DR + Feminism

submitted by DragonerneJesus is white from self.debatealtright

DR is best described as pro-white.
Whites consist of 2 genders. Men and women.

Being edgy is fun, but provides no real value, especially if the direct consequence of these jokes is making the DR spaces uninhabitable for half the population of whites.

Whites don't need based blacks. We don't need trad asian girl friends. We don't need the approval of jews nor do we need to appeal to antiwhite progressives.

The only demographic that we do need is whites; men and women alike.

A lot of DR causes are directly feminist in nature; the protection of women. Making sure that the fruits of the labor of WHITE MEN only go to white women, and not to non-white men and women. This includes the privileges granted by being around white men and by living in a society created and maintained by white men. White men are naturally alpha and compassionate father figures.
We're against the rape of white women. Literally thousands every year by blacks, muslims etc. We're against muslims with a backwards and degenerate religion. An obvious feminist cause.

Being explicitedly pro-white and unapologetic about it will also make it easy to bring forward a strong case against MAGA republicans, leftists and "paleoconservatives" like Nick Fuentes (who is barely white himself).

How? By pointing out the damage they do towards Whites. Both men and women. For how long do Whites have to endure these injustices that we're living under currently? We need DR content about improving lives, safety net for canceled whites, improving White families, improving your community, improving your mental fitness, your physical fitness and we need content for young aspiring boys and girls that will lead them to good outcomes in life. We don't need "no woman voting" and other degenerate anti white women content. We don't need muh based cute Asian women content. We need pro white messages.

If you're 16? Start getting fit, eating healthy, lots of water, chicken, broccoli, start running, etc. No junk food, it is beneath you. Have a girl friend? Want to get married? Buy a house? First kid? Let's start donating to such causes. We have millions in our ranks. A single dollar to help out fellow /ourguys/ start a family is definitely worth it. Even if we're "subverted" into supporting leftist white couples it wont be the downfall of our movement. They will still produce white kids and some of those leftists might reconsider their hate towards us when they find a helping and welcoming community.

I'd write more but I'm interested in your thoughts.

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[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'll be the one to state the obvious.

Because our movement is well outside the mainstream, the type of person most easily recruited is the outsider. Incel gamerbros are high on that list. So it's no surprise that we have lots of manosphere partisans in our ranks, especially considering that there really are legitimate issues relating to women that the mainstream simply will not touch.

On the other hand, because our movement is about all future white people, it is necessarily concerned with white reproduction and therefore with relations between the white sexes. We want and need white women on board. So our movement must contain an alliance, however uneasy, between manosphere partisans and non-retarded white women. The common ground should be the incontrovertible:

  1. Each white generation should be of higher quality than the last. This means that higher-quality people should have more offspring per capita than lower-quality people.

  2. White people should be happy. Part of this is high-quality people being happy having many high-quality children.

It doesn't much matter how these get done as long as they do get done. Modern feminism does not do either so there is an opportunity for a DR "feminism". It seems to me, though, that the people trying to devise a DR-feminism are the usual male crowd. I am unaware of any women who are articulating means by which #1 and #2 can be achieved (am I just out of the loop?). The result is that the manosphere types have the megaphone and this results in zero forward progress.

However I doubt that many women are going to pipe up on the internet to say "here is what you must do to get us to happily have kids". Even the Level 1 Manospherians know that the game does not work that way. The relevant conversations will probably take place one-on-one, offline, between women and men whom they trust.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am unaware of any women who are articulating means by which #1 and #2 can be achieved (am I just out of the loop?)

Yes, you are out of the loop.

However I doubt that many women are going to pipe up on the internet to say "here is what you must do to get us to happily have kids". Even the Level 1 Manospherians know that the game does not work that way.

Yeah that's what I thought too. It's a huge sphere and hopefully growing.

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, you are out of the loop.

Name them, please.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I once worked for a company where all the leadership was women, and while the overall atmosphere was nicer, women will always group up against you and they fiercely resist all criticism. The latter is specifically bad, because it lead to a lot of inefficiency and neglect, that should have been easily corrected.

This doesn't mean I hate the female gender, but I definitely understand why Men in the past took extreme caution towards promoting them or giving them rights. Civilization has always been lead by males, and that requires a certain trait that Women just don't biologically possess.

When I did return to workplaces ran by Men, you could instantly tell there was much more productivity going on, but admittedly, Men are much more harsher towards each other.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I once worked for a company where all the leadership was women, and while the overall atmosphere was nicer, women will always group up against you and they fiercely resist all criticism.

It's that particular flavor of bitch. Working in an office is absolutely miserable when women like that work there. Gossipy, backstabby, and just lying in wait to pin their fuck ups on someone else. That said, many men I've worked with in an office had similarly nasty traits. Very self serving, conniving. It's not everyone, but office social environments are generally rampant with the most flawed human behaviors.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Feminism is cringe for the same reasons MRA is cringe. Men and women have distinct roles and places within society, and although there's plenty of overlap in some places, there is far more that exists outside of this gray area than exists inside of it. Women and men should not be treated equally for the same reasons different races should not be treated equally. It is, somewhat ironically juxtaposed against the common propagandized definition/ideas of fairness, unfair to treat people the same when they are inherently biologically different.

That being said, however...

Anti-woman sentiment is retarded, childish, and borderline (if not explicitly) homosexual, for the same reasons again that anti-male sentiments are. Any distinctions on gender, just like those based on intelligence, race, etc. should be purely pragmatic/traditional. If there is no valid traditional, scientific, or logical reason for a distinction to be made, that distinction most likely is unnecessary.

To use your voting example, I would have only a few issues with women voting, in a system where voting is allowed, as long as they can pass the same intelligence and political aptitude tests/qualifications that a man would. There are definitely things a woman should not be doing and vice versa, however; for example, women should not be allowed in the military. There are innumerable reasons that allowing such would be harmful and unnecessary (which I can expand upon, if some of those reasons aren't obvious). Similarly, men should not be employed in effeminate industries or forms of employment where they are equally out-of-place and/or unnecessary.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

With what I mean with Feminism, it just needs to be pro women. It doesn't have to comform to the neoliberal or socialist definition of egalitarianism.
It makes complete sense to have the DR be sex realists too and acknowledge gender differences, which inform our views as long as it is pro white, meaning pro men and pro women.

What you're writing in the 2nd half of your post could be good starting points for this. Example: "for example, women should not be allowed in the military" This can easily be seen as a pro women view.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I fully agree. Incels and femcels are annoying and dysgenic.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

femcels don't exist

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes they do, lmao. One or two have been or were nearly mass murderers, if memory serves.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Which were femcels?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

zero chance of that. they might have wanted chad only but that would be by choice.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thought about some of the posts you've made too /u/BiglyBased (if you have time at some point to give a few lines, I'd appreciate it)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just as many modern men need to rediscover their masculinity, many women need to rediscover their femininity as well.

Second and third wave feminism have been a total disaster both for women themselves and for society at large.

Like, how can you blame anyone for looking at you like a sex object when you're actively trying to make yourself to be sex object and reject all the feminine qualities of yours?

Just like socialism, it has been completely subverted to serve the capital, and it is complete inversion of the ideals of the original movements.

That being said, I'm all for addressing legitimate issues women face today, they have terrible working conditions where it's impossible to actualize their basic biological needs, let alone to fully self-actualize, and their basic concerns for safety are being ignored.

In a weird sense, I am all for women rights, but it's also important to recognize modern feminism as racial poison.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

what is DR, dominican republic?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dissident right.

[–]indeegenes 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I remember my "feminist" (really just pro-woman) dissident right phase, you will get over it as you get more exposure to women and women's behaviour, especially white women who will not as much race-mix contrary to popular belief; as much as trash white men and appeal to all nonwhite oppression narratives and are often slavishly anti-male - although only radfems will outright critique the behavior of black/brown males, but they are problematic for other reasons.

Anti-women and anti white women sentiment does not exist in a vacuum.

We also don't "need" women in the movement, no political movement that was successful did not have a male majority, a lot of the time when women are in the movement its an issue because simps obsess over them. It's unlikely a majority of white women will adopt and unapologetic pro-white attitude, many voting for Trump does not indicate this as Trump is a mild ziocon and its skewed by older and married women who are also more likely to vote.

Jesus was not white, he was a brown jew, half-white at most if you believe the jewish narrative, stop worshipping him.

I agree on one point, I don't see the appeal of asian women, its cringe when these retards like Anglin and his followers and others lust over them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What does DR stand for?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dissident Right.