Why is Japan the only non-white nation who got their act together?

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

Liberals love to accuse anyone who is right of centre, or supports white nationalism as being "scary racists", yet ask even the most hardcore fascist and they will tell you that they have no problems with the Japanese.

But what is it about Japan that, compared to other non-whites, they actually choose to stay put on their island, and transformed it into an actual futuristic utopia?

And before you say "High IQ", look at China. They're technically just as smart, yet Chinese people still flood White countries by the millions and given enough time, they too turn into shitlibs and support White genocide.

But the Japanese have been nuked twice yet nothing about their culture resembles third world savagery. They could have been like Blacks or Jews and demand billions in "nuclear reparations" from the USA every year but they don't even cry about the bombings. They just shrugged it off and continue to live life like nothing happened.

Meanwhile, Black Americans are given golden statues and affirmative action, yet their neighborhoods look worse than Chernobyl.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

    I have to disagree. Japanese society, with its low birth rates,

    Japan has 12.5x the population of Belgium, yet has similar density. If the Japanese bred like rabbits tomorrow, where would they put these people?

    A lower population would even be good for Japan, since the supply of houses would be greater than the demand. Compare the inverse that exists in Western countries (high demand for real estate, but a lower supply).

    weird media (hentai, etc.)

    Dumb criticism. Hentai doesn't kill anyone or make them invade other countries. I would argue other mainstream media or beliefs like religion are far more harmful.

    and its extreme urbanization hardly looks like a utopia to me.

    Again, it's the trade off between massive population vs tiny island with no room.

    In fact, it looks more like a dystopia.

    Very rich, good healthcare, low unemployment, powerful education system, highest lifespan of any 1st world country, home to iconic companies (i.e Nintendo, Honda, Sony), low crime. I could name more, but calling that a dystopia when the country attracts attention from refugees and other immigrants is bizarre. No one would move from Syria to Japan if they thought it was worse, would they?

    that Singapore, (South) Korea, etc. also got their act together.

    Singapore is actually made up of Chinese & Indians. It's not a surprise that as a small city-state, it works. But we both know India & China can't replicate the same success at a continental level.

    As for Korea, I guess I can include them. By no means, they're not a failure. I guess Japan just registers higher in terms of mindshare.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      Thanks for the detailed reply. I have to agree, Japan is overpopulated. So let us change "low birthrates" to "even lower birth rates in elite circles" (elite here means something like high IQ). I know, this problem exists in nearly all nations, but it still is a problem. So what I want to say is, the main problem are not the birth rates in general, but more so that especially those Japanese, that should reproduce, do have even less sex. A decline in the general population might be good, but not if this is happening disproportionately in elite circles.

      You said it yourself. Low birthrates are not exclusive to Japan. It's indeed a worldwide phenomenon.

      But in context, it's hard to argue why it's bad when there are no real world examples of a nation going extinct from "lack of sex". So far, we actually have to see Japan collapsing, which as of 2021, is still in good condition.

      Are you seriously calling my criticism dumb, while claiming, that religion in a western sense is more harmful than Hentai? I mean, don't we both agree, that Hentai might have negative effects regarding your mental wellbeing or at the very least is a waste of time?

      Religion corrupts it's followers into killing themselves (Jim Jones), killing others (9/11), makes them ignorant of science (Creationism), act like perverts around children and covers it up (Jehovahs witnesses), and all sorts of other batshit insane stuff because they take an ancient book written by desert Jews to be the unabashedly word of god.

      If the worst crime my neighbor wants to do is watch cartoons in his basement, I'll definitely take that, as opposed to him showing up to my house with a bomb strapped to his chest saying god told him to kill me.

      Edit: I also never heard in my life that every Japanese person watches porn. Maybe some of them do and there are cases of real life shut ins, but it's clearly not enough to disrupt everyday life, since Japanese schools are still active. And so is healthcare, the government, the army and so forth...

      Sure, but I am not from Syria. Maybe I am more interested in other things like a healthy culture, nature, families, etc.?

      And those refugees are moving to Japan specifically for those things. Although the idea that Japan can't raise healthy families is a weird claim. Is there a divorce epidemic? Are Japanese children being raised by single moms like we see with Blacks in America? If anything, I can name examples where Japanese bloodlines go a long way and still exists. Like the emperor for example...

      I have not claimed this.

      Well I have, and both Indians & Chinese don't even want to live in their own countries. Hence why they either move to Singapore or the West.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

        Nations always change due to a bunch of factors like migration, intermarriage, etc. If none of these existed, the Vatican would have died out long ago.

        Japan clearly has stricter borders than the West, so migration is not a threat. Intermarriage is the same thing. You can't do a lot of race mixing, without either leaving the country, or importing foreigners.

        All that leaves is the "lack of sex" scenario. But as I pointed out, it's all hysteria when we have no examples of a nation that did go extinct through this.

        I purposefully said "in a western sense", so that you would not come up with lunatics.

        Besides 9/11, those examples are western.

        Jim Jones was American born, and recruited most of his cult members in the U.S before moving to Guyana and killing themselves. Jehovahs Witnesses have been caught lying to the Australian government about their pedo members. The Scopes Monkey Trial was a U.S court case involving Christians trying to ban evolution in schools.

        And those are just the "mild" examples of religion negatively impacting the West. Dig back further in history and there are much more fucked up cases, like how Mormonism was created.

        Edit: By the way, I wanted to mention in my last post that the only terror attack on Japanese soil in recent history was religious based. In 1995, a cult had released poison gas in the Tokyo subway system and ended up killing 13 people, while injuring thousands. The cult was swiftly arrested, with the leader sentenced to death. I have not heard or seen any other national story of any Japanese porn addicts causing the same level of damage to his fellow citizens.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

        Sure, not everyone watches porn, let alone Hentai. Furthermore, I agree with you. Most guys watching this are probably going to school or work regularly. Still, they waste tons of hours per year with this. The possible psychological damage is a further problem. Quite a few studies see negative effects of porn and I would be highly surprised, if it was different with Hentai.

        Then I don't think it's fair to turn porn into a Japanese issue, or something exclusive to their society. A quick google search shows that America is practically responsible for 60% of all online consumption, whereas Japan is a tiny blip or 0.27%.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2397058/Internet-porn-map-world-reveals-US-Holland-Britain-largest-providers-world.html

        35% (according to Wikipedia) cleanly is an epidemic.

        Look at per capita numbers. It's 1.8 divorces per 1000 for Japan, and 3.2 divorces per 1000 for USA.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/09/japan-is-no-place-for-single-mothers/538743/

        They could always do better, but they're not the worst at it either.

        Are Japanese women black? Do they have a similar IQ to the average black American woman? The same cultural background? The same neighbors? I could go on, but you know what I mean.

        So you admit the family structure in Japan is healthy? If most children are being raised by both parents, what else could that imply about their society?

        This is nothing unique to Japan.

        They didn't invent the Monarch system, but it's still impressive that they maintain it. It means they can trace their history all the way to the present, while still practicing cultural norms related to preserving blood lines.

        Once again, you are making a claim, that I did not make.

        Well you sure implied it with this comment: "Maybe I am more interested in other things like a healthy culture, nature, families, etc.?"

        Otherwise, why bring it up in relation to quality of life in Japan?

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        it's funny you guys are wondering why japanese men have a lack of sex and watch porn. Take the black pill to find out.

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          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

          Well, Japan has loosened the immigration rules a lot in the last few years.

          Define "loosened"?

          Most immigrants are from China, followed by Vietnam & Korea. They only appear to approve 99,000 permanent long term residents a year. The rest are temporary or seasonal workers. Asylum seekers are far smaller. Only 10,000 a year, which was actually a 50% decrease from the previous year.

          https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/e025d47d-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/e025d47d-en

          Racially speaking, importing other East Asians does not dilute their gene pool. So I don't expect the Japanese phenotype to actually disappear.

          The Vatican is an example, where the population only exists due to migration.

          See the above.

          Still lunatics and not what you commonly understand as a religious man in the west.

          When they make national news, it's absolutely a fault of the West for tolerating religion. Just like how every Black person is not George Floyd, yet it still took only one of them to reach headlines and cause social destruction for 6+ months.

          All of this proves my point. Why did we not see George Floyd riots in Japan? Or other religious sponsored tragedies? Japanese culture does its best to avoid them. Whereas the West doesn't and it clearly pays the price for it.

          It is by no means exclusive to Japan, still a factor, that weakens the case for Japan being some kind of utopia.

          What makes it a factor? Japan makes a lot of cartoons, so naturally there will be smut artists to go with it. But the majority of all anime, made year after year, is not pornographic.

          https://myanimelist.net/anime/season

          Not the worst, but still bad.

          True, but it requires nuance.

          Jamaica & Mexico have a lower divorce rate than Japan per capita, but they're also one of the most homicidal nations on Earth. Would you really want to risk getting married when it could be your last?

          https://www.statista.com/statistics/1226451/lowest-divorce-rate-worldwide-by-country/

          I never denied, that Japanese people are behaving according to their IQ, culture, etc. Once again, the question is not, whether there is some society, that is worse. The question is, whether Japan is some kind of utopia. And once again, no, such a high divorce rate as well as the low fertility rate hardly imply healthy family life.

          It has a functioning government, super safe society, 3rd largest economy in the world. On top of already being rated low for divorces, it's as close to a utopia that takes into account every aspect of life.

          Again, see the Jamaica example. It does certain things better, but other things far far worse. Yet why is Jamaica still called third world? Because the world has higher standards that weighs EVERYTHING.

          Come on. There is a huge difference between "Maybe I am more interested in other things like a healthy culture, nature, families, etc.?" and "the idea that Japan can't raise healthy families is a weird claim". One of these statements says, that Japanese society in general today does not resemble, what I consider healthy families (see divorce rates, etc.), while the other says, that there is no healthy family in Japan at all.

          Then you need to respond with a country that consistently (read that word carefully) scores high in nearly all benchmarks. I call Japan a utopia because the quality of life is above average in ways that most nations dream they could hold as many titles as them. Or it's still a country I would consider to be the model to copy to reaching a utopia.

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            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            It is easier to immigrate now, then it was in the pre-Abe era.

            Well Abe is no longer Prime Minister, so any present or future leader could try an undo his "changes".

            I should mention however, I'm not an absolutist. Immigration can still be acceptable, when it's done in controlled amounts. America was still an ethnostate when it allowed certain Africans & Asians to settle in the beginning. The mistake was scrapping all border laws that made it impossible to send them back.

            Japan is not in that situation. If tomorrow they voted to ban all foreigners or tell the Chinese to go back, they have the demographics to support it.

            Only 99,000? Only?

            See above.

            Racially speaking, it will not. Ethnically speaking, it will.

            It's not a point worth losing minds over because they are virtually indistinguishable compared to other groups.

            It would be like if Britain decided to take on only French or Polish immigrants. European blood in a European genepool gets assimilated quite easily. You would need a DNA test to actually start telling these people apart, in which case, the point has been made.

            Ok, but why do you not hold porn to the same standard? A lot of terrorists in the West have been porn-addicted incels.

            Religion takes all the problems associated with porn, and multiples it by a 100. For example, there's already plenty of sex crimes that revolve around the church. Or cults like David Koresh that supported 1 man taking on several wives, with claims that he even abused his kids.

            Now, how exactly are we suppose to reason with these people who claim they're just following the word of god? They'll just claim they're being persecuted or oppressed while still being allowed to harm others.

            The porn addicts, at least have a real point of reference to work from. Like some may just be terrible at actually dating Women or lack social skills. Those things can be remedied or dealt with realistically. But people who believe circumcising their newborn baby penis is the will of god? They cannot be reasoned with...

            Did I claim the majority is pornographic? No. Even though I want to add, that from the few animes, that I have ever seen, I was disgusted by the sexualization of little girls in some of them.

            This may surprise you but Japanese people are just as equally divided on anime. You'll find some of the most popular or talented anime artists refuse to even put that stuff in their art. If you actually want to know what Japanese products sell, then stuff like Super Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear Solid, One Piece, those types of cartoons have sold millions while being very sexually mild or having no sex at all. The actual "porn" stuff is far more niche, and appeals to an even smaller subset of anime fans.

            Sure, the term utopia takes all factors into account. Still, this is what I am saying the whole time. Namely, that Japan is far from perfect in some regards.

            The pickings for a utopia are rather slim these days. If I could build a time machine and go back to the 1950s, then perhaps Japan might have lagged compared to several Western countries at the time. But it's not the 1950s anymore, so that comparison is no good....

            Give me your list of benchmarks. According to some index like the HDI, Japan is clearly below quite a few other countries.

            Challenge accepted.

            Crime rate? 4th best (as in safest) in the world.

            https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Crime-levels#-#

            Life expectancy? 2nd best in the world.

            https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

            Military? 5th most powerful (and keep in mind that Japan is handicapped because of the U.S backed constitution)

            https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php

            3rd richest country in the world.

            https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

            6th best country at Math/Science/Reading Tests

            https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-mathematics-science-reading/

            Covid death rate: 40th country

            Which might not sound like much, but it means Japan did handle the pandemic better than several Western countries

            https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

            Japan is in the top 10 for fastest average (not median) internet speeds

            https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php

            Japan is consistently in the top 10 for most livable cities

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_livable_cities

            If I had more time, I bet I could find 10 more sources. But I think this is enough references to debunk that Japan is a dystopia.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            A lot of terrorists in the West have been porn-addicted incels.

            fake news

            [–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

            Japanese are non-white? What color are they? Given equal amounts of sun, Caucasian are swarthy but Japanese are pearl white.

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Japanese are non-white? What color are they?

            I never heard anyone refer to Japanese as being White. Historically, it's always been "yellow", although funny enough, they tend be swarthy too.

            Especially the indigenous Japanese or Ainu.

            https://files.catbox.moe/hts6yu.png

            [–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            Japanese can go on a ski weekend and come back with a suntan. It's the melanin of course. The swarthy look comes from sun and weathering. Ainu aren't Japanese. Compare the words Ainu and Inuit then look at a map showing the Aleutian Islands. I won't belabor the point but neither of us knows why they were called yellow. Cheers and I hope no harm done.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            can't just look at skin color, white also means caucasian features, like rounder eyes.

            [–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            I did not say Jpn were Caucasian since that is patently untrue. I was simply asking about their skin color that is ultra white (when sun exposure is controlled for) generally and certainly not Yellow.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Looks light brown to me, in any event, it's like how white people aren't actually the color white, more like a tan, pinkish hue. But these colors get used to describe people as shorthand so we know who we're talking about.

            [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            South Korea, Malaysia, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Singapore says hi

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I disagree with the Arab countries. First because Islam sucks, especially with the Saudis promoting Wahhabism and giving birth to Bin Laden. They're basically richer versions of Africans who will chimp out on you if you make fun of their prophet.

            Also, these nations feel like ticking time bombs when the oil runs out. It's not like they give the world anything else of great relevance like cars or computers.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

            After WWII when the US had nuked japan and they surrendered, Japan was allowed to keep it's empoeror. It'd be like if Hitler had been left in charge of Germany. And I suspect he would have if only the USA had invaded Germany and not Russia. The Red Army was pissed off so they would have killed Hitler for sure if he didn't kill himself, or escape, whatever happened. Either way he was no longer in charge of Germany. Years later USA still occupies Japan and is in charge. So why doesn't USA push woke shit on Japan, force them to allow in black immigrants and make them support trannies? Some japanese elites might have blackmail material on them dating back to the war. Maybe showing the nukes were phony, just firebombing.

            [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            It'd be like if Hitler had been left in charge of Germany. And I suspect he would have if only the USA had invaded Germany and not Russia.

            No way

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            The Germans preferred surrendering to the U.S, then they did to Soviets.

            I think at worst, Hitler might have been imprisoned. But if there was a timeline where the Western allies had gotten to Berlin first, then I think it's completely feasible they might have let one Nazi leader survive in exchange for continuing the war against the Communists.

            Like look at Karl Donitz. He was Hitler's direct successor but was later released from prison and allowed to live a normal life.

            [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Like look at Karl Donitz. He was Hitler's direct successor but was later released from prison and allowed to live a normal life.

            Your ignoring all the other Nazis they tried and executed after the war.

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            It was a Kangaroo Court. They didn't touch people they thought were useful to them after the war.

            For example, none of the Unit 731 Scientists were charged and were even granted immunity under the Americans. Only the Soviets wanted to punish them.

            Similarly, there was Operation Paperclip that saved many Nazis from falling into Communist hands.

            [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Using German scientists is completely different than allowing Hitler to live let alone "rule" Germany. I remember reading a Dailymail article from 1945 about Hitler's death and he was already being referred to as on of the the most evil man in history. Hitler would have been executed or life jail sentence. He would never accept being a puppet state to America either even if he had the option.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            they took out low hanging fruit. They brought top guys over in operation paper clip. Not just scientists as has been said. Catholic church helped protect nazis and bring them to safety. Operation Gladio which basically ran europe after the war had many nazis working for it.

            [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            Paper clip isn't "top guys", it was scientists. Obviously they would prefer to use them. Top guys are people like Goring who were sentenced to death, Himmler would have been too. If Goring gets a death sentence how could they rationalize not the same for Hitler? Hitler would have been executed or got a life sentence.

            [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Japan was already an industrialized society when it got nuked. In addition, the Allies had reason to get Japan into the fold as a bulwark against Communism in the East. Japan has been cucked by the US since it surrendered, and I don't get why people want about Japan so much in these circles, but they're still hardworking people.