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[–]Bagarmoossen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Le Pen's niece, Marion Marechal Le Pen, who is herself the daughter of a Mossad agent

You can't just throw outrageous claims like this around without backing it up. It's such an obvious, ridiculous lie that it discredits the entire argument.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's so stupid.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What's more important is what he says. Does he oppose Israel? Is he talking about going against banking and finance capitalism, international finance? Is he pro-white or just anti-immigration?

If he's another one of these muh Islam is bad people and I'm a based jew who hates muslims then it's an obvious gayop. I don't speak French so I don't know what he's about but I would assume just on him being jewish alone that he's not a real nationalist because that would be against his interests.

Edit: Hard to find English stuff about him but it seems he is literally just a guy who talks shit about blacks and muslims committing crime, and there's a lot of pages that feature both his and Hazony's names together which screams gayop. I wouldn't trust him. Also: physiognomy check

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Your reading of Zemmour is superficial to say the least. He's practically rehabilitating Pétain. He often quotes fascist thinkers like Maurras and Schmitt. Not to mention the fact that he literally had diner with Ursula Painvin, the daughter of Joachim von Ribbentrop. Jean-Marie Le Pen - who's a great friend of Zemmour since the 1980s - organized the diner by the way. Read beyond the headlines of the press please.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Read beyond the headlines of the press please.

Send me stuff to read that shows he is an opponent of the Zionist empire and international finance. Soral reckons he's a Zionist and a tool of the oligarchy.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Soral is fine with all the Muslims in France. Why should I listen to him?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So there's nothing that proves Zemmour is legit then or?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What does that even mean? What do you want him to say? That Israel should be wiped off the map?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just send me whatever it is that you think makes him seem attractive to nationalists. You told me to read past a headline, show me what you like so I can do that lol.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This has been my first thought as well. I think one should be very careful about this guy at the very least. Also I think it need not be a conscious plot at all it also could be a reflection of a deeper flaw with right wing nationalists generally in the west namely that we make the perfect the enemy of the good. We have too short a time horizon, we're flighty, we're often way too eager to embrace risky but appealing long shots over lower yield but stabler investments like NR which admittedly has become a watered down party.

I said it the other day as well the real problems would start the day Zemmour got elected. He'd face the exact same problems Trump faced which were building a coalition of like minded people to enter vital institutions and impose his vision. Can anyone honestly say this celebrity intellectual could do that? NR aren't perfect but they've spent decades building up the infrastructure and base to do just that and right as they are coming close to victory this guy throws his hat in and now their vote is split.

I actually think it's a little tragic but the tragedy isn't a Jewish plot necessarily -- not ruling it out though -- it's the tragic side of us being reflected.

We need to be longer term thinkers and not get duped like this but we always do.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

NR wasn't close to victory. The regional elections were terrible.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Remind me how many elections has Zemmour won? I mean if this is your metric for judging NR let's apply it to this guy you seem weirdly attached to. What elections has he won? What party is behind him? Who are the people he's going to employ if he wins election? Where's the infrastructure?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You people need to keep your script straight. One day you say RN is a Zionist puppet and now they're legit? What's it going to be?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What do you mean 'you people'? Don't argue with straw men FFS and don't lump me in with some imaginary group you've created in your head. I think I've had mild criticism of the whole pivot towards Le pen being more presidential and centrist but I've never said out and out she's a 'Zionist puppet'.

Of course as well you didn't address any of the points I've made but fine don't bother. You're weirdly personly invested in supporting this guy and hostile to any scepticism or doubt for some reason. So be it.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

hostile to any scepticism or doubt for some reason.

No, I'm not. He's far from perfect. I just reject all the false claims that have been made.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From what ive seen so far this seems like one of the most painfully obvious jewish gayops ever. But only time will tell

I just hope these tactics and the people doing them are becoming more and more obvious to the general population

[–]block_socks 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think Zemmour is basically legitimate as a person. He's been in this for too long and isn't someone who has... cohenveniently cohenverted... to a position Rightward of RN to play some role. I don't know anything about 'Eric Striker' other than that he's routinely lambasted as a NazBol by the few content creators who I do follow and that he's involved with TRS.

Now, the question is whether Zemmour's sudden rise is actually genuine or whether he's just being used, e.g. blackmailed, or simply being egged on without realizing he's being played, in order to serve an agenda of some sort. That agenda would be obvious: Keep Macron in power or (admittedly much less likely) give someone even more disastrous like Melenchon a more serious shot where he otherwise wouldn't have had it. Without Zemmour, after all, the election result would be quite predictable: First round, Le Pen #1, Macron #2; second round, Macron #1, Le Pen #2. But maybe the political classes, bureaucracy, pro-EU types that support the Volt parties around Europe, etc. are just playing safe—from their point of view, Le Pen coming #1 in round two would be like restoring Vichy France. They're obviously wrong, but that's how they view it as Left or Left-leaning paranoiacs who suffer from what one might call extreme cases of 'conservaphobia' or 'nationalphobia', and who think Marx was well-intentioned and guiltless like Juncker and some other EU bigwigs do, and who see a massive asymmetry between Far-Left and Far-Right because of their Left-ish biases (e.g. the Far-Left is misguided, bad for business, etc. at most, but the Far-Right is downright analogous to a political Satanism).

I am also skeptical of Zemmour because he has no party behind him. So unless people can rally around him and institutionalize quickly after he is elected, it seems safer just to hope that the RN gets normalized instead. Otherwise, he might serve as a kind of Trump-style (remember the 'Trump slump') release valve who simply pacifies our French brothers and at the same time leads to further radicalization and unification of the Left. The French Left's biggest weakness is how many parties they have split into (PS, PCF, LFI, PDG, EELV, etc.). If they united tomorrow they would easily defeat Macron and anyone Rightward of himself. For example, if Hamon alone stood down in the last election, Melenchon would have faced Le Pen in round 2 and Macron would not have become President. In party politics one has to break into the top two or three parties and ensure they stay there, so getting RN to replace other 'Right' parties like LR seems the best macro-level option. Furthermore, consolidating a new party of the Right will be extremely difficult. For starters, literally everyone will assault this new party (Left - motivated by Zizek-style paranoia, a Zemmour party makes them fearful of a (non-existent) supposed Rightward shift; Right - motivated by self-interest, a Zemmour party could steal their voter bases).

I expect Zemmour to fade away back into his usual activities after the election—in which case I will feel particularly vindicated in my assumptions about the man. However, if he does well it may also remind RN that the seemingly commonsense logic that the 'Centre' is electorally the best position to stand in is in fact erroneous and leads only to losing more Rightward voters than it picks up Leftward voters. There may only be a few 'satisfactory' choices in round one (Le Pen, perhaps Zemmour, Dupont-Aignan, the Christian Democrat Party was oddly perhaps best on social issues, but worse than the other three on matters of borders/immigration, and we have to prioritize the latter over the former because we have a time limit to solve it). Either way, only Le Pen or Zemmour might make it to round two. Macron is throwing a few bones to the Right before election time, but is obviously garbage. Bertrand and Melenchon are both garbage. Some Leftists are calling for all Left candidates to stand down bar one (which may win them the Presidency), but they are probably too divided to pull that off. At the very least PS (candidate currently undecided) and PFI (definitely Melenchon) will put up separate candidates. However, I would like Macron to come third to a Leftist because Le Pen or Zemmour could easier beat Melenchon.

We should also be under no illusions about Zemmour's popularity. Indeed, there is Harris-Interactive as cited somewhere by Ethnocrat: Macron 55%, Zemmour 45%. But there is also Elabe: Macron 63%, Zemmour 37%. But Harris-Interactive has Macron 53%, Le Pen 47%; Elabe has Macron 60%, Le Pen 40%. The takeaway from both is that Le Pen has a marginally better chance (+2% Harris-Interactive, +3% Elabe) of beating Macron than Zemmour.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great post.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the write up. Couldn’t agree more.

I really hope French nationalism isn’t permanently screwed up from a split like this. RN’s not perfect but like you say, they have built institutions that can actually run the country, which some celebrity Trump-like candidate coming out of nowhere simply can’t.

RN’s also increased their share of the vote in basically every Presidential election for the last 20 years. In 2017 they got 33%, right now they’re polling 40-45%. Maybe in 2027 they’ll break the 50% mark? Certainly not if Zemmour splits the vote now. I can’t see why s/Ethnocrat and others would act so skittish over one poor showing in one regional election.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

this was a high quality thing he said:

On 11 September 2021, Zemmour stated about the 2012 Toulouse and Montauban shootings: "The family of Mohammed Merah asked to bury him on the land of his ancestors in Algeria. It was also known that the Jewish children murdered in front of the denominational school in Toulouse would be buried in Israel. Anthropologists have taught us that we are from the country where we are buried. Assassins or innocents, executioners or victims, enemies or friends, they wanted to live in France, (...) but when it comes to leaving their bones, they especially did not choose France, foreigners above all". This caused controversy among Jewish communities in France.[116]

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Striker will just ignore this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

who?

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Eric Striker. Owner of national-justice.com and co-host of Strike & Mike.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ok i was confused thinking there was saidit user named striker, I will chec kthat out

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't buy any of this for a second. It's just conspiratorial autism. Zemmour has been saying the same thing for decades.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not familiar with French politics but I recall reading how Macron "came out of nowhere" to win.

Reading Macron's wiki, it kind of seems like that could be true but nothing definitive. Seems he got overtly involved in government in 2012 and then became president in 2017. That does seem like an out of nowhere situation, especially considering he wasn't yet 40 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron

So if Macron was "out of nowhere" i.e. an establishment candidate, then it stands to reason that Zemmours meteoric rise is just as, if not more, suspect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Zemmour

Either way, in France it seems like you have to get the nod from Jews if you want to get elected. Any tempering of naming the guilty parties will just delay and worsen the decline instead of leading to a corrective path.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a lot like obama

they're all likely CIA

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Zemmour was already a very popular media personality. His meteoric rise isn't suspect at all.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Youssef Hindi

Lol! Literally an Islamist.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

'lol a jew' is the same level of response to you by your own logic.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I said Islamist, not Muslim. And this Hindi guy is a retard.