infiltrating mainstream discourse and institutions is literally the only path forward for us, it is how the left achieved almost absolute power and should be our main long-term goal. Tucker Carlson is the best thing that has happened to White America in decades, the fact that some of our people are actually complaining about it leaves me speechless, not to say disgusted.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tucker isn't what you think he is. ​He knows what the game is and knows his role - being a pressure release valve for white Americans but leading them away from the real shot so they make no progress. He is a self-professed zionist and controlled op like the rest of the neocon camp

https://odysee.com/@Blackpilled:b/2021-08-08-00-38-30-b-(2):6

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://twitter.com/SeekerRaiden/status/1441203241635614726

Lol, even charlie kirk is doing white replacement bit. Are conservative grifters getting orders from the Koch Brothers to throw these bones to the angry white proles or are they actually evolving?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Obviously fake.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's not doing a white replacement bit. He's doing a standard "Libtards are manipulating the vote with immigrants" bit. It's not based until you say who is sending these people and why they want them here. Tucker occasionally says some good things but he's a 2000's era liberal in his political views.

Most alt lite people should be treated with extreme skepticism. We need gateways to the alt right but most a clearly gatekeepers and not gateways.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What's your personal view on whether or not we should be promoting alt-lite figures who hit on some messages important to our cause even if their philosophy is ultimately weak and not pro-white?

He would get whacked if he publicly spoke the truth on TV instead of filtering himself.

Don't blame it on Tucker. Name another person on TV who can talk about white replacement daily without being fired?

It's also an IQ test for viewers. Tucker talks about what is happening at the borders, yet voting for Democrat or Republican reveals the same outcomes. Put the two and two together and people should learn the entire system is at fault and should try to change that instead.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't blame it on Tucker. Name another person on TV who can talk about white replacement daily without being fired?

Everyone who talks about it as if it's a good thing. Y'know, literally every tv show, film, news show etc that isn't 'right wing'. Now the 'right' gets to pretend to oppose it decades after it already happened to keep the Kayfabe up. Anyone falling for this needs to stop watching television, splash cold water on their face and snap themselves the fuck out of this trance.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone who talks about it as if it's a good thing. Y'know, literally every tv show, film, news show etc that isn't 'right wing'.

Those people aren't being compared to KKK/Nazis though. Which is how you get fired/blacklisted from any job. The people who support white replacement, don't have to live with that label.

Now the 'right' gets to pretend to oppose it decades after it already happened to keep the Kayfabe up.

That's not true. Mild Conservatives were on TV 20 years ago and the sheer thought of bringing up white identity in response to forced diversity/immigration would get you ran out of town. I posted the videos of Jared Taylor/Charles Murray/Rushton that proved that the damage was already done at that point, even when they tried to be really civil about it.

In fact, bringing up Rushton again, even after death, the witchhunt against him still continues. With modern day Academic Journals retracting his publications.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0033294120982774

Anyone falling for this needs to stop watching television, splash cold water on their face and snap themselves the fuck out of this trance.

Well I agree with the last part. I don't take any indoctrination from TV anymore and prefer to make inroads with real life people and address the problems head on.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't Keith himself repeatedly express skepticism about conservatives in the US?

In any case, we should definitely not be promoting the alt-lite. They have mainstream platforms, they can promote themselves. We should discuss serious matters that can serve as a lighthouse for future wayward souls.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Deservedly so

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Link to particular Tucker video?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Tucker Carlson

Charlie Kirk

Brian Babin

Even the journos are responding with prepackaged talking points. It's a very obvious gayop designed entirely to keep anyone who would possibly look for racialism on the GOP plantation forever.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're spot-on on their agenda here. That being said, it's still a metapolitical victory. We want our ideas to permeate society as much as possible. You're of course right about the GOP. Whites have no future with them.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aside from being GayOP, I think it's useless as well, it's just saying water is wet really, most people already know what's happening, only the most hardcore contards still play race-blindness and fairness card.

Most people are simply afraid to speak up because they'll lose jobs if they do so, not because they don't know about racial terror that is happening. We need alternative ways of sustaining ourselves.

One Arktos and one NJP are worth infinitely more than hundreds of Tuckers.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That being said, it's still a metapolitical victory.

I'm not so sure really. Analysts of the revolutionary nationalist movements have said that a strong center right stopped them rising, whereas countries with a weak center right had fascist revolutions.

I don't think it's a good thing if the center right fortifies itself by stealing wind from revolutionary sails. It's not as bad as say them making a serious concession on universal healthcare, forgiving credit card and payday debt or student debt etc which would take the boot off the neck of 10s of millions but it's still harmful to us. People think it's good that awareness is raised but these new people who are aware, where do they go? To the GOP. The lower IQ people who are already aware go to the GOP too, racist liberals and groypers I'm sure are super excited about how the GOP is based now.

We want our ideas to permeate society as much as possible.

This is true, but only when those ideas only have a vehicle in us. When there's an alternative vehicle they're all already familiar with they just jump in that paedo's van to see the puppies.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Analysts of the revolutionary nationalist movements have said that a strong center right stopped them rising, whereas countries with a weak center right had fascist revolutions.

This is an excellent point, but the center right at the time wasn't talking about fascist issues. They just presented themselves as a better force against communism. They never talked much about race, let alone Jews. Just look at my region, Flanders, today. We've had a very strong center right, and they haven't been able to stop the identitarian right, even when they slowly started to talk more and more about identitarian issues. Eventually people want the real deal.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

foxnews has highest ratings but that's not saying much when ratings are low for all the news shows. No one hardly watches foxnews anymore but if they do it is to watch Tucker but even he is losing viewers. He and his producers probably are careful to sprinkle a little bit of the truth people want to hear without going too far. They used to do that with O'Reilly but he eventually got honeypotted and forced out. Glenn Beck too.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Regardless of what these pundits are actually doing, I see some genuine believers (who are currently their followers) will come out of this situation and won't be stuck to mainstream conservative ideals. It's not going to be the majority of their viewers, and this doesn't signal a clear path to victory, but I don't mind what we are getting right now.